What next for the WWE, does it have a reason to exist?

[Spider-Bite]

Pro wrestling is entertainment.
It's no different than a show that we watch on TV.
It's all fake, yet we all still watch them.

Besides, wrestling promotes (other than wrestling or actual fighting) no less violence than a good number of TV shows on TV today.

There is a difference between watching a movie with a well thought out plot, good dialogue, good character development, and good fight scenes and watching two guys act the way they do on Wrestling.

I really dont' believe that a kid watching Spider-Man pull two kids out of the way of a bus, and risking his own life to save others has the exact same effect as watching two guys insult and fight each other just for the sake of insulting and fighting each other.

I feel that wrestling promotes the "idiot male" syndrome.

 

[Warhammer]

There is a difference between watching a movie with a well thought out plot, good dialogue, good character development, and good fight scenes and watching two guys act the way they do on Wrestling.

I really dont' believe that a kid watching Spider-Man pull two kids out of the way of a bus, and risking his own life to save others has the exact same effect as watching two guys insult and fight each other just for the sake of insulting and fighting each other.

I feel that wrestling promotes the "idiot male" syndrome.

That has no relevance on the promotion of violence.
Violence is violence. If you compared WWE to The Exorcist (which was one of the best films of all-time, yet very gory/disturbing and contains explicit language), which one is more violent?

Wrestling only promotes "idiot male" syndrome is the person watching it is so stupid, that they can't separate fiction from reality.

 

[Whirlysplat]

Mood swings are quite a difference from total personality switching.

Umm, actually the long term psychological effects of long term steroid use are becoming more and more obvious. Whilst it may also be true that they exacerbate already existing predispositions. Some of these long term user effects may happen or continue after the person has stopped using, these include but are not limited to seeing or hearing things that aren't there (hallucinations) and extreme feelings of mistrust or fear (paranoia) either of which can be part of a schitzophrenic syndrome.

There is a difference between watching a movie with a well thought out plot, good dialogue, good character development, and good fight scenes and watching two guys act the way they do on Wrestling.



I really dont' believe that a kid watching Spider-Man pull two kids out of the way of a bus, and risking his own life to save others has the exact same effect as watching two guys insult and fight each other just for the sake of insulting and fighting each other.



I feel that wrestling promotes the "idiot male" syndrome.

agreed.

 

[ArmyDragon92A]

There is a difference between watching a movie with a well thought out plot, good dialogue, good character development, and good fight scenes and watching two guys act the way they do on Wrestling.

I really dont' believe that a kid watching Spider-Man pull two kids out of the way of a bus, and risking his own life to save others has the exact same effect as watching two guys insult and fight each other just for the sake of insulting and fighting each other.

I feel that wrestling promotes the "idiot male" syndrome.

You're using horrible bias.

 

[ArmyDragon92A]

Umm, actually the long term psychological effects of long term steroid use are becoming more and more obvious. Whilst it may also be true that they exacerbate already existing predispositions. Some of these long term user effects may happen or continue after the person has stopped using, these include but are not limited to seeing or hearing things that aren't there (hallucinations) and extreme feelings of mistrust or fear (paranoia) either of which can be part of a schitzophrenic syndrome.



agreed.

This comes with the use of all anabolic?

 

[Whirlysplat]

You're using horrible bias.

Not at all, these are associated risks.

 

[Spider-Bite]

That has no relevance on the promotion of violence.

I know that. But it does have relevance to my original statement of how I thought it was for stupid people. Now I'm not saying every fan of wrestling is stupid, it's just my theoretical concensus as to the general population. I did say I might be wrong. I just think that if you averaged all their IQ's together it would be much lower than the national average. And I'm talking about adults. I think the show mostly appears to children and dumb adults.

Violence is violence. If you compared WWE to The Exorcist (which was one of the best films of all-time, yet very gory/disturbing and contains explicit language), which one is more violent?

I don't think I watched the excorcist, however giving kids nightmares doesn't automatically promote violence. Of course giving kids nightmares is something that shouldn't be done, and I'm not advocating that theatres let 7 year olds into R-rated movies.

Wrestling only promotes "idot male" syndrome is the person watching it is so stupid, that they can't separate fiction from reality.

You just described half the population which is the problem.

 

[Spider-Bite]

You're using horrible bias.

No I'm not. Guys look up to them and figure "I have to act stupid and tough, because it's the manly thing to do."

 

[Whirlysplat]

This comes with the use of all anabolic?

Long term use of steroids appears to be linked with these syndromes and no not many people get these particular side effects in fact it's a small percentage. Most people who have juiced and those around them will tell you of people they know who have suffered these type of things as well as changes to there own behaviours. I used to feel invincible when stacking Sust 25o, Nandralone and Oxy's, the thing is why was I taking the Nandralone on that stack? At the time I actually knew so little. It was adding nothing. Juice tends to exacerbate intrinsic characteristics. It may be a certain profile of individual is more likely to use them. Perhaps low self esteem or over competitive or even bullies are more likely to use them. I wouldn't like to judge which group of users I fell into.

 

[ArmyDragon92A]

Not at all, these are associated risks.

Comparing Spider-Man and the WWE and saying "This one has heroic violence, and this one has entertaining violence" is ridiculous. They're both designed for ENTERTAINMENT. Period. Point Blank. End of Story.

 

[Warhammer]

I know that. But it does have relevance to my original statement of how I thought it was for stupid people. Now I'm not saying every fan of wrestling is stupid, it's just my theoretical concensus as to the general population. I did say I might be wrong. I just think that if you averaged all their IQ's together it would be much lower than the national average.

"Stupid people" is an opinion.
So smart people don't watch wrestling? I bet all people who watch football, but don't watch Dateline or CBS Evening News all have lower IQ's, eh? What happened to just wanting to watch wrestling because it's entertaining? I guess that's because if you have an IQ over 100, it's automatically stupid?

I don't think I watched the excorcist, however giving kids nightmares doesn't automatically promote violence. Of course giving kids nightmares is something that shouldn't be done, and I'm not advocating that theatres let 7 year olds into R-rated movies.

That movie was a very violent. Even people who weren't afraid of it have to admit that it was more violent than wrestling.

You just described half the population which is the problem.

Half the population?
Either you are being dead serious, or you actually think that highly of yourself.

 

[Warhammer]

No I'm not. Guys look up to them and figure "I have to act stupid and tough, because it's the manly thing to do."

No, that is stupid. What man seriously does that?
You are beginning to sound like a feminist.

 

[ArmyDragon92A]

Long term use of steroids appears to be linked with these syndromes and no not many people get these particular side effects in fact it's a small percentage. Most people who have juiced and those around them will tell you of people they know who have suffered these type of things as well as changes to there own behavious. I used to feel invincible when stacking Sust 25o, Nandralone and Oxy's, the thing is why was I taking the Nandralone on that stack? At the time I actually knew so little. It was adding nothing. Juice tends to exacerbate intrinsic characteristics. It may be a certain profile of individual is more likely to use them. Perhaps low self esteem or over competitive or even bullies are more likely to use them. I wouldn't like to judge which group of users I fell into.

Any sites with more info on the chemical and molecular properties of the ones you've mentioned? I'm an obsessive chemist.

 

[ArmyDragon92A]

No, that is stupid. What man seriously does that?
You are beginning to sound like a feminist.

Thats not just stupid. Thats plain ignorant. If you go up to a WWE fan and tell them that, they'll laugh at you while playing their WWE RAW on the PS3 or Xbox360.

 

[Whirlysplat]

Comparing Spider-Man and the WWE and saying "This one has heroic violence, and this one has entertaining violence" is ridiculous. They're both designed for ENTERTAINMENT. Period. Point Blank. End of Story.

I never did this. I do see the persons point. Violence portrayed by a group of juicing thugs is very different to that in comics or movies.

 

[Whirlysplat]

Any sites with more info on the chemical and molecular properties of the ones you've mentioned? I'm an obsessive chemist.

Probably. I mean things like the addition of methyl groups at carbon 17 etc. are how steroids tend to be molecularly altered from testosterone. Of course cholesterol is often used as the base as it is a precursor to many hormones.

 

[Ghostvirus]

Actually paranoia caused by steroids can last a lot longer than 3 days and need medication to control it after Steroid use has stopped. I never experienced it as a user myself but I know one person who did and mentioned it somewhere on here, possibly in the fitness thread. Strangely that individuals behaviour was not unlike Benoit in the incident I highlighted long before this case, he stabbed his wife (not killing her) in front of their son.



Yes it is "entertaining". Davey Boy Smith, Owen Hart, Mr. Perfect etc. etc. no, not really!

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/Benoit/2007/06/29/4300840-ap.html

Stabbed his wife?! What is the story with that. Please do tell.

 

[ArmyDragon92A]

I never did this. I do see the persons point. Violence portrayed by a group of juicing thugs is very different to that in comics or movies.

No it's not. Kane was in "See No Evil" Very entertaining popcorn flick. He was MORE violent in that than he EVER was in the ring. Kevin Nash was in Punisher as the Russian being MORE brutal than he ever was in the ring. How in the world can you honestly compare the two and say one is negative and the other is not? It's widely known that it's entertainment. It's made purely for such. And they speak this as fact all the damn time.

 

[Whirlysplat]

No it's not. Kane was in "See No Evil" Very entertaining popcorn flick. He was MORE violent in that than he EVER was in the ring. Kevin Nash was in Punisher as the Russian being MORE brutal than he ever was in the ring. How in the world can you honestly compare the two and say one is negative and the other is not? It's widely known that it's entertainment. It's made purely for such. And they speak this as fact all the damn time.

The use of a wrestler as an actor in a film and the premise for the WWE is very different, one is plot driven, the other is a plot tagged onto promote the violence of the protagonists.

 

[Spider-Bite]

"Stupid people" is an opinion.

So smart people don't watch wrestling? I bet all people who watch football, but don't watch Dateline or CBS Evening News all have lower IQ's, eh? What happened to just wanting to watch wrestling because it's entertaining? I guess that's because if you have an IQ over 100, it's automatically stupid?

I didn't say "all." I said many. Part of why I feel that way is whenever I see it I just cringe at the cheapness of it.

That movie was a very violent. Even people who weren't afraid of it have to admit that it was more violent than wrestling.

so what? that doesn't mean children think they are going to be evil spirits.

Half the population?
Either you are being dead serious, or you actually think that highly of yourself.

I think the human race is quite often ignorant and headed for extinction.

No, that is stupid. What man seriously does that?
You are beginning to sound like a feminist.

A lot of time feminists have good points. Stastically speaking all over the world, women are less likely to commit acts of violence, support war, or support the death penalty then men.

And a lot of men do that. How could you not know that? What have you been living under a rock your whole life?

 

[Whirlysplat]

Stabbed his wife?! What is the story with that. Please do tell.

The guy concerned was a friend of mine he was also a very serious amateur bodybuilder. He had been unemployed for a number of years and lived in a council house, despite this he was intelligent and articulate and always seemed to have money (because he was selling gear). One day I was at the gym and I heard he had been arrested the previous night for stabbing his wife. It turned out he was on prescription medication for"low mood" and had had a number of episodes previously. Believe it or not he even told the Doctor the weak previously, "he was not taking his medication and his wife was annoying him" and yet he was not sectioned on the spot. Given his size and strength and the fact it took six Policemen to get the cuffs on him this might have made sense. I could go into more detail but the incident upset me and was a prime reason in my giving up the gear.

 

[ArmyDragon92A]

The use of a wrestler as an actor in a film and the premise for the WWE is very different, one is plot driven, the other is a plot tagged onto promote the violence of the protagonists.

Uhm, what? It's a plot to promote the competition between WRESTLERS.

You're starting to sound like one of the people *****ing about Grand Theft Auto and how it promotes murdering cops and other factions of law enforcement.

 

[Whirlysplat]

Uhm, what? It's a plot to promote the competition between WRESTLERS.

You're starting to sound like one of the people *****ing about Grand Theft Auto and how it promotes murdering cops and other factions of law enforcement.

Some people are sensitised to violence. It's been established the WWE is mainly watched by kids in this thread already as a number of posters felt they grew out of it.

 

[Ghostvirus]

The guy concerned was a friend of mine he was also a very serious amateur bodybuilder. He had been unemployed for a number of years and lived in a council house, despite this he was intelligent and articulate and always seemed to have money (because he was selling gear). One day I was at the gym and I heard he had been arrested the previous night for stabbing his wife. It turned out he was on prescription medication for"low mood" and had had a number of episodespreviously. Believe it or not he even told the Doctor the weak previously he was not taking his medication and his wife was annoying him and yet he was not sectioned on the spot. Given his size and strength and the fact it took six Policemen to get the cuffs on him this might have made sense. I could go into more detail but the incident upset me and was a prime reason in my giving up the gear.

Damn, that sucks.

Sounds like it had more to do with Anit-depressants than Steroids.

 

[ArmyDragon92A]

Some people are sensitised to violence. It's been established the WWE is mainly watched by kids in this thread already as a number of posters felt they grew out of it.

If that were true? The fan base wouldnt be mostly males 23-60 and females 18-35.

You can't use this thread as a general analysis for the MILLIONS of fans WORLD WIDE. Are you insane?