What next for the WWE, does it have a reason to exist?

[Whirlysplat]

Pro wrestling's core audience is males, age 18-49.

You have an impartial source for this?

They buy all the action toys?

 

[BlackLantern]

It's actually from statement by both Linda McMahon (President of the WWE) and Vince McMahon (Chairman of the Board of Directors). When the company started skewing to an older audience in the late nineties, they announced a change in the target audience, hence the reason for the TV-14 rating and running programming on prime time as opposed to early afternoons.

 

[BlackLantern]

the 18-35 male demographic is the most sought after in this country

 

[Showtime]

Maybe you live in Stamford at WWE Headquarters...

 

[Whirlysplat]

Maybe you live in Stamford at WWE Headquarters...

It certainly seems possible doesn't it. Notice how I asked for impartial source and was given the Mcmahon philosophy. I would say the key demographic is those that want the lunchboxess, toys, action figures, where the real money is made. That's not adults between 14 and 35.

 

[Showtime]

It certainly seems possible doesn't it. Notice how I asked for impartial source and was given the Mcmahon philosophy. I would say the key demographic is those that want the lunchboxess, toys, action figures, where the real money is made. That's not adults between 14 and 35.

I'd have to do some research, but in my opinion early teens are still religiously watching wrestling and buying such product.

 

[Whirlysplat]

I'd have to do some research, but in my opinion early teens are still religiously watching wrestling and buying such product.

I agree totally with your opinion.

 

[BlackLantern]

i do live in Connecticut, but it's all public record considering the WWE is a publicly traded company. Actually most of the money generated is from overpriced merchandise sold at live events along with PPV revenue. I don't think they do lunchboxes anymore, do kids even have those anymore???

 

[Twitch]

the 18-35 male demographic is the most sought after in this country

more like 5-35 male demographic at least in WWE's case.

 

[BlackLantern]

The "target" demo is 18-35, but like i said in a previous post, those aren't the only people watching

 

[Whirlysplat]

more like 5-35 male demographic at least in WWE's case.

Yup, lots of children watch it almost certainly.

 

[BlackLantern]

So at what point do we start blaming parents for allowing their kids to watch such heinous and degrading programming? or do we just lay it all at the feet of the media, which is what the liberals in this country love to do?

 

[Whirlysplat]

So at what point do we start blaming parents for allowing their kids to watch such heinous and degrading programming? or do we just lay it all at the feet of the media, which is what the liberals in this country love to do?

Both and soon.

 

[Showtime]

The "target" demo is 18-35, but like i said in a previous post, those aren't the only people watching

I am suprised that is their target demo, but not suprised at the same time.

 

[BlackLantern]

18-35 males have the most "disposable" income of any group...or so the research says. That's why most of TV shoots for that group...sports, movies, so on

 

[Showtime]

18-35 males have the most "disposable" income of any group...or so the research says. That's why most of TV shoots for that group...sports, movies, so on

Movie demographics are usually aimed more towards 18-30, and the reason alot of those demographic studies are flawed is because some don't take into account the "parental factor". That parents are buying their early teens alot of this memorabilia, but it is what it is, that is how alot of these studies work.

 

[BlackLantern]

Maybe if irresponsible people stopped breeding, this wouldn't be an issue.

 

[Lantern Venom]

You have an impartial source for this?

They buy all the action toys?

""The second reason behind pro wrestling’s growth is its successful target marketing. Pro wrestling, and in particular the WWE, actively and successfully targets the coveted male 18-34 year old demographic, a demographic with a large amount of disposable income."
--The Sports Journal, 2003 (www.thesportjournal.org)

And I would certainly expect a comic book fan, who has no doubt seen the premium CB figures aimed at adults, to also understand that many of today's wrestling figures are aimed at collectors.

Now why don't you cite some credible research that says watching fictionalized characters get killed in comic book movies affects kids differently than seeing the fictionalized violence of wrestling.

 

[BlackLantern]

I watched Spider-Man 3 and I want Topher Grace's heart on a plate...should we not make comic book movies anymore????

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

I would have thought the 20-30 year old dynamic was the age range the WWF targeted.

 

[Lantern Venom]

I watched Spider-Man 3 and I want Topher Grace's heart on a plate...should we not make comic book movies anymore????

LOL!!! Nice.

The point I'm trying to show Whirly is that if wrestling's detractors are allowed to take it from the airwaves, much of the programming on TV would suffer the same fate because it's fictionalized violence just like WWE.

 

[Whirlysplat]

Ahh the difference between a comic movie and the WWE is how the WWE tries to blur realit for it's fans.

On August 18, 2003, from 9:00 pm until just after 11:00 pm, the specialty service TSN broadcast an episode of the WWE.


This episode, like many others, is a combination of wrestling matches interrupted by outside-the-ring and behind-the-scenes dramatic segments that, with the wrestling sequences, are woven to some extent into a story line for the whole episode. The episode started by naming, and showing pictures of, the wrestlers who would be competing that evening. Two of them were then shown with a model, Stacy, standing between them, following which the announcer advised that the winner would get “Stacy’s services for the night”. A visual announcement to this effect was also flashed on the screen.
Twelve minutes into the episode, Stacy was interrupted in the locker room by “Test” who used to be her previous “owner”. He began sweet-talking her but then changed his tone and advised her that, when he won, “I’m gonna treat you like the little **** you are.” At another moment, the announcer told the television audience that Test had mentally and physically abused Stacy in the past.
Then, almost 40 minutes later, Stacy was shown in the locker room with Test and two other wrestlers, who were urging her to dance. She begged Test not to force her to dance. He told her that she had to do it and helped her to stand up on the bench and dance. He then said to his pals, “Welcome to my lap dance party, boys” and informed his companions to keep their money because this one was on him. When she started to dance, partly facing the wrestlers, Test told her, “Turn your face around; nobody’s looking at that anyway.” They all then started clapping to accompany her dancing.
During another segment of the episode (which began in the second hour), the announcer talked to Linda, one of the customary WWE team, who had been injured and was staying at home. When her doorbell rang shortly after, Eric Bishoff, another of the regular WWE team, dressed in a suit came into the room and talked to her about his anger towards her son, an opponent wrestler. After the commercial break in the midst of the segment, Eric began coming on to Linda. As a part of his approach, he then twisted her arm, asked her to show him where the bedroom was, called her “the big breasted beauty”, said, “You’ll enjoy it so much more that way”, and kissed her against her will.
The segment that concerned the complainant in particular took place towards the end of the show. In an incident presaged by a scene an hour and a half earlier in the show, the later segment depicted a wrestler tied up and unconscious while another angry wrestler poured gasoline on him and stuffed his mouth with a cloth. When the “hostage” awoke, the angry rival lit a match, ostensibly threatening to put him on fire. The threat did not materialize.


On August 18, the complainant sent the following complaint to the CBSC, in which he described those aspects of the episode that had troubled him (the full text of all the correspondence in this file is included in the Appendix):

I run a Community home for 4 adult Downes syndrome [sic, Down Syndrome] men (typical 18 to 35 fans?) and they are addicted to WWF. I find the portrayal of women on the show to be demeaning to say the least and it appears to be getting worse as illustrated on the show of 18th Aug. suggestion [sic] of a striptease for hulking men in a locker room, but what really did upset me was the depiction of a graphic scene as follows. One wrestler is handcuffed by another angry wrestler and suspended from a contraption of some sort. He is then verbally abused, has a rag shoved in his mouth and this other creature then pores [sic] over him gasoline (at least that is what it said on the gerry can). He then continues to be offensive and lights a match with the obvious intent of immolating this wrestler but decides then not to. I find this an extraordinary example of gratuitous violence that should NOT be allowed on Canadian screens. Can this XXX rated depiction of violent behaviour be stopped, if not why not?


The Canadian Broadcast Standards Council has found that TSN=s broadcast of the WWE wrestling program on August 18, 2003 breached the provisions of the CAB Violence Code. By providing the appropriate number of viewer advisories in the video format but failing to provide them as well in the audio format, TSN breached the requirements of Article 5 of the Violence Code, which requires such information to be presented in both formats so that the audience can make the necessary viewing choices for themselves and their families. By failing to display the required 14+ classification icon at the start of and during the program, in accordance with the Canadian classification system, TSN breached the article of the Code requiring ratings information, which is also of assistance to viewers in deciding the suitability of the program for themselves and their families.

A typical day at the office for the WWE

I wonder if it is this kind of Mysogeny that programmed Benoit and Austin?

 

[BlackLantern]

well TSN is at fault there for not properly informing their audience of the content of the programming. It does air at 9:00 pm for a reason. As far as your situation, God Bless you for your patience and dedication to what you do. I can understand why your viewpoint is where it is, but untill some governing body decides that the WWE cant do what it does anymore, either change the channel or demand your television carrier not air the programming

 

[Strange]

I think everyone in the WWE should juice up and then they should have death matches.

 

[Whirlysplat]

I think everyone in the WWE should juice up and then they should have death matches.

Now that I would go pay per view for as it would entertainingly solve the problem!