What if the ALIEN franchise had gone differently?

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The first Alien, directed by Ridley Scott, was a landmark of horror and sci-fi filmmaking. James Cameron's follow-up Aliens, became a textbook model of a pitch-perfect sequel. After that, things got dodgy.

Alien 3 hit all kinds of disasters before the cameras even rolled. Cracked.com's David Wong says:
http://www.cracked.com/article_15631_10-best-sci-fi-films-never-made.html
#10. The "Real" Alien 3
The most excited I've ever been about a movie was the moment I saw the first Alien 3 "teaser" trailer in 1991 (Teasers are shot well before the movie itself is finished filming.). It's the one that promised the aliens were coming to freaking Earth.

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No, I didn't dream it. They really did show that trailer (they even have a copy of it HERE), having sent it to theaters before they had even started production on the movie.
Visions of awesomeness flashed through my head, a Blade Runner-ish Earth with sprawling, filthy buildings, huge, flashing billboards with giant Asian women on them, eat-up flying cars whooshing by and steam always rising from the streets for some reason. Then, the aliens start breeding in the sewers until the creatures come boiling up out of manholes by the hundreds, to be cut to pieces by Marines with pulse rifles and maybe in the climax, the Army has to nuke the city ...
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"This movie can't possibly not be awesome!" I said to my little friend John at the time. "This is gonna make Aliens look like ET! I hope it's directed by the guy who will in the future direct Fight Club!"
A year and 30 ****ing screenplays later (including this rejected script by William Gibson), they came up with the movie that killed the franchise, then squatted over the face of the corpse and farted.
They had stumbled through concept after concept, built sets, torn them down, filmed scenes, thrown them away, fired directors and fired crew. When Sigourney Weaver held out for more money, they wrote scripts without her, when she came back, they did rewrites to cram her back into the story. Very late in the game, they brought in a young director named David Fincher--whose only experience was with Madonna videos--to start shooting after most of the budget had already been scattered to the wind like parade confetti.
What squeezed out the other end of the development's digestive tract was a movie that, just seconds in, meaninglessly kills off the three characters Ripley spent the last film saving. The hundreds of aliens were replaced with one small alien dog.
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The vast, futuristic landscape was replaced by one dim, dirty building. The frantic gunfights were replaced by scenes of identical, bald cast members staring quietly at the wall. The main character commits suicide at the end.

So what happened?
Budget, mostly. My Alien 3 would have cost twice what Aliens did, with its sprawling sets and swarms of animatronic creatures (remember CGI effects were new and still very expensive in 1991). At the end of all that I'd have an R-rated sci-fi film with almost no chance of making back its budget (Aliens only made about $85 million, $150 million if you adjust for inflation).
So, they settled for this stripped-down version on a budget of $50 million, filmed in an abandoned lead factory. Then, they watched as fanboys like me piled into the theater on opening day anyway.
This is why they're rich film executives, and I live in my car.

And over on dvdactive.com, the Alien franchise was first on Marcus' list of 10 Franchises That Deserve Better
http://www.dvdactive.com/editorial/articles/the-ten-franchises-that-deserve-better.html
It seems so long ago that the Alien franchise provided us with something to be proud of. After three classic movies (I consider Alien 3 to be just as classic as the first two), the franchise took a mighty fall with Alien Resurrection, which to this day is almost impossible for me to watch without feeling a little sick.

Alien Resurrection brings about some of the most age-old of franchise mistakes: the inclusion of clones, gene splicing, hybrids, and replacing previous great characters with generic ones. Pretty much everything they threw at us with this instalment was everything the franchise didn’t need.

After Resurrection our much loved aliens had a bit of a hiatus from the movie screens, but finally returned in Aliens vs. Predator and an indication that the once respected Alien franchise wasn’t being that well cared for any more. Now I’m not denying that the modern tech to show off the aliens wasn’t a nice upgrade for the franchise and I’ll also say that seeing Lance Henrikson turn up in anything, especially an Alien movie, is more than welcome, but this was just nonsense. An ice pyramid built in ancient times to test young predators? A Queen alien left on ice for years? Facehugger to chestburster gestation in what seemed to be only a few hours? Seriously, what? And what’s worse is this is all on set on Earth.

All of this nonsense raises the question of why the studio didn’t adapt the great original Dark Horse comic books of the classic team up? Why did they think this avenue was a better option for the franchise? Then AVP2 arrived and it made AVP1 look almost passable in comparison. This sequel systematically destroyed any hope I had left that either the Alien or Predator franchises would ever produce anything of worth ever again. This may as well have been called “Generic Horror Sequel” because any of the greatness from the original Aliens movies were gone. These nasty alien bugs deserve so much more.

Reboot Status: Thankfully there’s been nothing about an AVP 3 (so far), but as usual there are the continued rumblings of Ridley Scott wanting to give it another shot with stories ranging from prequels of the Derelict from the original movie to even another Ripley fronted adventure. We can only hope something this epic comes to be... and that it spurs James Cameron on to do another one too.
So the Alien franchise is still an active development, even though it is largely a shadow if it's 30-year-old self.


So I've been thinking, given the above analysis and what we know now, if you could start with Alien Part 3, how would you want to handle the story and the franchise differently to properly fulfill your dreams of geek-sci-fi-horror greatness?
 
just seconds in, meaninglessly kills off the three characters Ripley spent the last film saving.
This was the beginning of the end for me. I was like wtf!
 
That was the best part. And it's the whole point of this series. The Alien is a nightmare she can never escape from.

I'm glad we got a darker, more Alien like movie, then Aliens 2.
 
"What if?" Didn't happen, deal with reality of what did and stop dreaming about what is not.
 
What squeezed out the other end of the development's digestive tract was a movie that, just seconds in, meaninglessly kills off the three characters Ripley spent the last film saving.

That killed it for me.
 
i didnt believe it at first while watching the movie.... kept thinking it was all just some hypersleep dream lol
 
That was the best part. And it's the whole point of this series. The Alien is a nightmare she can never escape from.

I'm glad we got a darker, more Alien like movie, then Aliens 2.

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For all its production issues, "Alien 3" kicked ass! It actually had the nerve to tell the audience "Hey y'know those great characters you came to love in 'Aliens'...well guess what, this isn't a f**king fairy tale with a happy ending!!!" and it then proceeded to give us one of most haunting main title sequences I've seen in a contemporary science fiction film.

That film didn't take any prisoners, man...I wish films today had guts and stones like that!

For all intents and purposes, I think the 'Alien' franchise is one of the few that hasn't burnt itself too badly in the threequel/fourth film department. 'Alien 3' is awesome (especially the assembly cut) and 'Alien: Resurrection' was...well...okay, though the newborn concept (*cough* gimmick *cough*) threw me when I first saw it.

But each film is commanded by a terrific director and a great character in Ripley...the worldview, the design and aesthetic of the overall piece.

I think it all rocks.

And most would agree...especially since there's so much desire for a 5th film.
 
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For all its production issues, "Alien 3" kicked ass! It actually had the nerve to tell the audience "Hey y'know those great characters you came to love in 'Aliens'...well guess what, this isn't a f**king fairy tale with a happy ending!!!" and it then proceeded to give us one of most haunting main title sequences I've seen in a contemporary science fiction film.

That film didn't take any prisoners, man...I wish films today had guts and stones like that!

For all intents and purposes, I think the 'Alien' franchise is one of the few that hasn't burnt itself too badly in the threequel/fourth film department. 'Alien 3' is awesome (especially the assembly cut) and 'Alien: Resurrection' was...well...okay, though the newborn concept (*cough* gimmick *cough*) threw me when I first saw it.

But each film is commanded by a terrific director and a great character in Ripley...the worldview, the design and aesthetic of the overall piece.

I think it all rocks.

And most would agree...especially since there's so much desire for a 5th film.


I kind of wonder what would have happened if the Company had gotten their hands on the Alien, for however briefly...the bungling military of Resurrection didn't have that all-knowing, all-consuming menace Weyland-Yutani did. Bought out by Wal-mart, my ass.

I think the only thing this franchise did poorly was become too comfortable with its title creature, not exploring or expanding upon its origins or lifecycles very much (would have been great to see a variation on Ridley's life-cycle...whatever that might have been, or exploring a different hierachy than a beehive).

And you know, having Woodruff and Gillis design the creatures. Wow, their designs sucked hard. The Alien got progressively uglier from movie to movie, and not in a good way.
 
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I really like the Alien 3 score by Elliot Goldenthal and to think he did the crappy themes for Batman Forever and B&R.
 
if they didnt do the stupid mouth within a mouth alien, that wouldve been nice. i just remembering laughing with the tiny jaw shot out of the alien.
 
Giger's artwork for Alien is so beautiful, it has its place in museum now.
 
I really like the Alien 3 score by Elliot Goldenthal and to think he did the crappy themes for Batman Forever and B&R.

Oh I thought his 'Batman' theme was fine...if anything it's certainly more memorable and catchy than Zimmer and Howard's pulsating material for the Nolan films (even though that was decent to when it got somewhat refined and expanded upon in "Dark Knight")

But funny thing...others might need to help me confirm this...

I think a cue from the "Alien 3" score is used in "Batman Forever."

The cue when a group of the Fury inmates attempt to rape Sigourney is also used when Dick Grayson drives the Batmobile towards the alley to help the girl and fight the neon street gang.
 
Oh I thought his 'Batman' theme was fine...if anything it's certainly more memorable and catchy than Zimmer and Howard's pulsating material for the Nolan films (even though that was decent to when it got somewhat refined and expanded upon in "Dark Knight")

But funny thing...others might need to help me confirm this...

I think a cue from the "Alien 3" score is used in "Batman Forever."

The cue when a group of the Fury inmates attempt to rape Sigourney is also used when Dick Grayson drives the Batmobile towards the alley to help the girl and fight the neon street gang.
I'd have to rent Alien 3 to confirm that.
 
if they didnt do the stupid mouth within a mouth alien, that wouldve been nice. i just remembering laughing with the tiny jaw shot out of the alien.

Oh my ****ing jesus christ....stop this failing this instant. :dry:
 
Somebody thinks Alien 3 was a classic?

As I've said before it's not as bad as some make it out to be but it is far from being a classic. The movie was a thrown together mess and the final product shows that fact.
 
Although I read this a few days ago I'm deciding to comment on that article and call horse **** on that guy. All because of this quote. Also, someone correct me if I read it wrong but to me it sounds obvious...yet full of BS.

"This movie can't possibly not be awesome!" I said to my little friend John at the time. "This is gonna make Aliens look like ET! I hope it's directed by the guy who will in the future direct Fight Club!"

Aliens 3 came out in 1992, Fight Club came out in 1999. No way in hell back before '92 when Alien 3 was still being talked about/set up did anyone have any clue David Fincher would end up directing Fight Club nearly 7-8 years later. What is this guy talking about?!?
 
Alien 3 is no classic, but the extended cut is great. I love it. Perfect cap to the series.


Res was just fun fluff.
 
Love Alien3 extended cut here too. Resurrection is ****ing terrible.

although complete crap it had action... whereas alien3 was just a complete bore.

even the orange tint the movie had made it even more bland
 
I have to join in on the Alien 3 bandwagon. Love the film, especially the assembly cut. I'm hoping one day Fincher will make a true director's cut, but it seems highly unlikely.
 
Alien 3 was more like Alien. Which is a good thing. Aliens was a great film...but i'm glad it didnt become a huge action franchise....I do miss that sexual space rapist though...they need to go back to that.
 

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