What position would Cap take on torture?

[shapeshifter]

Except Supes did it with powers that are comparable to the silver surfer and cap did it with simple peak human ability.

cap was the grassroots superman.
i still say they would have gotten along

 

[PhotoJones]

What does "grassroots Superman" even mean?

 

[shapeshifter]

more in touch with the people and more based in the "real" world

 

[PhotoJones]

Oh. That's not what grassroots means, by the way.

 

[shapeshifter]

damn online encyclopedias. i should have known better

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I think Cap would be against it. He would be all "find another way" until his last breath. Nick Fury would then torture someone behind his back and Steve would be pissed when he found out, but he'd ultimately leave Nick alone because Nick's actions helped save the day.

 

[PhotoJones]

That's pretty much exactly how it would play out, yes.

 

[Darthphere]

I think Cap would be against it. He would be all "find another way" until his last breath. Nick Fury would then torture someone behind his back and Steve would be pissed when he found out, but he'd ultimately leave Nick alone because Nick's actions helped save the day.

So he would condone it. Case closed. Cap is a torturing son of a *****.

 

[PhotoJones]

I thought we already knew this?

 

[Darthphere]

Then why are we debating?

 

[PhotoJones]

We're bored?

 

[Darthphere]

Oh yeah.

 

[Aristotle]

Except Supes did it with powers that are comparable to the silver surfer and cap did it with simple peak human ability.

(1) Superman is not remotely on the Surfer's power level. (2) Captain America lost the support of the country he was supposedly the avatar of.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

(2) only happened because the people of that country were scared ******s who wanted to open the gateway to giving up their personal rights even more.

 

[fifthfiend]

What does "grassroots Superman" even mean?

"Created by a team of government scientists operating under above-top-secret classification budgeted with significant allocations of federal monies and receiving the extensive support of the US military."

I mean, apparently.

 

[PhotoJones]

Mkay...

 

[fifthfiend]

The joke is that's the exact opposite of the meaning of grassroots.

It's funny if you're a politics person.

Moving along --

Still, I don't think Cap would be above punching some scum in the jaw for info or anything. That's how they used to do it in the old school.

Not to be too harsh about it, but the old school thinks you're full of ****.

"We got more information out of a German general with a game of chess or Ping-Pong than they do today, with their torture"

Hell, even the Germans knew torture is worth jack-**** for getting actual information.

It's really simple, torture is something done either out of vengeance or to terrorize a subjugated population, and represents the failure of any real interrogative process.

As Cap is neither 1. an idiot, nor 2. a sociopath, (in any reasonably well-written depiction) he wouldn't do it, and he wouldn't have anything to do with anyone who would.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I've heard interrogators on NPR say much the same. You really do catch more bees with honey, it seems.

 

[PhotoJones]

The joke is that's the exact opposite of the meaning of grassroots.

It's funny if you're a politics person.

Oh, I like politics. That just wasn't funny. Like, at all.

 

[Steve Rogers]

Is this even a question? Of course he would be against it.

 

[Aristotle]

(2) only happened because the people of that country were scared ******s who wanted to open the gateway to giving up their personal rights even more.

No argument there.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It's kind of poetic that Bucky, a guy with a past so checkered it'd make 1950s taxi cabs jealous and a personal morality that's questionable at best when he's not actively trying to emulate Steve, is going to be the new Captain America. If I didn't know Brubaker's not into putting metaphors and political messages into his work, I'd think that was some kind of commentary on the USA of today: namely, that we don't deserve a Steve Rogers.

 

[PhotoJones]

That's an interesting theory. I would agree that we don't deserve a Steve Rogers. Maybe it's also that we can't have a Steve Rogers. Being deserving of him implies that he's being given to us by someone else. I think it might be more about us being to produce another Steve for ourselves. We can't and we never will.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Times have changed. A modern Steve Rogers would be all conflicted and lax on his morals.

 

[PhotoJones]

Or he wouldn't be and he would be driven and completely confident that every decision he makes is the absolute right one. It's God's will, after all.