Superman Returns Umm.....Superman should've died from his fall....

[X Knight]

hey all,

I never really thought about this until now........

but, shouldn't Superman have died immediately from his fall back to Earth, after hurling New Krypton into space??????

I know that ppl have complained about how Superman shouldn't have been able to even lift NK, given that NK was infused with Kryptonite, AND Superman still had a Kryptonite shard lodged in his back.......

Now, if being exposed to Kryptonite makes Supes vulnerable to punches and kicks from Lex and co............wouldn't that mean Supes was POWERLESS when he fell back to earth????

IOW, without his super invulnerability, he should've been KILLED on impact!!

Remember, he still had that Kryptonite stuck into his body, so, technically, Kryptonite should still be sapping his powers.....

Has anybody noticed this????

Is this just another glaring inconsistency in regards to Kryptonite's effect on Supes?

 

[Action ACE]

It's pretty simple. But I know where you are coming from. Your argument isn't without merit. However, I think most people, as well as myself, will agree that his "recharge" helped him lift NK. And, when he fell back to earth, he was a) either still somewhat recharged or b) exposed to the sun being in outerspace. The sun can clearly be seen in that shot if you look. At any rate, I think it all relates back to his being recharged. Who knows. I just know that scene kicked ass.

To add, one could argue why didn't they just stick Supes in a tanning bed instead of a hospital bed.

 

[X Knight]

ahh.....the power of the sun..........in the palm of my hand.........

I suppose the recharge could explain it somewhat. But, I think it's still bad writing or careless oversight.

Now, if the Kryptonite shard had been COMPLETELY removed, then the scene would make more sense.......In that, as Supes fell away from NK ( and the Kryptonite ), his powers were starting to return. That, coupled with continued general exposure to the Sun would enable Supes to survive the fall....

either that....or Supes had a heck of a lot of padding in his suit......lol

the scene did kick ass though.......ONE OF THE BEST IN THE MOVIE.......even though I DISLIKED pretty much the rest of SR.......

 

[DorkyFresh]

considering the piece of kryptonite that was stuck inside of him was this small...

...it's not that hard to imagine Superman could recover from that. besides...it's just a movie, it's not actual science. we don't know exactly how much kryptonite it takes in order to kill him nor how fast because it's a fictional element from a fictional planet dealing with a fictional alien.

 

[dude stannis]

He still had powers, so it was 50-50 on whether he'd live or die. Being a Hollywood movie of course he'd live. Besides the Kryptonite on NKI was diluted and the sun gave him a missive recharge.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I agree that it was one of the best scenes in the movie. So much impact. And he did die, well sort of. Only if you wanna get into the whole Christ aspect. The movie states he was in a coma though.

 

[bunk]

considering the piece of kryptonite that was stuck inside of him was this small...

...it's not that hard to imagine Superman could recover from that. besides...it's just a movie, it's not actual science. we don't know exactly how much kryptonite it takes in order to kill him nor how fast because it's a fictional element from a fictional planet dealing with a fictional alien.

It's hard to say how much of any Kryptonite really affects him. When he had the whole shank in his side he was still writhing around underwater without power from the sun.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well Superman did still have his powers at this point, this is shown in the hospital when the needle wont pierce his skin. I think the re-charge played a big part, but also, when Superman fell back to Earth, he was exposed to some sunlight on the way back down, and it did say on the T.V at the end that Superman was critical. Not to mention the piece of Kryptonite was miniscule

It is a fantastic scene though, and so awesome to watch, i just sit there in complete silence watching it.

 

[Halcohol]

He's Superman.

Superman.

No matter what happens to him, he'll be aight. Even if he dies.

That's my scientific analysis.

 

[Fried Gold]

LOL, I love it when someone points out what should've happened in a fictional work based on a comic book story regarding an alien.

 

[November Rain]

it could have been written either or anyway...

there is no control of how the affects of kryptonite are with supes...

in some instances he loses the ability to even move, let alone use his powers

and in others he can throw city sized objects into space...

meh...

 

[bsquad]

Superman did die in the film (although it was brief). In the hospital the scene fades out as you hear the machines monitoring his heart flatline. There was damage and he did die, its just that them getting the kryptonite out of him and him being back on earth saved his life. And even then when he came back to life he was in a coma

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^True, looked like it took him a few days to recover also.

 

[The Guard]

You know, he DID go into a coma...

 

[Lighthouse]

You know, he DID go into a coma...

More like a long nap.

 

[bunk]

Did anyone notice whether he got a new suit or not? I wouldn't want a hole in my suit.

 

[Showtime]

Did anyone notice whether he got a new suit or not? I wouldn't want a hole in my suit.

It regenerated, it's Kryptonian Technology.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

LOL, I love it when someone points out what should've happened in a fictional work based on a comic book story regarding an alien.

Good point.

 

[not_a_victim]

It's pretty clear before he leaves the plane that Supes doesn't expect to live, or that he knows there is a pretty good chance he will die.
Secondly, the kryptonite shard in his body obviously didn't affect him a great deal, as he was able to fly out of the plane.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It's pretty clear before he leaves the plane that Supes doesn't expect to live, or that he knows there is a pretty good chance he will die.
Secondly, the kryptonite shard in his body obviously didn't affect him a great deal, as he was able to fly out of the plane.

Exactly, thats why he said bye to Lois, because he thought he would be leaving her again and not coming back this time.

 

[bsquad]

You know, he DID go into a coma...

and he did flatline before that

 

[not_a_victim]

I haven't listened to the commentaries yet, but does Singer explain how Supes was able to life NK into orbit when it was filled with kryptonite?
The only symbolism I can think of for that is the father doing it for his son.
It's kinda like when you read about some guy lifting a car off his kid or something like that. In both instances, the father with the car and Supes with NK, no he should not have been able to do it, but he did.
I'll give you an example: When I was in the police academy, we watched an in-car video of a cop pushing a car off of some railroad tracks just as the train cam barreling down on the car. In the car was an unconscious woman and a baby. What is so amazing about this video is the fact that in his hurry to get the car moved, HE FAILED TO TAKE THE CAR OUT OF PARK. That's right, he pushed the car with all four tires SLIDING across the pavement, not rolling. They had some physist guy say how much force it would hae taken in joules or watts or some crap like that to move the car in that condition, and he said it was impossible for a single man to generate that much force. When he watched the video, he was stunned. He still didn't see how it was possible, but admitted readily that he had just witnessed it happening.
Now, I know we are dealing with alien physiology, comic book science, etc, but I think that is what the writers were going for. When need be, ordinary men can rise to extraordinary heights, and the same can be said for Supes.

 

[GreenKToo]

thats a great story.I have one of my own.I'm a firefighter,I'm kinda of a small guy(5'9,155lbs)anyway,at a housefire I went to a couple of yrs ago we were trying to make entry,the back door was locked,so i went around to the side door(at the time we thought someone was inside,but wasnt) the side door was locked as well.I pushed against it,and it didnt budge,neighbors were screaming that a elderly lady might be home,so I got in a big panic and pushed it again HARD,and at flew open,breaking the facing,and also it pushed a cabinet that was in front of it across the living room...after we got the fire out,and the lady came home with some friends,it took 3 of us to move that same cabinet....so adrenaline does work,supes was prolly mostly running on it in that scene.

I haven't listened to the commentaries yet, but does Singer explain how Supes was able to life NK into orbit when it was filled with kryptonite?
The only symbolism I can think of for that is the father doing it for his son.
It's kinda like when you read about some guy lifting a car off his kid or something like that. In both instances, the father with the car and Supes with NK, no he should not have been able to do it, but he did.
I'll give you an example: When I was in the police academy, we watched an in-car video of a cop pushing a car off of some railroad tracks just as the train cam barreling down on the car. In the car was an unconscious woman and a baby. What is so amazing about this video is the fact that in his hurry to get the car moved, HE FAILED TO TAKE THE CAR OUT OF PARK. That's right, he pushed the car with all four tires SLIDING across the pavement, not rolling. They had some physist guy say how much force it would hae taken in joules or watts or some crap like that to move the car in that condition, and he said it was impossible for a single man to generate that much force. When he watched the video, he was stunned. He still didn't see how it was possible, but admitted readily that he had just witnessed it happening.
Now, I know we are dealing with alien physiology, comic book science, etc, but I think that is what the writers were going for. When need be, ordinary men can rise to extraordinary heights, and the same can be said for Supes.

 

[dark_b]

I haven't listened to the commentaries yet, but does Singer explain how Supes was able to life NK into orbit when it was filled with kryptonite?
The only symbolism I can think of for that is the father doing it for his son.
It's kinda like when you read about some guy lifting a car off his kid or something like that. In both instances, the father with the car and Supes with NK, no he should not have been able to do it, but he did.
I'll give you an example: When I was in the police academy, we watched an in-car video of a cop pushing a car off of some railroad tracks just as the train cam barreling down on the car. In the car was an unconscious woman and a baby. What is so amazing about this video is the fact that in his hurry to get the car moved, HE FAILED TO TAKE THE CAR OUT OF PARK. That's right, he pushed the car with all four tires SLIDING across the pavement, not rolling. They had some physist guy say how much force it would hae taken in joules or watts or some crap like that to move the car in that condition, and he said it was impossible for a single man to generate that much force. When he watched the video, he was stunned. He still didn't see how it was possible, but admitted readily that he had just witnessed it happening.
Now, I know we are dealing with alien physiology, comic book science, etc, but I think that is what the writers were going for. When need be, ordinary men can rise to extraordinary heights, and the same can be said for Supes.

wooow

yes maybe this is why he can lift NK. this is now the second logical explanation.

 

[not_a_victim]

wooow

yes maybe this is why he can lift NK. this is now the second logical explanation.

What is the first?