Civil War What are the rosters going to be?

[Adversary]

It's a Cap movie, so more than likely his side will be seen as the right one by default. Tony Stark will be an antagonist, but he should at least come off as reasonable.

The problem with the comic version is that it goes from being a civil ideological debate into a witch hunt against anyone who didn't register. That's what happens when you get over 40 different creative teams working on a story in a short amount of time.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Hang the noise that both sides should be treated fairly, or that thinking Cap is right should be a choice. Cap deserves better than being brought down to a level where Stark can look reasonable in comparison. Certainly in his own and last film.

 

[Ironfan72]

Whether it's Cap movie or not it is still based on civil war from the comics and both sides had legitimate reasons for choosing their sides, as I said earlier neither side is more right or more wrong, but you as a movie going should be able to see either sides reasons and say yeah I can see why they choose this side.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Whether it's Cap movie or not it is still based on civil war from the comics and both sides had legitimate reasons for choosing their sides, as I said earlier neither side is more right or more wrong, but you as a movie going should be able to see either sides reasons and say yeah I can see why they choose this side.

It is still a Cap movie following two Cap movies. It should go without saying that the story should be geared to serve him.

The fact that they chose Civil War is just unfortunate, not the least because it wasn't very well written.

The fact that Zemo is involved heavily hints that it'll end up being a case of the devil made them do it. And they'll probably team up against him. So, a cop out.

 

[ChrisTinnef]

As your discussions are slightly off-topic from the original question, here is what I think the rosters are gonna look like:

PRO-GOVERNMENTAL OVERSIGHT
Iron Man
War Machine
Scarlet Witch (because of what already was stated in this thread)
Maria Hill (aka Tony's secretary)

CONTRA
Captain America
Black Widow
Falcon
(basically the TWS-Gang)

Then we have Hawkeye and Vision, who I can't really place because we don't know what their stand really is. Probably Hawkeye is contra because of SHYDRA and Vision is pro because of the same motive as Scarlet Witch. But that's only guessing. BTW, do we have confirmation yet that Cheadle, Olsen and Bettany are in the movie?

Also, Black Panther and Spider-Man are gonna fit in somewhere - but no idea about that. Fury could show up, and there is still the possibility that Coulson and SHIELD could re-emerge in Civil War.

 

[CaptainWagner]

I think Cap's position will be portrayed as more right than Stark's will be (it is HIS movie afterall), but I don't think Stark will be an outright villain. That role goes to Zemo, and is why he is in the movie. So that Iron Man is NOT turned into an outright villain.

I think both sides will start out reasonably, but Zemo will keep pushing more and more towards "utopian totalitarianisim", ultimately causing a split between him and Tony, who is then forced to work with Cap to stop Zemo.

 

[Protar]

Also, Black Panther and Spider-Man are gonna fit in somewhere - but no idea about that. Fury could show up, and there is still the possibility that Coulson and SHIELD could re-emerge in Civil War.

Black Panther will imo take on Spidey's role from the comics. Sides with Stark initially and reveals his identity - with the shock being that a major world leader is secretly a superhero - but then defects as Stark's methods become too extreme.

Spiderman was written in late, so I expect he will just be a cameo, rather than taking sides. Stark might try to arrest him and/or Cap will try to enlist him to his side, but ultimately not much from Spiderman.

I expect Fury will be anti-reg and provide Cap with some underground bunker to hide out in. Coulson's return to the big screen seemed unlikely with Whedon (who still considers him functionally dead in the films), but as he's leaving I think it's high time for Coulson to be revealed as alive to the cinematic audience (and the Avengers). He'd be pro-reg.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Spidey wasn't written in late, they already had a script with him in it. I'd say it's a safe bet he'll have more than a cameo.

 

[Protar]

Spidey wasn't written in late, they already had a script with him in it. I'd say it's a safe bet he'll have more than a cameo.

Source for that? Pretty much everything I've read says he'll just have a small cameo. At most something akin to Quicksilver's role in DOFP. A one scene wonder. I wouldn't expect him to have anything approaching his comicbook role (which also doesn't make sense when he's brand new.).

 

[CaptainWagner]

Source for that? Pretty much everything I've read says he'll just have a small cameo. At most something akin to Quicksilver's role in DOFP. A one scene wonder. I wouldn't expect him to have anything approaching his comicbook role (which also doesn't make sense when he's brand new.).

Leaked Sony emails which were in accordance with Fiege's later comments about having two plans, one with and one without Spidey. I'll try and find the leaks.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Pro-Registration
Iron Man
War Machine (Tony's long time friend isn't going against him)
Vision (former JARVIS isn't going against him)
Maria Hill (Like in the comics)
Ant-Man (will be in place of Pym in the comics)

Anti-Registration
Captain America
Black Widow
Falcon
Hawkeye

Black Panther and Scarlet Witch are still up in the air, though I could see them being Anti-Reg.

Spider-Man if he is in it could be on both sides like the comics.

 

[DoubleO88]

I think Vision will go against IM, even just to emphasise just how much he's NOT Jarvis anymore. And he's already in Cap's new Avengers, they would probably have gone on a ton of missions together before Civil War kicks off.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Early reports are saying Vision will side with Iron Man. Which makes sense, someone as powerful as Vision would realize super-humans need to be regulated.

 

[MbJ]

I really don't see Spider-Man having a huge role.

And I don't think the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. will appear either. Again, reintroducing Coulson to the Avengers and having them respond to his resurrection and whatnot would be time consuming.

 

[Protar]

I'm a bit miffed they didn't take the time to reveal Coulson's survival in AoU.

 

[BoredGuy]

yeah I dont really buy the idea it would take up a ton of time
it could be a simple little scene, either in AoU or Civil War:

Coulson: "Hello, gentlemen"
Stark: "Phil. Phil?"
Coulson: "Fury thought you might need my help"
Rogers: "Why am I not surprised"

Then maybe in a later scene you'd have to have Natasha give him a big hug or something and Thor gives him a manly Norse handshake and a "Son of Coul, good to see you've returned from the halls of Valhalla"

so a grand total of, what, 30 seconds of exposition, and the audience is caught up
everyone knows Fury does shady s***, doesn't need much explaining

 

[The_Manhunter]

I'm a bit miffed they didn't take the time to reveal Coulson's survival in AoU.

[BLACKOUT]I would have liked to have him be in the Helicarrier[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Protar]

[BLACKOUT]I would have liked to have him be in the Helicarrier[/BLACKOUT]

Spoiler

The farm scenes would have been the perfect lull in the action to reveal him. Just slot in Coulson in place of Fury.

 

[Caboose]

Early reports are saying Vision will side with Iron Man. Which makes sense, someone as powerful as Vision would realize super-humans need to be regulated.

I would think Vision's philosophy on life in AoU indicates the opposite.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

Vision and Wanda can not be on the same team that isn't fair lol Unless Tony's bleeding edge armor is op.

 

[cph9fa]

I read a suggestion somewhere that Vision might voluntarily "sit out" of the CW, akin to Dr. Strange in the comics. I could totally see that happening.

 

[Protar]

The rumours I've seen are that Vision will side with Stark. However honestly what we've seen of him so far suggests that he'll mostly sit out. Imo it's possible he doesn't so much side with Stark as much as we see his romance with Scarlet Witch blossom (who will be with Stark). So indirectly he'll be with Stark.

 

[CaptainWagner]

I really doubt Wanda will side with Stark after her comments about him being "willing to destroy the world to save it".

 

[DrCosmic]

It would be really dumb of Scarlet Witch and Vision to side with Stark, based on their experiences with Stark and his kid and their full understanding of Stark's misguided attempts to save the world.

ANTI-REGULATION: The New Avengers
Captain America
Black Widow
Vision - Will be removed from the board pretty quickly
Scarlet Witch
War Machine (has fought IM before over the same issue, they just both traded sides and now Tony is fighting for government control and Rhodey is fighting against it)
Falcon (I do what he does, just slower).

PRO-REGULATION:
Tony Stark - Driven by guilt but championed as the hero who saved Jo Burg from the Hulk. Doesn't see a difference between saving the world and destroying it.
Agent 13 - Love interest for Cap, may be a spy for Stark at first, will have change of heart due to that relationship.
Crossbones - This will be Stark's "mutant Thor clone," a desperate move he pulls out when Cap has him on the rocks, and Crossbones will kill someone.
Spider-Man - Poor kid. At least, until Cap gets through to him.
Outside chance: Iron Avengers. A smaller, specialized Iron Legion. Or a set of Veronica's, one for every Avenger.

WILD CARDS:
Black Panther - When asked during the reveal, said BP does his own thing, I suspect that's true, it's certainly faithful. Will likely side with Cap in the end.
Baron Zemo - The actual manipulator who uses the conflict to hide his own larger plan
Winter Soldier - Really on Cap's team, but will be a kind of sixth ranger.

 

[Supa]

With Cap:
Scarlet Witch, given that she does NOT like Tony. I can't imagine that changed, especially considering what his robot did in his Quinjet...
Falcon
Black Widow
Hawkeye probably comes with.

With Iron Man:
War Machine, works with the Government after all.
Vision, supports Tony having someone to keep him in check, after everything that happened.
Bucky, probably still a mercenary, plus it'll **** everyone up.
Black Panther, maybe. He is a ruler of a country.

Not sure with Spidey. Maybe he starts out with Stark and switches. Also not sure with Zemo and Crossbones. There could also be a case of adaptional heroism. Maybe not for Zemo, but I could see Crossbones being an antihero or something.