What would you think of a Crime Syndicate series?

I would read that it sounds like a fab idea :up:

I imagine them living in a colorful shanty town in the ruins of what was once Arkham Asylum before it was closed down and abandoned, eating meals together, defending the city of Gotham, and engaging in adventurs chock full of references to and analyses of philosipy, culture, religion, and psycology, along with action and macabre humor. The kind of thing I'd want Grant Morrison to write if I was 100% certain he wouldn't be lame about it. Which is why I say Brian K. Vaughn instead.
 
Wouldn't the Nazi's be the good guys in WWII?

Me too, especially time specific pieces. An origin for instance, of where/how the switch happened. Abel killed Cain?

Well that was kinda how I originally posed it...I would love to see a mini detailing each characters expanded origin and not only how they banded together, but how they succeeded in taking over their entire planet...

so many interesting cameo possibilities of flip side heroes and villains...maybe even have it told in 3rd person from a human recounting the story...

I think its a part of the DCU that has been relatively untouched and has amazing story potential...
 
Me too, especially time specific pieces. An origin for instance, of where/how the switch happened. Abel killed Cain?

Probably still be Cain killing Abel, but God and all the other Edeners being cool with it.
 
Damn...people lost interest in this already or is everyone too busy playing DCUO lol....
 
I imagine them living in a colorful shanty town in the ruins of what was once Arkham Asylum before it was closed down and abandoned, eating meals together, defending the city of Gotham, and engaging in adventurs chock full of references to and analyses of philosipy, culture, religion, and psycology, along with action and macabre humor. The kind of thing I'd want Grant Morrison to write if I was 100% certain he wouldn't be lame about it. Which is why I say Brian K. Vaughn instead.

Awww why do you think Morrison would be lame :csad:
 
Awww why do you think Morrison would be lame :csad:

Because whenever he's been handed DC characters to work with over the past few years, he's become way too obsessed with writing stories about stories and sometimes forgets to write stories about characters we're supposed to care about in situations that we take an interest in and are able to find believable based on the story's internal logic. And I'm not saying that every story has to follow the same two or three actstructure, or has to follow the same kind of internal logic, and can't be very heavily symbolic or metaphoric, there are many great stories that take a very unique or nonlinear approach to concepts such as logic. But I often get the impression with Morrison that, when he's writing DC characters in a DC setting, he'd much rather be writting an essay about comics, and I don't see why he doesn't just do that. It's not like he uses the fact that he's working with characters in a setting to explore new themes or old themes from a new angle. Whenever he'se gotten metafictional in the past five years or so, he's made the same point every time. And I think it's interesting and would like to see it explored in full. Hell, even explore it as a comic itself. I'd have no problem with that. My favorite comic book of all time is Scott McCloud's "Understanding Comics," and all that is is an essay about comics in comic form. But with Morrison, whenever he's written for DC in the past few years, the characters and settings all seem completely tacked on. They seem supliferous to the essay he seems to secretly want to write, and after a while it starts to feel somewhat sterile. It makes me care about the story a lot less.

This is why I suggest Brian K. Vaughn.
 
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Brian K Vaughn is pretty good i dug Runaways

Nico Karolina and Xavin are fab :atp:

But I really like Morrison's recent Batman work thought it was really neat :csad:
 
Brian K Vaughn is pretty good i dug Runaways

Nico Karolina and Xavin are fab :atp:

But I really like Morrison's recent Batman work thought it was really neat :csad:

I'm not saying Morrison's an terrible writer. He's once of my favorites. I even donated his entire run on Animal Man to my high school library, that's how important a series I think it is. But with a lot of his mainstream work, it just feels kind of lifeless to me. Like the characters and events are only there to make a point about comic books and fiction in general, and the fact that they're used that way is part of the point. Cool and entertaining things happen in pretty much all of his stories, but when characters and events are used in that manner I begin to lose interest, no matter how cool everything is. It just feels very fake. And I know that it's fake, I know that these are fictional characters and events and I don't try to treat them as anything other than that. But when the story fails to treat the characters as anything other than an artifical construct, then the stories fail to have any emotional resonance with me. I just don't see what there is for me to take away from the story. And this is a relatively recent thing with Morrison, too. His run on JLA, as mainstream a title as they come, was very well done. It just seems to me that I would respond to his metafictional treatment of mainstream comics if he flat out made an essay in a comic book format. If he did that, I'd feel less like I'd been cheated out of a story, or that I have to deal with a cast of characters and a series of events that are essay examples that jutated and grew to consume the entire essay. But still, all in all, I love Grant. We3 is probably the most recent thing of his like, but I also dig Doom Patrol, JLA, Aztek, and what I've read of The Invisibles. I'm just not a huge fan of this one thing he does.
 
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I'm not saying Morrison's an terrible writer. He's once of my favorites. I even donated his entire run on Animal Man to my high school library, that's how important a series I think it is. But with a lot of his mainstream work, it just feels kind of lifeless to me. Like the characters and events are only there to make a point about comic books and fiction in general, and the fact that they're used that way is part of the point. Cool and entertaining things happen in pretty much all of his stories, but when characters and events are used in that manner I begin to lose interest, no matter how cool everything is. It just feels very fake. And I know that it's fake, I know that these are fictional characters and events and I don't try to treat them as anything other than that. But when the story fails to treat the characters as anything other than an artifical construct, then the stories fail to have any emotional resonance with me. I just don't see what there is for me to take away from the story. And this is a relatively recent thing with Morrison, too. His run on JLA, as mainstream a title as they come, was very well done. It just seems to me that I would respond to his metafictional treatment of mainstream comics if he flat out made an essay in a comic book format. If he did that, I'd feel less like I'd been cheated out of a story, or that I have to deal with a cast of characters and a series of events that are essay examples that jutated and grew to consume the entire essay. But still, all in all, I love Grant. We3 is probably the most recent thing of his like, but I also dig Doom Patrol, JLA, Aztek, and what I've read of The Invisibles. I'm just not a huge fan of this one thing he does.

Fair enough

What have you thought of Batman Inc so far

I think he could do a really fab job on a Crime Syndicate mini or maxi series but i like your idea of having Brian K Vaughn write it. Isnt he Marvel exlusive though
 
Fair enough

What have you thought of Batman Inc so far

I honestly haven't read more than a couple pages. I haven't had much money for comics recently, and when I do I've been focusing on the Scott Pilgrim series. I'm not a huge fan of the concept, I don't think it makes a whole lot of sense in terms of continuity and characterization, but I also recognize where it could churn out some pretty cool characters and stories.

I think he could do a really fab job on a Crime Syndicate mini or maxi series but i like your idea of having Brian K Vaughn write it. Isnt he Marvel exlusive though

No, he's been writing for pretty much every major comic company. He did Y The Last man and Ex Machina for DC, and an arc of Dark Horse's Buffy comic that was pretty good. As well as writing for Lost. Not sure where he finds time.
 
I loves Scott Pilgrim that is money well spent :up: did you dig the film

When you have the money the first two issues of Batman Inc were pretty neat worth checking out. Lord Death Man is :awesome:
 
I loves Scott Pilgrim that is money well spent :up: did you dig the film

I saw the movie before I read the comics. I enjoyed it, but I can definitely tell where character development suffered as a result of condensing six volumes into a two hour film. For that reason, I enjoy the comic a lot more, with a few esceptions (Lucas Lee was improved upon in the film, I thought).

When you have the money the first two issues of Batman Inc were pretty neat worth checking out. Lord Death Man is :awesome:

Like with most of the things in DC I dislike these days, amungst the illogical and annoying premise is one or two characters or concepts that I love regardless. Lord Death Man is one of these. I don't know much about him, but I know he's awesome. Can't wait to read his story when I get the chance. In the Green Lantern books (the emotional spectrum can kiss my ass), Larfleeze is another. Larfleeze is great.
 
Lord Death Man is my new favourite villain :atp:

Lucas Lee was definitely better in the film but I liked the twins and Roxy Richter better in the comics

And the film needed more Kim Pine

Everything needs more Kim Pine :awesome:
 
Lord Death Man is my new favourite villain :atp:

He seems pretty baller. I read part of the Japanese comic where he first appeared. It was ill.

Lucas Lee was definitely better in the film but I liked the twins and Roxy Richter better in the comics

And the film needed more Kim Pine

Everything needs more Kim Pine :awesome:

Agreed. :up:

Man, I've been having the best internet conversations lately. They've all been friendly and entertaining. :woot:
 
He seems pretty baller. I read part of the Japanese comic where he first appeared. It was ill.

I bought the Bat Manga recently I really dug it :up:

Glad Morrison brought him back

Agreed. :up:

Man, I've been having the best internet conversations lately. They've all been friendly and entertaining. :woot:

:woot: :up:
 
Probably still be Cain killing Abel, but God and all the other Edeners being cool with it.

I think a series like this could establish a future mega event where characters are swapped all over the DCU in a grand scheme of things...a fleshed out Crime Syndicate World could make for some great storyline possibilities...
 
I'd definitely be up for this. I love the idea as a whole and seeing the alternates of heroes and their world...Could be very interesting.

And we can expect more ****ing between Owlman and Superwoman. :o
 
Millar wil overblow the whole concept and I doin't know if Waid would like to revisit this concept again.

Since Morrison re-introduced (?) readers to the modern incarnation of CSA, he might be the guy with a firm grasp of the team. I like his Owlman I guess.

Wasn't Wanted originally a pitch for a Crime Syndicate book? Or well someform of an evil-JLA. Morrison's CSA seemed pretty unique and interesting takes, especially the whole Owlman haunting his father thing, but i felt Morrison kinda ruined his own Ultraman with Final Crisis.
 
I need more Kim Pine.

In a marital context.

...

I want to marry Kim Pine. :o

So do I Corp :atp:

She is :awesome: sauce on toast and her red hair and freckles are so cute :hrt:

I'd definitely be up for this. I love the idea as a whole and seeing the alternates of heroes and their world...Could be very interesting.

And we can expect more ****ing between Owlman and Superwoman. :o

They will be ****ing in space :up:
 
I'd definitely be up for this. I love the idea as a whole and seeing the alternates of heroes and their world...Could be very interesting.

And we can expect more ****ing between Owlman and Superwoman. :o

Maybe they could explain how they started slammin hams in the first place...or go into just what exactly it is that Owlman has on Ultraman or how he uncovered it in the first place...
 
A CSA 'Year One'???

That would sell if the series wasn't more than maybe 8 issues. And it needs to be awesome.It needs a profilic artist. It needs Jim Cheung!
 

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