Vaccinations

[Lily Adler]

Not if a child dies because of the parent's neglect. But then it would probably negligent manslaughter.

 

[KevanG]

When has a kid ever died of a simple disease? That's what vaccinat... Ooooh.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

If you don't vaccinate your children you deserve to be charged with a crime and your child should not be allowed around the general population. It's that simple. ANt-vaxxers are freaking morons

 

[Apollo]

Legally mandating vaccinations is kind of pushing it

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I normally always take the side of personal freedom. Not here though. The Question is absolutely right. It is a national health risk and needs to be mandatory.

 

[Anita18]

This is a good point. Some patients have legitimate, documented medical reasons that prevent them from getting certain vaccinations. Also, infants under 12 months old are still too young for the first measles shot, and will be extremely vulnerable. The anti-vaxxers are not only endangering their own kids' lives, but also and especially these vulnerable populations.

Arizona had someone infected with measles indirectly from Disneyland (they were related to someone who'd gone there and gotten infected) visit a CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL and I facepalmed into next month. They are monitoring 1000 people for measles now.

The very very VERY last place you'd want an extremely contagious disease, even a "minor" one, is a children's hospital. Kids normally don't get sick enough to end up in the hospital, so a children's hospital holds literally an area's sickest kids. Often those with extremely weak immune systems from chemo treatments or bone marrow transplants or genetic conditions, so the "measles aren't that serious!" excuse doesn't fly here.

I wonder if the anti-vaxxers would change their tune if they start getting sued because another person's kid dies. You don't even have to be symptomatic for measles to transmit it, and you can infect 90% of unvaccinated people in the same room as you if you have it. It's just so unnecessary, and I feel people have become too relaxed because we just don't see it anymore. I'm glad the Disneyland debacle has gotten at least some parents to change their minds, now that the threat is actually real and not just a hypothetical.

Herd immunity works only if the great majority of people are vaccinated. Not everyone will be completely immune (through no fault of their own, their systems just don't take to it 100%) and some can't get vaccinated for a legitimate medical reason. So it's up to us healthy people to make sure we're immune, to help society.

 

[tzarinna]

My son is 4, and all his required vaccinations. I'm sometimes on the fence about the flu vac, but usually go for it, especially if they offer the nasal. I hate to have him suffer through so many shots by folks who don't really seem to give a **** about traumatizing my child.

 

[KevanG]

At least you understand how the magic of vaccines work. If any parents you know say otherwise or even mention it causing autism, could you smack them for us? Say it's from the internet.

 

[Howlett]

I think it's fine if you choose to not vaccinate your children. But by doing so you've also made the choice of never releasing them into the general public and exposing others to them. Like your pets, you now have "inside the house children."

 

[Anita18]

My son is 4, and all his required vaccinations. I'm sometimes on the fence about the flu vac, but usually go for it, especially if they offer the nasal. I hate to have him suffer through so many shots by folks who don't really seem to give a **** about traumatizing my child.

Some doctors and nurses have worked with kids who need daily shots to live, or much worse. I don't think one child who's scared of needles for the occasional shot or blood test is going to faze them. I think that's an experience gap that happens in general in medicine.

But if he has all his required vaccinations, it's no biggie. Just know that clinicians aren't out to traumatize your kid because it's fun...it's very likely they're working from different contexts.

I think it's fine if you choose to not vaccinate your children. But by doing so you've also made the choice of never releasing them into the general public and exposing others to them. Like your pets, you now have "inside the house children."

Or have to buy facemasks in bulk from Costco.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I was scared to death of shots as a kid, but you get over it. As an adult I can take them like nothing.

 

[Hobgoblin]

Who started this anti-vaccination hysteria anyway? I never heard about this "vaccines = autism" idea until Jenny McCarthy made it her crusade.

Do people actually take medical advice from Jenny McCarthy?

 

[tzarinna]

Some doctors and nurses have worked with kids who need daily shots to live, or much worse. I don't think one child who's scared of needles for the occasional shot or blood test is going to faze them. I think that's an experience gap that happens in general in medicine.

I've worked in the health field for many years, and having been a patient, some people are just *******s that shouldn't be in the health field due to their lack of compassion, profiling, etc.

 

[Anita18]

I've worked in the health field for many years, and having been a patient, some people are just *******s that shouldn't be in the health field due to their lack of compassion, profiling, etc.

This is true. I honestly have no idea why such people are in the healthcare field anyway.

I worked on the campus of a cancer research hospital - the patients you see there and what they go through, always makes my problems seem pretty damn small, no matter how bad they might be.

 

[KevanG]

Who started this anti-vaccination hysteria anyway? I never heard about this "vaccines = autism" idea until Jenny McCarthy made it her crusade.

Do people actually take medical advice from Jenny McCarthy?

Jenny and Oprah. She let it all go down on her show instead of trying to handle it since she had a ****ton more pull than Jenny would ever have.

 

[-Arya-]

Vaccines do not cause Autism. Get your kids vaccinated. End of story.

 

[Hobgoblin]

Oprah may be a better person to listen to on many things than Jenny, but neither are medical experts.

The cult of celebrity is just....

 

[KevanG]

Considering that Oprah got Phil and Oz (who are both complete BS) shows and have millions pay attention to them, she needs to really pay more attention the the **** she supports. She never gets much flak about this either.

 

[warhorse78]

Also, providing proper nutrition to your child should be a no brainer. My niece and nephew go to a school where they have specific guidelines for the foods that need to be included in a lunch. Packing burgers and fries for your kid's lunch is negligent parenting. The problem with expecting schools to feed your child is that it's much more expensive to buy healthy foods (and they also expire quicker). Also, a lot of these schools get funding from certain companies (not healthy ones) to feed their product to children. Would you be willing to pay more taxes so that the schools can afford to provide more nutritional lunches? Are you willing to pay more than Pepsi to get healthy drinks in vending machines?

Are you ****ing serious? I think you need to research some of these stories and realize how out of touch the school systems are. One report was the a Japanese student brought sushi for lunch. The child was sent home with a note stating that the meal was too high priced of an item to bring into the school, and was making the other kids feel bad about themselves (I ***** you not with this). Another report, was in Canada, where the child did have a pretty good lunch, but was reported because it had Ritz crackers in it as a snack. And then several others were kids being singled out for having a mini candy bar as a treat, despite the rest of the lunch being full of nutrients, far more nutritious than the school lunch provides. It's very arrogant for the schools to dictate to parents on what to feed their kids, when the kids with home lunches are just fine, while the school lunches are the ones that are crap.

Stuff like this is why my parents told the public school systems to go F themselves, and I was homeschooled from 6th grade and on, and even got a scholarship to a college on top of it.

 

[warhorse78]

I fully agree with this statement, but telling parents to vaccinate their children is like telling parents to feed their children and give them shelter. It's one of the basic obligations you have as a parent.

What about babies that are too young to be vaccinated? What's stopping them from causing some huge epidemic? Why are they OK to go to public places, unvaccinated, but older kids are not?

 

[Tempest]

Do you think we're going down the road of forcing people to get flu vaccines too?

 

[Anita18]

What about babies that are too young to be vaccinated? What's stopping them from causing some huge epidemic? Why are they OK to go to public places, unvaccinated, but older kids are not?

Because it's the unvaccinated older kids and adults who will protect the babies too young to be vaccinated. Herd immunity is a real thing, but it only works if the great majority of the population is vaccinated.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Exactly Anita, one of my best friends has an 18 month old son who is a heart baby. He has already had 2 major heart surgeries and 3 brain surgeries. Because of those he has had many transfusions and even though he was vaccinated at the proper time the likelihood that he is fully protected is low. Anti-vaxxer idiots are risking children like him their very lives because they are stupid. Herd immunity is essential for a children like him

 

[Maximus One]

Yea, if you are on the side of the anti-vaxxers you're just stupid and unfit to raise children. I love how Autism is almost always the reasoning too. Like you aren't already taking that gamble just by the simple fact of having a kid. Also, it's a little insulting how so many people treat Autism like it's such a bad thing. Obviously it's not a good thing and in some cases it's downright horrible but I still think a dead or contagious kid is way worst than the worst kind of autism that is out there.

 

[Greens]

Who started this anti-vaccination hysteria anyway? I never heard about this "vaccines = autism" idea until Jenny McCarthy made it her crusade.

Do people actually take medical advice from Jenny McCarthy?

I believe there was one "study" that pointed out the autism connection and Jenny just ran with it. Pretty funny considering all other studies say it's no true.