Wga Strike: Make The Call!

Apparently everybody but the writer should profit from their work. :dry:

Well, according to him, the suits in the studios were the ones that created the series. They then look at their stable of writers, select one, and BAM it just happens to be... the one that created the series in the first place and pitched it to the studio
 
Y'know what pisses me off most about the strike. If Liza gets pregnant tomorrow, without TV, who the hell will raise my children!?! :cmad:
 
Y'know what pisses me off most about the strike. If Liza gets pregnant tomorrow, without TV, who the hell will raise my children!?! :cmad:

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Source please.

oh c'mon, you're not that lazy are you? I just typed this into google and got 3 news articles right away.

And before you ask, J. Michael Straczynski is a writer with 20+ years of experience writing, and a member of the WGA, so I think he knows more about it than you.

and as part of the WGA his view of things is biased
 
Funny, cause I got this which says

Average starting salary: $35,000
Average salary after 5 years: $41,300
Average salary after 10 to 15 years: $54,500

But since the average salary isn't an issue in the strike, continue to go on about it
 
Yeah, like CBS created The Twilight Zone instead of Rod Serling, or Paramount created Star Trek instead of Gene Roddenberry, or Warner Brothers created Babylon 5 instead of J. Michael Straczynski, or Fox created Family Guy, The Simpsons, and King of the Hill, instead of Seth McFarlane, Matt Groening, or Mike Judge, respectively.

You have no damn clue what you're talking about.

Of course there are a few exceptions that dont apply, there are far more examples that back up what I'm saying, dozens upon dozens. You're the one who has no idea son.
 
I gave a few examples because if I listed every single TV series that was created by a writer, we would be here for several years.

You have yet to back anything you've said.
 
Neither have you - using the few famous examples going back as far as the sixties is pushing it. Besides all those people you've listed I wouldnt say are that needy of a cut are they. This is supposed to be about the 'little guy' something that you seem to have failed to noticed by purely listing those 'elite' writers. I dont think many people are going to be crying into their beer if Seth McFarlane, Matt Groening, or Mike Judge dont get a bigger cut to add to their riches. My point still stands authors and movie/tv writers are very different. Try to use some better examples next time...I dont wish to go over and over this. I've made my point, 'nuff said. :up:
 
I was going to make a post showing him wrong, but since he's banned, it's meaningless
 
Funny, cause I got this which says

Average starting salary: $35,000
Average salary after 5 years: $41,300
Average salary after 10 to 15 years: $54,500

But since the average salary isn't an issue in the strike, continue to go on about it

Hahahaha, are you serious? Hahahaha :D
 
So you'd rather continue going on about something that isn't even part of the writer's strike.

I'll just let you *********e in the corner. Wipe up once your done. No one likes a mess.
 
So you'd rather continue going on about something that isn't even part of the writer's strike.

I'll just let you *********e in the corner. Wipe up once your done. No one likes a mess.


http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=entertainment&id=5739193
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/03/b...a66c&ex=1194753600&partner=EXCITE&oref=slogin

I laughed because your link is in regards to writers in general, not WGA members. In fact, one could easily see how wrong your figures are when you consider the WGA's own Schedule of Minimums http://www.wga.org/uploadedFiles/writers_resources/contracts/min2004.pdf


yes it is part of the strike, and if you can't see that, then you're very naive and ignorant.

Unions are nothing but labor cartels set up to shut out competition from other workers. Then with strikes such as this one, they're bullying, extracting money through forced blackmail, hurts many other works in many other fields including small business owners and workers in LA.
http://getbackinthatroom.blogspot.com/
http://thegerlilife.blogspot.com/2007/11/another-perspective.html

You think every member of the WGA agrees with this strike? Of course you won't hear them speak out because of fear. And why should every Hollywood writer care when this strike is preventing them from working because of an issue that will only affect a small percentage who's writings will ever make it to DVD or some other "new media."

How do you know what the WGA want is "fair"? How can you know something like that? The WGA has taken away the power of the individual writer to decide what's fair for himself.

"Unions are among the few groups to issue formal ‘demands.’ Some of the others are hijackers, kidnappers, and bank robbers."
 
The Writers Cartel of America
by Andrew S. Fischer



On Monday, one of Hollywood's protectionist show business cartels – the Writers Guild of America (WGA) – went on strike. One would think that these generally talentless hacks would be embarrassed to belong to an organization so named, let alone take good money for the habitually putrid crapola they create. A negotiator observed publicly last Friday that working industry writers, on average, earn over $200,000 a year, receive high-quality health benefits, and are among the few employees in the world who get an additional annuity in the form of residual payments.

Yet these great contributors to modern literature – craftsman who have brought us such classics as Showgirls,Walker: Texas Ranger and any soap opera ever produced – are actually taking to the streets and handing out flyers, explaining why they should be paid a bigger piece of the DVD/Internet porkpie when it comes to movie and TV show profits.

Writers have always been treated like dirt in Hollywood, and I do sympathize in this regard. Their screenplays are usually considered mere "blueprints" – to be modified at will – and the directors get all the glory. Naturally, this is unpleasant for any writer with a brilliant vision who has created something worthwhile, but considering what the industry typically generates – action films, dopey sitcoms, chick flicks, etc. – any writer living in L.A. must surely know the score. Showbiz producers and execs can be quite effective when it comes to mangling scripts, so this doesn't help, but anyone writing episodes of Women's Murder Club can hardly complain when they add "SHE LOOKS at HIM with LUST in HER EYES" to the stage directions of his serious work of art.

It's an odious little system. Writers are not supposed to write "on spec" (speculation). This means a producer isn't allowed to say, "Hey, Fischer, we're looking for a Baywatch ripoff that takes place in the center of the Earth – go write a screenplay and maybe we'll pay you for it." Instead, according to the WGA schedule of minimums, the writer currently gets a minimum of $25,599 to write a "treatment" (detailed synopsis), then $22,249 more for a first draft, etc. This is called "scale" (the guild minimum). It may work nicely for members of the cartel, but an unknown writer, without an agent (i.e., mandatory double-talking middleman), will be conveniently excluded from this arrangement. Thus the WGA protects its members and their livelihood from outsiders, just like any cartel. This way a few lucky people (often friends and relatives of industry insiders) are able to earn a nice, easy living, while other, perhaps more talented people are prevented from earning a single dollar. (By the way, if you have an agent and/or manager protecting your interests, why do you also need a guild?)

However, newcomers will essentially write on spec anyway, arriving in L.A. in droves every year, a bucketful of scripts in hand, almost all of them amateurish and lame. If they manage to see an agent and he likes their ideas, some newbies may, in fact, get lucky. Note that when such a script is sold it typically doesn't matter how well it is written. If the idea seems highly commercial, a newbie's screenplay might be bought at scale, and then passed on to other writers for a second draft. (Just for fun, if you can find the original Alien screenplay on the web, you'll be amazed how puerile and laughable it is. It still astounds me that it was ever sold, especially since it was a blatant steal of 1958's It: The Terror from Beyond Space.) Note that once you sell a script, you must join the WGA immediately, or the sale will be canceled. If you decide to be a "scab" and sell something during a writers' strike, after it's over you will be denied membership in the WGA and, for all intents and purposes, any potential future sales (unless, if memory serves, you pay back what you earned plus an extra 10% – to the WGA, not the producer).

Apparently showbiz writers are afraid of competition, or perhaps are dimly aware that almost anyone can compose much of the drivel for which they are so handsomely paid. To prove it, watch any soap opera, and write down a few pages of dialog. Notice how pathetic it looks on paper. See if you can edit and improve it. I'll wager that if you received at least a "B" in high school English (any year) you can do better. Now you know why there is a Writers Guild – your spinster aunt could write this offal, and she'd be happy to do so for a fraction of the WGA minimum.

In a free marketplace, of course, none of this would exist. Folks would register their scripts (more cheaply than the $20 the WGA charges, since there would be competition) and send them to producers, who would simply make monetary offers to their creators. Naturally there would be some thievery, but there has always been plenty of that going on. (A novel that I was lucky enough to see published thirty years ago had seventeen plot and character elements "borrowed" by a brainiac who used them in his own novel. I later found a newspaper story stating that the author liked to read novels during his train ride to work, and he "combined" some of them into his own. Oh, this person happened to be a lawyer, and the one I consulted informed me: "He knew what he was doing – the similarities are just a wee bit tenuous to file a lawsuit.")

In the open market, a great screenplay by an unknown talent might command a lot more money than it does now, while all the inane junk would command far less than current scale. As in any free market, equilibrium would automatically settle in, and the goods in question – in this case written words – would fetch what the market deems they are worth, and not the arbitrary minimums that are demanded by the WGA cartel. Whenever a market is freed, these always emerge: more, better and cheaper.

November 6, 2007
 
The strike isn't about the salary. The strike is about getting an extra 4 cents from every DVD sold, bringing the amount to 8 cents, and receiving residuals from new media.
 
The Writers Cartel of America
by Andrew S. Fischer



On Monday, one of Hollywood's protectionist show business cartels – the Writers Guild of America (WGA) – went on strike. One would think that these generally talentless hacks would be embarrassed to belong to an organization so named, let alone take good money for the habitually putrid crapola they create. A negotiator observed publicly last Friday that working industry writers, on average, earn over $200,000 a year, receive high-quality health benefits, and are among the few employees in the world who get an additional annuity in the form of residual payments.

Yet these great contributors to modern literature – craftsman who have brought us such classics as Showgirls,Walker: Texas Ranger and any soap opera ever produced – are actually taking to the streets and handing out flyers, explaining why they should be paid a bigger piece of the DVD/Internet porkpie when it comes to movie and TV show profits.

Writers have always been treated like dirt in Hollywood, and I do sympathize in this regard. Their screenplays are usually considered mere "blueprints" – to be modified at will – and the directors get all the glory. Naturally, this is unpleasant for any writer with a brilliant vision who has created something worthwhile, but considering what the industry typically generates – action films, dopey sitcoms, chick flicks, etc. – any writer living in L.A. must surely know the score. Showbiz producers and execs can be quite effective when it comes to mangling scripts, so this doesn't help, but anyone writing episodes of Women's Murder Club can hardly complain when they add "SHE LOOKS at HIM with LUST in HER EYES" to the stage directions of his serious work of art.

It's an odious little system. Writers are not supposed to write "on spec" (speculation). This means a producer isn't allowed to say, "Hey, Fischer, we're looking for a Baywatch ripoff that takes place in the center of the Earth – go write a screenplay and maybe we'll pay you for it." Instead, according to the WGA schedule of minimums, the writer currently gets a minimum of $25,599 to write a "treatment" (detailed synopsis), then $22,249 more for a first draft, etc. This is called "scale" (the guild minimum). It may work nicely for members of the cartel, but an unknown writer, without an agent (i.e., mandatory double-talking middleman), will be conveniently excluded from this arrangement. Thus the WGA protects its members and their livelihood from outsiders, just like any cartel. This way a few lucky people (often friends and relatives of industry insiders) are able to earn a nice, easy living, while other, perhaps more talented people are prevented from earning a single dollar. (By the way, if you have an agent and/or manager protecting your interests, why do you also need a guild?)

However, newcomers will essentially write on spec anyway, arriving in L.A. in droves every year, a bucketful of scripts in hand, almost all of them amateurish and lame. If they manage to see an agent and he likes their ideas, some newbies may, in fact, get lucky. Note that when such a script is sold it typically doesn't matter how well it is written. If the idea seems highly commercial, a newbie's screenplay might be bought at scale, and then passed on to other writers for a second draft. (Just for fun, if you can find the original Alien screenplay on the web, you'll be amazed how puerile and laughable it is. It still astounds me that it was ever sold, especially since it was a blatant steal of 1958's It: The Terror from Beyond Space.) Note that once you sell a script, you must join the WGA immediately, or the sale will be canceled. If you decide to be a "scab" and sell something during a writers' strike, after it's over you will be denied membership in the WGA and, for all intents and purposes, any potential future sales (unless, if memory serves, you pay back what you earned plus an extra 10% – to the WGA, not the producer).

Apparently showbiz writers are afraid of competition, or perhaps are dimly aware that almost anyone can compose much of the drivel for which they are so handsomely paid. To prove it, watch any soap opera, and write down a few pages of dialog. Notice how pathetic it looks on paper. See if you can edit and improve it. I'll wager that if you received at least a "B" in high school English (any year) you can do better. Now you know why there is a Writers Guild – your spinster aunt could write this offal, and she'd be happy to do so for a fraction of the WGA minimum.

In a free marketplace, of course, none of this would exist. Folks would register their scripts (more cheaply than the $20 the WGA charges, since there would be competition) and send them to producers, who would simply make monetary offers to their creators. Naturally there would be some thievery, but there has always been plenty of that going on. (A novel that I was lucky enough to see published thirty years ago had seventeen plot and character elements "borrowed" by a brainiac who used them in his own novel. I later found a newspaper story stating that the author liked to read novels during his train ride to work, and he "combined" some of them into his own. Oh, this person happened to be a lawyer, and the one I consulted informed me: "He knew what he was doing – the similarities are just a wee bit tenuous to file a lawsuit.")

In the open market, a great screenplay by an unknown talent might command a lot more money than it does now, while all the inane junk would command far less than current scale. As in any free market, equilibrium would automatically settle in, and the goods in question – in this case written words – would fetch what the market deems they are worth, and not the arbitrary minimums that are demanded by the WGA cartel. Whenever a market is freed, these always emerge: more, better and cheaper.

November 6, 2007

Without the WGA a writer would get far less than for all their scripts until a great number of years down the road when they've finally earned respect. You really think the studios would give a writer a fair price for their script. The studios don't even want to give a extra 4 cents for a DVD and a small percentage of the profits they make off online viewings of these shows, yeah they're gonna give writers a great price for their scripts. The great screenplay by an unknown writer would probably fetch a bag of peanuts without the WGA.
 
I dont like unions and I dont think its fair that for some writers to get work, you are forced to join the WGA....I think if a writer wants to negotiate their own rate and royalties that option should be available, or if they want to join the wga, thats fine but it shouldnt be the only option
 
why is it that some people just don't like unions?
I understand that unions have both good and bad elements, but overall, unions have helped develop workers' rights throughout the world
without unions, big companies would screw workers even more
 
And without the WGA, the writers would have negotiate individually with the studios. It would be a losing battle for the writers since the studios have always viewed the writers as individually replaceable. There's strength in numbers, so it's harder to replace an entire group of writers. That way, the writers don't have to put their jobs on the line just to negotiate.
 
And without the WGA, the writers would have negotiate individually with the studios. It would be a losing battle for the writers since the studios have always viewed the writers as individually replaceable. There's strength in numbers, so it's harder to replace an entire group of writers. That way, the writers don't have to put their jobs on the line just to negotiate.
but you have to take into account those who say things like "it's their fault for picking that profession"
 
And no puts a gun to people's head to watch entertainment. People act like they own tv...networks and studios don't give a **** about the viewers. Like I said I hope the strike last a year...that would be beautiful:o
 
but you have to take into account those who say things like "it's their fault for picking that profession"

So they can say that, and it simply shows that they don't have a valid point
 
Perhaps the strike will last long enough that people might be interested in doing something different...like reading a friggin' book or heaven forbid, go outside. (The light only burns for a minute or two.)
 
Perhaps the strike will last long enough that people might be interested in doing something different...like reading a friggin' book or heaven forbid, go outside. (The light only burns for a minute or two.)

I love this argument, what makes you think people aren't reading books as well, remember the Harry Potter mania this summer? Also it's too cold this time of year to go outside, at least it is in Chicago where I live.
 
It buuuuuuuuuuuurns, it buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurns
 
I dont like unions and I dont think its fair that for some writers to get work, you are forced to join the WGA....I think if a writer wants to negotiate their own rate and royalties that option should be available, or if they want to join the wga, thats fine but it shouldnt be the only option

I don't care for unions either, in theory. They were a necessary part of our economic history back in their conception at the industrial age when people were being completely abused and taken advantage of, even children, but now it seems the pendulum has swung and so many unions are themselves guilty of strongarm tactics and dirty politics.

However, in thi case I do understand it.

What most people who are against the writers seem to be failing to understand is .. OTHER PEOPLE ARE ALREADY PROFITING HANDSOMELY from the WRITERS WORK. It's these other people (the studios/networks) who are being greedy, not the writers. The writers are simply asking to be paid for their own work. How is this controversial? EVERYBODY else is profiting from their work, but when they ask for a little of that compensation that everyone else is already getting, some consider them demanding whiners who should chose a different career. :huh: I think it's perfectly understandable that they want to be paid for work, in any form, even forms that don't currently exist. I can't find anything greedy or unreasonable about that.
 

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