Vaccinations

[Spider-Aziz]

Anyone here an autistic?
I got my vaccines as advised, don't feel autistic.

Anyway, those anti-vaccination folks need to ask themselves one question before going on with their rampant prattle: "What do we need to do to eliminate the need for vaccines? What could make better alternatives?"

 

[KevanG]

Unverified homeopathic remedies of course. Why should we have reliable, safe and proven things to protect our children when we can go to someone who has an unverifiable Doctor in front of their name who recommends we give him herbs and sacrifice the mailman to Odin to make sure he doesn't get the sniffles?

 

[Feenix]

Are you ****ing serious? I think you need to research some of these stories and realize how out of touch the school systems are. One report was the a Japanese student brought sushi for lunch. The child was sent home with a note stating that the meal was too high priced of an item to bring into the school, and was making the other kids feel bad about themselves (I ***** you not with this). Another report, was in Canada, where the child did have a pretty good lunch, but was reported because it had Ritz crackers in it as a snack. And then several others were kids being singled out for having a mini candy bar as a treat, despite the rest of the lunch being full of nutrients, far more nutritious than the school lunch provides. It's very arrogant for the schools to dictate to parents on what to feed their kids, when the kids with home lunches are just fine, while the school lunches are the ones that are crap.

Stuff like this is why my parents told the public school systems to go F themselves, and I was homeschooled from 6th grade and on, and even got a scholarship to a college on top of it.

You didn't answer my post. All you did was reply with a small number of examples of school policies that you don't agree with.

You don't think that a parent should have to provide a nutritional lunch for their children? Also, given that some parents don't vaccinate their kids, I don't exactly trust their judgement when it comes to healthy eating. So the guidelines from the schools may be a little bit off, but that doesn't mean they're moving in the wrong direction. Parents shouldn't be allowed to feed their kids crap foods. I get that "crap" is a subjective term, but I think mandated guidelines for nutritional lunches is a good thing.

As for your last point, we could get into a debate about the merits of home-schooling, but it's not the thread for it.

This is why vaccinations need to be compulsory:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/roald-dahls-heartbreaking-letter-about-measles-vaccine/

 

[Hobgoblin]

Anyone read Cal Thomas' s political opinion columns? He actually said in October that experts cant be trusted in regards to determining what ISIS and ebola will do. He said that the public is smart enough to decide for themselves what will happen. It made me crazy. Don't trust the people that have dedicated their lives to studying things like these, but do trust Joe Six Pack.

 

[KevanG]

The public is supposed to get information from the experts because they *ARE* the experts. The usual public opinion is bomb them, ignore it, get rid of the ones who might have something to do with it.

 

[Feenix]

The public is supposed to get information from the experts because they *ARE* the experts. The usual public opinion is bomb them, ignore it, get rid of the ones who might have something to do with it.

This is why I have always had a problem with juries. A jury of your peers is made up of people who, collectively, may be stupid. I personally think juries need to be made up of educated people with various backgrounds in psychology, forensics, sociology, science, etc.

 

[Pink Ranger]

The anti-vax movement seems to be a strange one that includes both the extreme right and extreme left of American political culture. Maybe it's a sneaky way of limiting the population expansion from both those idiotic sides.

 

[Maximus One]

Ya know, I just thought of something. Isn't autism just something you're born with? Like, I know it probably first starts presenting itself a little after a child is born but that seems like something that just is. It's not something contracted from some external source. Or, are they arguing that the mothers being vaccinated led to the children being autistic? All this **** is just so incredibly stupid. And I have friends that say this kind of stuff too. Not people I actually socialize with in real life but I know them in real life. I'd never go around them or their kids now though. Screw that.

 

[Greens]

Ya know, I just thought of something. Isn't autism just something you're born with? Like, I know it probably first starts presenting itself a little after a child is born but that seems like something that just is. It's not something contracted from some external source. Or, are they arguing that the mothers being vaccinated led to the children being autistic? All this **** is just so incredibly stupid. And I have friends that say this kind of stuff too. Not people I actually socialize with in real life but I know them in real life. I'd never go around them or their kids now though. Screw that.

Yes, autism starts to develop in the womb. It doesn't matter, though. Facts don't faze these people.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Who started this anti-vaccination hysteria anyway? I never heard about this "vaccines = autism" idea until Jenny McCarthy made it her crusade.

Do people actually take medical advice from Jenny McCarthy?

McCarthy has a son with autism. I think she is using this as the main reason why her son became autistic etc.

 

[Maximus One]

Yea, that just makes it even dumber. Good lord the human race is doomed.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

I believe there was one "study" that pointed out the autism connection and Jenny just ran with it. Pretty funny considering all other studies say it's no true.

And the one study that made those claims has not only been thoroughly debunked but it was also shown that the doctor who was making the claims was being payed off by companies that stood to make money from the claims. hence why he is no longer a doctor

McCarthy has a son with autism. I think she is using this as the main reason why her son became autistic etc.

The funny thing is now she claims that her autistic child was "cured" and of course she knows how to "cure" other children too, just buy her new book of course! Because if anyone was going to "cure" autism of course it was going to be a former playmate and their infinite wisdom

 

[Thundercrack85]

I do find the demographics of this issue curious. Older people are actually more pro-vaccine than young people. Probably because they actually remembered a time when vaccines routinely saved lives.

 

[Maximus One]

I was talking about this the other day on Facebook. My great-aunt had polio when I was growing up. Have you ever actually seen somebody, in person, with polio? If that isn't enough to show people the good that vaccinations do then I don't think anything ever will. I'm all for personal freedoms and liberties, but this is a no brainer. It should be mandatory. Or, at the very least, if people want to not vaccinate their children they should be subjected to an immense fine. I think that might help nudge people in the sane direction.

 

[BestGirl]

I saw that Chris Christie is taking the "vaccinate your kids if you feel like it" approach, simply because President Obama believes in all that FANCY LIBRUL SCIENCEY STUFF and advised parents to vaccinate their children.

And this is the same guy who forcibly quarantined a woman who he thought might have had ebola.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Rand Paul's dumbass came out and said that vaccines cause mental disorders. He has a damn medical degree, the pandering to these morons by the right is disgusting

 

[Thundercrack85]

Christie just blew it. Well, arguably that bridge thing blew it. But this is it.

 

[KevanG]

And this is the same guy who forcibly quarantined a woman who he thought might have had ebola.

That's what I put earlier. I compared the body count from the entire timeline of Ebola vs just one year of measles and it wasn't even close.

 

[DarthDaveBanner]

Even if vaccines did have a chance of causing autism...wouldn't not vaccinating your child imply that you would rather risk your child dying than risk them living with autism.

Yeah that's pretty ugly.

 

[BestGirl]

It's not just autism that the anti-vaxxers are afraid of. Some people have suffered serious medical conditions as a result of getting a vaccination. However, being against vaccines because they very rarely cause illnesses is a silly reason to be opposed to them. It would be like leading a crusade against seatbelts because they occasionally kill instead of save victims of car accidents.

 

[Siby]

Christie's comment was so stupid. Okay, so I had my kids vaccinated because I know it will protect them but parents should have a choice in not getting their own kids vaccinated? Meaning not protecting them or those they come in contact with?

Rand Paul is just a jackass just like his father. For a medical doctor to say the stupid stuff he said about vaccines is mind boggling. In one sentence he said how great vaccines are but then in another breath he says that they cause mental issues. How can they be good if they are so bad as to cause mental problems?

I loved The Daily Shows take on this issue and the woman from California, who "more or less" vaccinated her kids. lol

 

[KevanG]

I saw on CNN they had the head of the CDC on and they had him respond to videos of those two. You could see him struggling not to call them idiots and worse. He basically said 'Vaccines are one of the greatest things in medical history, have been proven to have been effective a million times more than any other way, saved millions of lives over the years in the USA alone and only idiots who have no understanding of how they work say that they're bad.' He even dumbed it down saying something along the lines of you'd have a better chance of getting hit by lightning ten times over than had a bad reaction to a vaccine, never mind anything at all like Autism which was never connected.

 

[Spider2099]

Vaccinate your children. End of story. Children shouldn't have to suffer because of ignorant parents.

 

[warhorse78]

You didn't answer my post. All you did was reply with a small number of examples of school policies that you don't agree with.

You don't think that a parent should have to provide a nutritional lunch for their children? Also, given that some parents don't vaccinate their kids, I don't exactly trust their judgement when it comes to healthy eating. So the guidelines from the schools may be a little bit off, but that doesn't mean they're moving in the wrong direction. Parents shouldn't be allowed to feed their kids crap foods. I get that "crap" is a subjective term, but I think mandated guidelines for nutritional lunches is a good thing.

As for your last point, we could get into a debate about the merits of home-schooling, but it's not the thread for it.

This is why vaccinations need to be compulsory:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/roald-dahls-heartbreaking-letter-about-measles-vaccine/

Basically, my two points are, one, the school is being very hypocritical when getting on parents cases of nutrician when the school itself would be providing an even less nutricious meal. And point 2, the families singled out by the schools did have nutricius meals.

And it is going to be very difficult to mandate shots, simply because of medical reasons alone, not everybody can get vaccinations.

 

[Feenix]

And it is going to be very difficult to mandate shots, simply because of medical reasons alone, not everybody can get vaccinations.

But everyone who can, should, to protect those that can't.