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Val Kilmer as Batman (IYO) - In Your Opinion . . .

True Bale had better material, and although I wouldn't say Kilmer neccesarily had the best suit, I think he was probably the best Batman in regards to the comics.

Always liked him, not just as Batman, as a general actor, and I think it's a shame that some people treat his whole career as cancer because he was in one movie that got bashed by critics.
 
True Bale had better material, and although I wouldn't say Kilmer neccesarily had the best suit, I think he was probably the best Batman in regards to the comics.

Always liked him, not just as Batman, as a general actor, and I think it's a shame that some people treat his whole career as cancer because he was in one movie that got bashed by critics.
It is kind of a shame. I think he took even more flak because guys like Joel Schumacher and John Frankenheimer complained he was hard to work with, and that was sandwiched in with his divorce from Joanne Whalley.
 
Yeah it sucks, especially as Oliver Stone says what a pleasure he was. It just seems he got the 'difficult' tag and was instantly treated the same with every film.
 
Kilmer certainly did his thing as did Carrey and Kidman. Certainly would've liked to seen him in Batman and Robin instead of Clooney. But that's what happens when you choose The Saint over Batman and Robin. Can't say I blame him though. I'm sure he read both scripts and said to Schumacher "it was nice working with you" and ran out of the studio.

I wonder what happened to Val anyway...I haven't seen or heard a movie from that cat in a long time. Same with O'Donnell. I remember Vertical Limit which was actually a good movie that he was in and The Bachelor, and that's it.

I assume they're sitting on millions and takin' it easy...
 
Kilmer certainly did his thing as did Carrey and Kidman. Certainly would've liked to seen him in Batman and Robin instead of Clooney. But that's what happens when you choose The Saint over Batman and Robin. Can't say I blame him though. I'm sure he read both scripts and said to Schumacher "it was nice working with you" and ran out of the studio.

I wonder what happened to Val anyway...I haven't seen or heard a movie from that cat in a long time. Same with O'Donnell. I remember Vertical Limit which was actually a good movie that he was in and The Bachelor, and that's it.

I assume they're sitting on millions and takin' it easy...
They wish... both men continued to work, both men seemed to have stardom within their grasp, but bad luck befell them. Well, O'Donnell's in "The Company" now opposite former Batman Michael Keaton, so that's a plus for him.

Kilmer got good write ups for "Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang".
 
I've personally never found Val Kilmer convincing as an actor unless he was playing some rich, emotionless, genius. And yet somehow, I still think he failed at Batman.
 
http://www.cracked.com/index.php?name=News&sid=2111&pageid=3

Ability to Kick A**
Substantial. Until Christian Bale came along, as unbelievable as this sounds, BatKilmer was probably the only Batman to have bothered lifting a few g*ddamn weights. So he acquits himself well here, punching, kicking, and rope-swinging around about 200 times more a**-kickingly than Adam "Let's Tilt the Camera on Its Side So I Can Climb Up Buildings" West and Michael "I Can't Really Move in This Thing, So I'll Just Stand Here and Glower with a Poopy-Face" Keaton.
So it's unfortunate, but not really his fault, that the film elects to pit him against 120-pound man-child Jim Carrey and senior citizen Tommy Lee Jones, either of whom anyone in the audience for Batman Forever could probably take in a fight.

Coolness of Costume
BatKilmer starts Forever sporting probably the best of the Batsuits from the original movie franchise, keeping the black tones and yellow bat symbol of the Keaton era, yet improving upon them through the new outfit's improved mobility (Batman can actually kick things now without falling over) and the new actor's actual muscles (Val works out).
Towards the end of the movie, though, as if sensing the audience's growing boredom, BatKilmer shows up inexplicably in the Clooney model, all silver-colored and ridiculous, as if to say, "Hey, check it out! Now you can buy two toys!"

Rogues Gallery
Batman Forever officially marks the point where Batman's villains were deemed more interesting than Batman himself. They consequently stop making any kind of sense, existing only as a rickety vehicle for ham-fisted acting on the part of whichever name-brand celebrity they'd managed to land for the movie—in this case, Carrey and Jones, who swallow unspeakably vast amounts of scenery without bothering to chew.
When you're able to compare Forever to its previous installment, Batman Returns—a film where Danny Devito crams handfuls of raw fish into his mouth while sitting among penguins with missiles strapped to their backs in a sewer—and think, "You know, Forever is really where the villains became too campy," that's saying something.

Smoothness with the Ladies
BatKilmer takes a few spoonfuls of pants-sugar from Nicole Kidman in Forever, who plays Dr. Chase Meridian, a smoking-hot Gotham City psychiatrist who harbors an unhealthy sexual obsession with the Dark Knight. Perhaps due to the logistical problems of Val tapping the good doctor while in costume, Dr. Chase becomes one in a seemingly endless series of love interests from the original franchise to whom Batman gleefully reveals his secret identity for a booty call.
This prompts the question of why, if Batman's willing to take off his mask for any girl who wants to hit a mattress, he even bothers to wear a costume at all. If that's his priority here, surely "crime-fighting billionaire detective" is gonna rack a brother up more tail than "crazy dude in a flying rat outfit," right?

Posse
Alicia Silverstone's yet to be invited to the Batparty (see #4. George Clooney), but Forever sadly marks the introduction of The Great Unpleasantness: Chris O'Donnell, a veritable black hole of charisma who somehow convinced America he should be starring in films alongside Al Pacino and Gene Hackman—this despite a complete inability to speak dialogue without sounding like he'd just been hit in the skull with a plank of wood. O'Donnell's an actor, in short, who makes one long for the playful, layered nuance of a Keanu Reeves performance.
BatKilmer stumbles on Unpleasantness at the Gotham Circus while trying to put the moves on Dr. Chase by asking her out "rock-climbing"—because when you're a crime-fighting billionaire, dinner and a movie's out of the question, evidently. Two-Face (Jones) interrupts BatKilmer's mountain-scaling ("And then back to my place?") overture by holding the circus hostage for a reason that's probably stupid. O'Donnell's trapeze-tumbling parents help out by plummeting embarrassingly to their deaths:
In BatKilmer's mind, anybody who loses their parents must necessarily want to take up a life of dressing ridiculously and administering vigilante justice, and so offers Unpleasantness a job as Robin, his boy sidekick. To the audible groans of everyone who's just endured five minutes of O'Donnell's acting and now realizes they're about to be forced through another hour's worth, Unpleasantness accepts.

Homoerotic Subtext?
The post-Adam West, rebooted Batman franchise had so far wisely avoided homoeroticism simply by not including Robin in any of the movies. Batman Forever breaks from this reasonable choice, and so we get many scenes with Kilmer and O'Donnell casting smoldering looks at each other, presumably because they're furious, but possibly because, "damn it, when is that troublesome man gonna kiss me?"
 
It would've at the very least served continuity much better with him instead of George Clooney. Then again, the same thing could be said for Michael Keaton had he done "Batman Forever" instead of Val Kilmer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_&_Robin_(film)#Development
Kilmer was asked why he didn't return for a fourth installment saying he liked the characterization of Simon Templar better than Bruce Wayne. Kilmer commented "Simon is a literary character who uses his wit, and not violence. Batman is a real screwed-up guy who has hustled an entire city, and now he's running around in a cape. What's it all about?"
 
Looks like its time to resurrect all the old debates, sounds like fun.
 
Bale is best. Keaton is good. Kilmer was better. West was campy. Clooney had poor direction.
 
Wow TMC... Do you even like Batman? You've basically just **** on the every actor who's played him.
 
You basically dissed every actor who'd played him so far.

And for the record, it wasn't West's choice to do the side-ways walk up the buildings.
 
RobC if you're referring to the cracked articles he posted all over this board those weren't disses at all. Cracked is derived from a humor magazine of the same title that basically is a low rent MAD magazine. It's a humor site so naturally they'd poke fun at their article subjects in the same articles they have also praised many aspects of the Batman actors as well. I found them entertaining.
 
I liked Kilmer as Bruce Wayne/Batman, and without taking away any merit from Keaton (My fav performance) and Bale (whose physical and methodical preparation for the role I admire) Val Kilmer is still my favourite physical representation of Wayne/Batman, this is a very subjetive thing but if Wayne/batman jumped out of the comic book pages I still think it would look like Val Kilmer in real life.
 
RobC if you're referring to the cracked articles he posted all over this board those weren't disses at all. Cracked is derived from a humor magazine of the same title that basically is a low rent MAD magazine. It's a humor site so naturally they'd poke fun at their article subjects in the same articles they have also praised many aspects of the Batman actors as well. I found them entertaining.

I feel so embarrassed right now. This is hat happens when you live in the UK, you have no idea about popular culture. Seriously, I only know what MAD is because it was in The Simpsons.

Sorry... :whatever:
 
I will only go as far as saying I like Kilmers Bruce Wayne pretty well, but his Batman couldve used alot of work. His bat-voice was just OK for me.
 
There are some very good elements to BATMAN FOREVER. It's a shame the film was so uneven across the board, because Val really brought something special to the franchise.

I loved Kilmer's performance overall, and I enjoyed him as both Bruce Wayne and Batman. I really think he had the most well rounded "established Bruce Wayne" portrayal of any Batman movie, with charitable, business, scientific, playboy and family aspects explored, and his Batman had some frankly great moments, and probably the most relevant and interesting character arc any "ongoing Batman adventure" movie or series story has ever had. The scene in the alley where Dick attacks him is fantastic, and there are just some great interactions between them.

He was very much the 1980's Batman. An intelligent, very capable, adventurer, not neccessarily supposed to be truly scary to the innocent, but definitely feared by criminals. Kilmer also brought an emotion and an urgency to both Bruce Wayne and Batman that other actors did not, and I applaud him for that.
 
There are some very good elements to BATMAN FOREVER. It's a shame the film was so uneven across the board, because Val really brought something special to the franchise.

I loved Kilmer's performance overall, and I enjoyed him as both Bruce Wayne and Batman. I really think he had the most well rounded "established Bruce Wayne" portrayal of any Batman movie, with charitable, business, scientific, playboy and family aspects explored, and his Batman had some frankly great moments, and probably the most relevant and interesting character arc any "ongoing Batman adventure" movie or series story has ever had. The scene in the alley where Dick attacks him is fantastic, and there are just some great interactions between them.

He was very much the 1980's Batman. An intelligent, very capable, adventurer, not neccessarily supposed to be truly scary to the innocent, but definitely feared by criminals. Kilmer also brought an emotion and an urgency to both Bruce Wayne and Batman that other actors did not, and I applaud him for that.



I totally liked Kilmer's Batman and Bruce Wayne he looked the part unlike Clooney or Keaton for that matter. Only thing bother me when Batman smiled after learning that Chase chose Bruce, why did he have to smile?
 
He was very much the 1980's Batman. An intelligent, very capable, adventurer, not neccessarily supposed to be truly scary to the innocent, but definitely feared by criminals. Kilmer also brought an emotion and an urgency to both Bruce Wayne and Batman that other actors did not, and I applaud him for that.

Yes!
 
^ Oh why not add some slap happy fun to a summer blockbuster!
 
There are some very good elements to BATMAN FOREVER. It's a shame the film was so uneven across the board, because Val really brought something special to the franchise.

I loved Kilmer's performance overall, and I enjoyed him as both Bruce Wayne and Batman. I really think he had the most well rounded "established Bruce Wayne" portrayal of any Batman movie, with charitable, business, scientific, playboy and family aspects explored, and his Batman had some frankly great moments, and probably the most relevant and interesting character arc any "ongoing Batman adventure" movie or series story has ever had. The scene in the alley where Dick attacks him is fantastic, and there are just some great interactions between them.

He was very much the 1980's Batman. An intelligent, very capable, adventurer, not neccessarily supposed to be truly scary to the innocent, but definitely feared by criminals. Kilmer also brought an emotion and an urgency to both Bruce Wayne and Batman that other actors did not, and I applaud him for that.

Yeah, not like Keaton. When did Bruce Wayne ever show the behaviour and manners his Batman did in the comics? Never.

Comic book accuracy
Adam West 80%
Val Kilmer 75%
Christian Bale 65%
George Clooney 50%
Michael Keaton 10%

Cannot rate the other guys, the first Batman was quite good.
 

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