What the butler saw....

[Kevin Roegele]

I can see this being a sore-point and excuse for a lot of jokes in the future. It's quite amusing.

 

[Nibune]

Never trust a butler.
He knew and he said NOTHING...

save alfred pennyworth

 

[BobJM]

Everyone in our theater started laughing hysterically.

 

[5ubx23r0]

Everyone in our theater started laughing hysterically.

lmfao yeah, when he said "i loved him, how i loved you, harry."

man, ppl were green-minded in my theatre.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I actually think it made sense. Like I said in another thread, he had no idea Peter was Spider-Man, and he probably didn't want Harry to know Norman killed himself in order to preserve his memory for Harry, and not alter it by finding out he died of a self inflicted wound. When he sees Peter is Spier-Man, he then feels the need to tell Harry, because now he sees he thinks his friend is guitly of something he wasn't, and Harry needed to know that.

I thought it made sense.

 

[Theven]

Spider-Fan930, I agree that it makes sense in the grand scheme of things. But in the context of the movie, I felt that it just added to the long list of convenient occurences throughout the movie. It really was sort of a quick fix I suppose you could say in order to convince Harry to battle alongside Peter.

By the time we got to that point in the movie we had experienced some crazy coincidences, which on their own weren't too bad, but pile them up and things just got a little silly. It was fun, and the final battle was awesome, but it just was hard to take that scene seriously.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I'll agree it was one of a million coincidences. However, once I thought about the scene, I no longer found it to be a reach, but rather something that made sense and was in line with SM and SM2.

 

[explode7]

Yeah when the Butler told Harry "I loved your father" a woman at the cinema shouted out "OMG" meaning that the Butler was gay. The whole theater went bonkers after that and started laughing their ass off for a second and then they went back quiet when it cut to the final battle.

 

[Catman]

Everyone in our theater started laughing hysterically.

Very immature.

Wow.

-TNC

I second that.

I actually think it made sense. Like I said in another thread, he had no idea Peter was Spider-Man, and he probably didn't want Harry to know Norman killed himself in order to preserve his memory for Harry, and not alter it by finding out he died of a self inflicted wound. When he sees Peter is Spier-Man, he then feels the need to tell Harry, because now he sees he thinks his friend is guitly of something he wasn't, and Harry needed to know that.

I thought it made sense.

Yup, my thoughts exactly. The butler didn't say anything because he didn't want Harry to know what his father had become. Basically the same reasons Peter didn't say anything.

 

[explode7]

One question Catman. In your avvy are those real?

 

[explode7]

One question Catman. In your avvy are those real?

 

[kooguy911]

lmfao that scene was so awesome

 

[Kevin Roegele]

I actually think it made sense. Like I said in another thread, he had no idea Peter was Spider-Man, and he probably didn't want Harry to know Norman killed himself in order to preserve his memory for Harry, and not alter it by finding out he died of a self inflicted wound. When he sees Peter is Spier-Man, he then feels the need to tell Harry, because now he sees he thinks his friend is guitly of something he wasn't, and Harry needed to know that.

I thought it made sense.

The point is not that it made sense, it's that it's inept storytelling. To have a minor, minor character appear with major revelations that short-circuit major drama in just bad.

 

[Batman2008]

So why did the Butler wait all these years to tell Harry how his father died? Stupid.

 

[diabolik]

This was the biggest groaner of the whole film...this butler has been no where to be seen ...they wrote a terrible script...and the Butler scene is the worst way out of a huge plot hole

 

[Sloth7d]

The point is not that it made sense, it's that it's inept storytelling. To have a minor, minor character appear with major revelations that short-circuit major drama in just bad.

It doesn't matter how minor the character is as long as it makes sense. To me this part did not.

 

[El Payaso]

So... Bernard knew Norman was killed by his own glider - therefore he knew about Green Goblin or at least he found it out after Norman's death. Then he saw how Harry's psyche was all crumbled down and his life was being totally ruined because of his revenge feelings during 2 years. Then he saw the new Goblin - therefore Harry experimenting with himself - and how Harry was now trying to kill an innocent man and almost killing himself in the process... he also saw Harry having amnesia and all...

...but somehow Bernard just decided to say nothing. Not even to save Harry's life from misery or at least to save the son of the man 'he loved so much'.

And then, suddenly, for no reason whatsoever... he confesses.

Yeah, that made lots of sense.


But oh well, Peter danced and that was so funny.

 

[Sloth7d]

This was the biggest groaner of the whole film...this butler has been no where to be seen ...they wrote a terrible script...and the Butler scene is the worst way out of a huge plot hole

Wasn't a plot hole. It was just a bad plot device which created a plothole.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

It doesn't matter how minor the character is as long as it makes sense.

Oh, it does matter. A lot. There are rules of storytelling, rules of drama, and as you've no doubt noticed, Spider-Man 3 ignores a lot of them to it's detriment.

 

[The Lizard]

It would have been nice if he had told Harry before Harry got disfigured.

 

[El Payaso]

It would have been nice if he had told Harry before Harry got disfigured.

True. In fact, right after it happened would have been a nice time. Or during the 2 years Harry was in grief obssessed about Norman's death.

 

[El Payaso]

It would have been nice if he had told Harry before Harry got disfigured.

True. In fact, right after it happened would have been a nice time. Or during the 2 years Harry was in grief obssessed about Norman's death.

 

[Sloth7d]

Oh, it does matter. A lot. There are rules of storytelling, rules of drama, and as you've no doubt noticed, Spider-Man 3 ignores a lot of them to it's detriment.

Not really. As long as it makes sense. Like the police were the only characters who could really reveal Flint was actually the one who killed Uncle Ben. Though look at how minor they are and what a huge revalation that was. Also, there are no REAL rules to storytelling. As long as its good.

 

[DACrowe]

I would have preferred if Harry had made the decision on his own. as in he saw on the TV the "black figure" kicking Spidey's ass and hearing his father in the back of his head t elling him to watch Parker finally die. That way he could make the decision without Alfred Pennyworth telling him to.

 

[SPIDER-MAN-ROX]

So the Butler saw Spider-Man bring Norman's body back to the Mansion in Spider-Man 1 & it was never revealed until Spider-Man 3, or did the Butler always know since the first Spider-Man that Norman was the Green Goblin & just figured that he was killed by his glider, or did Spider-Man 3 make it sound like that the Butler would follow Norman/Green Goblin around & he actually witnessed Green Goblin pierce himself by the blades on the glider?