What should Marvel do with Bucky?

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I'd like to add an opinion poll, but oops.

Bucky was a kick sidekick of Captain America, he died, recently was revealed to have been alive this whole time as the Winter Soldier, then became Captain America, and then died again during Fear Itself only to [BLACKOUT]be revealed to have faked his death to find other sleeper Winter Soldiers.[/BLACKOUT]
But once his latest stories about his covert missions are over what should Marvel do with his character? He can't really go back to being the Winter Soldier, since he is a wanted criminal. What would you like to see his new persona be?


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Should he go back to being another Captain America?
Or maybe he should stay the Winter Soldier?
Or how about he becomes the new U.S. Agent? With alterations to make it his own?
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Or he could be a new version of Citizen V:
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Again with alterations to make it his own.

Or he could be the new Super Patriot, Walker's original identity:
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Or he could be a new version of the original Patriot:
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Or he could take over Cap's Super Soldier uniform:
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I'm pretty sure Marvel has confirmed that he will be staying in his Winter Soldier persona. Since he's a wanted criminal and presumed dead, he can't go back to the Captain America persona, but since he's sticking to the shadows he's going back to his shadowy persona that he became.
 
I'm pretty sure Marvel has confirmed that he will be staying in his Winter Soldier persona. Since he's a wanted criminal and presumed dead, he can't go back to the Captain America persona, but since he's sticking to the shadows he's going back to his shadowy persona that he became.

I meant after his latest story, which you mentioned here, is over. He wont be able to be Winter Soldier anymore, and he probably wont go back to being Captain America since Steve is Captain America again. So what should he do? I heard someone mentioned become the new US Agent since Walker may not be able to anymore, and there is also the chance he could be the new Citizen V or Patriot or a variation on those ideas. Maybe something to make him seem more permanent. What would you guys like to see?
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Ed Brubaker has plenty of material to work with in terms of the Winter Soldier persona.

The last thing I want to see for the character is for him to become US Agent/Citizen V/Patriot etc., he's shown he's more than capable of carrying the shield himself and even though I very much doubt it will ever happen, I'd love for him to become Captain America again sometime down the line.

If only Marvel had the guts to keep it that way.
 
Yeah, his transition to becoming Cap was so well done, I would have been fine with him permanently becoming Cap. But oh well.

Staying as the Winter Soldier is the best. The last thing I wanna see is him taking on multiple identities throughout his career. He'd be like Jason Todd (Robin, Red Hood, Nightwing, who the hell knows what else).
 
Just keep him as Bucky once he's done with this covert Winter Soldier mess.
 
I didn't read the Winter Soldier trial stuff that landed him in a Russian prison, can he still be the Winter Soldier? Or would that land him back in prison? Or maybe mean his death?

For whatever reason I sort of felt like his being Winter Soldier was another transition. He was Bucky, then he came back as the Winter Soldier. Him being Winter Soldier, since it was his evil Assassin persona sort of felt like a limbo area until he became someone else.
Personally I would like to see him become a new version of US Agent or something, not just another identity but something more permanent, keep him that way and make it his go to thing.

Should he be his Winter Soldier persona but updated to look more patriotic or something?
 
Bucky escaped from the Russian prison and presumably made it back to the US (and put back on the Captain America uniform for Fear Itself, where he later "died"). Buthe is still wanted by the Russians, and the US president and Nick Fury felt that his reputation had been damaged enough that he couldn't be Captain America any longer.

He's taking up the Winter Soldier persona to avoid his legal troubles and maintain his official deceased status.

I'm looking forward for him to becoming Winter Soldier again because it sounds like its going to be about him fixing some of the messes or situations he caused when he was the Winter Soldier under the USSR. They've gone into that period of his life in bits and portions, but considering he has supposed to have been the Winter Soldier for longer than Captain America has lived in the modern age, I think it has a lot of area for exploration.
 
Overall, I'm just happy that he's still around. That Fear Itself death would have been ******.
 
I liked Barnes as Captain America. Rogers is too infallible to be a hero with feet of clay, which I thought was an interesting take on a new Cap. I was fine with Barnes as Cap and Rogers as a commander figure, who still did ops missions and occasionally donned his old mantle again for crises moments like SIEGE. However, the film came and it couldn't last. From interviews Brubaker has made on the subject, the upcoming status quo is what he always intended, only he stretched things out due to editorial decree. It is similar in how he claimed he always was going to do his DEATH OF CAPTAIN AMERICA story, but then Civil War happened and he was pushed into tying into that a little. Thus, he always intended for Barnes to try being Cap until Rogers was revived - editorial just pushed him to keep Rogers dead for two years and Barnes in the mantle until now. And the role of Barnes as a "noble fugitive" figure I think is where Brubaker always wanted him. He re-made Barnes to be a black ops character, of the sort who does and always did some of the dirty work Rogers either couldn't do or couldn't be seen doing.

Years back, I didn't think Marvel could sell a WINTER SOLDIER book or it'd be a second class citizen book to Cap. But then again, I didn't envision Marvel actually having Brubaker write 3 Cap books, or Spidey suddenly having a family of 4 titles again, or 2 FF books, but here we are. I will be curious on the sales on this one. Despite Brubaker's profile, I don't think it will sell that great without CAPTAIN AMERICA on the cover. I mean, CRIMINAL doesn't.
 
I'm guessing that Captain America and Bucky will get cancelled shortly after or around when Winter Soldier starts. So essentially Winter Soldier would be replacing that book.
 
I'm guessing that Captain America and Bucky will get cancelled shortly after or around when Winter Soldier starts. So essentially Winter Soldier would be replacing that book.

Marvel never cancels anything if it's still selling above cancellation range. If the sales for it hold up, they'll be happy to have 3 Cap books.
 
Not to go off on too big of a tangent away from Bucky's future, and also i don't know the numbers, but didn't Marvel cancel She-Hulk and Ms. Marvel (I thought those were considered successful). Also they canceled Young Dr. Doom and Destroyers before they even came out for some reason.
I can see them cancelling Cap and Bucky, mostly because I haven't been buying it and don't know a thing about it or hear a thing about it ever. It could be really good, I don't know.

About Bucky, this story about him cleaning up his Winter Soldier messes and doing covert sleeper agent stuff will eventually end. Who knows what the Marvel landscape will look like by then, but do you think he will become a public hero again and maybe (since he can't be cap anymore and can't be the Winter Soldier) will he change into someone else?
Or do you think he will still be the Winter Soldier after all this covert stuff?
 
Not to go off on too big of a tangent away from Bucky's future, and also i don't know the numbers, but didn't Marvel cancel She-Hulk and Ms. Marvel (I thought those were considered successful). Also they canceled Young Dr. Doom and Destroyers before they even came out for some reason.
I can see them cancelling Cap and Bucky, mostly because I haven't been buying it and don't know a thing about it or hear a thing about it ever. It could be really good, I don't know.

About Bucky, this story about him cleaning up his Winter Soldier messes and doing covert sleeper agent stuff will eventually end. Who knows what the Marvel landscape will look like by then, but do you think he will become a public hero again and maybe (since he can't be cap anymore and can't be the Winter Soldier) will he change into someone else?
Or do you think he will still be the Winter Soldier after all this covert stuff?

By the time MS. MARVEL ended with issue #50, it was either at the bottom of the Top 100 or below. If it wasn't at cancellation range - which for Marvel, tends to be below 19k a month with no end in sight to the monthly drops - it was close. It was a title which often needed boosts from events to keep it afloat. SHE-HULK I also believe succumbed to sales fatigue and also needed sales boosts on occasion. After all, the first Dan Slott volume was canned due to low sales, and was only revived when the trade collections sold oodles (much as RUNAWAYS was). But not even Peter David could keep it afloat - in comparison, PAD's X-FACTOR has endured for years now.

Axel Alonso (the new EIC) stated outright in regard to ALPHA FLIGHT that:

Axel Alonso said:
"new budgetary mandates forced us to rethink the strategy."

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=35305

Basically, higher ups in Marvel - such as billionaire CEO and noted skinflint Ike Perlmutter - have issued new marching orders on sales expectations. I imagine both DESTROYERS and VICTOR VON DOOM were not expected to sell well. With VVD, there was a rumor of a production delay with the art, which various parties have neither outright confirmed or denied. However, DESTROYERS had roughly two issues in the can and was ready to go, but was pre-emptively yanked. ALL-WINNERS SQUAD, promoted and sold as an 8 issue mini, has sold very poorly and will end with issue #6 - likely on a cliffhanger.

With credit to Alonso, that is the closest to genuine truth being told about Marvel's reality that any EIC has told in 11 years. Apparently he wasn't drunk the "come off like an arrogant, sleazy used car salesman" Kool-Aid that Joe Q and Tom Brevoort have.

The WINTER SOLDIER stuff I imagine can last so long as Brubaker is willing to write it. The question will be what happens when he decides to call it a run on it as well as CAPTAIN AMERICA, which is inevitable. After all, we saw a peek of this with SECRET AVENGERS - Marvel merely hired two writers to fill the pages for ten issues before seeming to settle on a new one. Although aside for being "the ops books", it still serves little purpose. It isn't like NEW AVENGERS, the "street team", does too many space stories.

Technically, Bucky Barnes' legal problems are over in America. He was convicted but sentenced to time served. The issue is international, since he was convicted in absentia in Russia, sentenced to the Gulag and outright escaped. The fact that he - as a fugitive from Russia who likely was listed as wanted by Interpol - next appeared on TV dressed as Captain America defending Washington D.C. likely won't ease relations between America and Russia in the Marvel Universe (a universe in which the Russians usually are bad; even under the "sliding time scale" theory, the Soviet era lasted longer there than in real life). The fact that Russia accomplished various things via corruption is not a useful excuse - America isn't corrupt? Didn't they make a convicted killer and madman Norman Osborn a key government official? Haven't they thrown a federal badge to no end of super-villains at the drop of a hat from Venom (all of them) to Puppet Master to the Brotherhood Of Evil Mutants? Isn't Magneto - himself likely guilty of some international crimes - now a member of the X-Men in San Fran and not being arrested? My point is that the "noble fugitive" era can last about as long as Brubaker or others want.

The oddity is coming up with a new codename. Barnes can't be Captain America anymore. It seems odd to call himself the Winter Soldier since that was Lukin's name for him, which he likely despises. Pals call him "Bucky" still, but would he really go by that again? Will he be Nomad: Man Without A Country? The Rikki Barnes version is dead, and Barnes iced the James Monroe version. Perhaps he utilizes the WS name for the same reason Flash Thompson is called Venom - to spook baddies. Or perhaps he's just Barnes, James Barnes, license to kill.

For the moment I am reading both, but it wouldn't stun me if I wound up liking WINTER SOLDIER more than CAPTAIN AMERICA once it gets going. But, who knows. Brubaker wears his heart on his sleeve for Barnes, but despite some decompression or annoying tics, I still like his CA stories overall - his is the only run on the franchise I have read, and likely will read. So for the moment, whatever happens is good for more, and more cash for Marvel out of my wallet.

I'm not reading CAPTAIN AMERICA & BUCKY. It's set in the past and doesn't count. And I don't have a WWII fetish like some people do - I actually tire of flashback stories to that era for this franchise. I genuinely believe that - with aid from Brubaker's run - someone could take all of the original 1940's CA comics, and the 1970's INVADERS comics, and all of those flash-backs to that era as told in AVENGERS or CAPTAIN AMERICA or so on since the 60's and LITERALLY map out Steve Roger's entire service during the war. Every day, every hour, every minute, every second. And even if someone did, and posted it online, Marvel would still pile on more. It's absurd. I prefer to stay in the present, and would rather new characters genuinely introduced without retcon cheats.
 
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Marvel never cancels anything if it's still selling above cancellation range. If the sales for it hold up, they'll be happy to have 3 Cap books.

Is Cap & Bucky even selling one? I wouldn't think it is.
 
I'm not reading CAPTAIN AMERICA & BUCKY. It's set in the past and doesn't count. And I don't have a WWII fetish like some people do - I actually tire of flashback stories to that era for this franchise. I genuinely believe that - with aid from Brubaker's run - someone could take all of the original 1940's CA comics, and the 1970's INVADERS comics, and all of those flash-backs to that era as told in AVENGERS or CAPTAIN AMERICA or so on since the 60's and LITERALLY map out Steve Roger's entire service during the war. Every day, every hour, every minute, every second. And even if someone did, and posted it online, Marvel would still pile on more. It's absurd. I prefer to stay in the present, and would rather new characters genuinely introduced without retcon cheats.

Cap & Bucky is actually pretty good. But if it's any incentive, I think the next story is moving in the Soviet era (likely just focusing on Bucky, but I haven't been following the solicitations that closely).
 
Is Cap & Bucky even selling one? I wouldn't think it is.

Um...CAPTAIN AMERICA & BUCKY launched from the original numbering of CAPTAIN AMERICA, while CAPTAIN AMERICA relaunched with a fresh #1 in July. It was a "stealth launch" in similar fashion to how Marvel launched INCREDIBLE HERCULES and BLACK PANTHER: MAN WITHOUT FEAR. It "debuted" to sales of 50k and in October was selling over 32k. CAPTAIN AMERICA still sells around 54k, so that's not bad for a spin off.

It's telling flashback stories, but is clearly a "Cap book", since it has CAPTAIN AMERICA in the name. While WINTER SOLDIER won't, it's another spin off in the same way X-23 and DAKEN are spun off of WOLVERINE and VENOM (and soon to be SCARLET SPIDER) have spun off ASM.
 
I would be happiest if they revealed he was a clone or a skrull and Bucky had really remained dead. Marvel's policy of never letting anyone stay dead is one of the most angering things about comics to me.
 
He could just be Bucky. Just James Buchanan Barnes, a total badass doing total badass spy stuff, beating the crap out of Russian super soldiers and just gernally being awesome. I think he's at a point in his career where he's the kind of character who doesn't really need a costume or a code name to be able to carry his own weight in a super hero universe.
 
Blue Bucky. To mirror the whole Red Robin thing. :meanie:
 
Or he could be the new Armless Tigerman.
 

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