Wheres my third pick?

Malice

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I believe we are about at a crossroads.

Neither of the major party candidates are going to do anything other then spend more money when they get in power.

The US is hemoraging (sp?) money.
The US will not be fixed until the 3 rails of US politics are fixed.
1) Defense Spending - 2/3 of ALL research is linked to defense spending
We need to stop being the worlds police man

2) Social Security - Raise the age first and foremost, then set a limit on cash, if you make more, you dont get it. This is the easiest to solve, but would probably be the hardest to do.

3) Medicare - this is going to be insane...

Why do the morons we have running for power get their heads out of their "as***" and look at what we REALLY need?
 
1) I generally agree, though we need to continue operations in Afghanistan and what should be the primary goal of bringing bin Laden to justice.

2) I don't want the age raised, but I'm okay with some sort of maximum formula or decreased (but not eliminated) benefits for those on a pension, specifically a gov't. pension.

3) Medicare--we won't need it when we figure out something that covers everyone. Also, then Medicaid will go away as well. We need to figure out healthcare and I have a feeling you and I would have deep disagreement on that, Malice. But we'll always have defense spending.
 
Neither of the major party candidates are going to do anything other then spend more money when they get in power.

That's why I say to hell with both of them.

Remember to register to vote so you can choose who you would rather get screwed by.
 
1) I generally agree, though we need to continue operations in Afghanistan and what should be the primary goal of bringing bin Laden to justice.

2) I don't want the age raised, but I'm okay with some sort of maximum formula or decreased (but not eliminated) benefits for those on a pension, specifically a gov't. pension.

3) Medicare--we won't need it when we figure out something that covers everyone. Also, then Medicaid will go away as well. We need to figure out healthcare and I have a feeling you and I would have deep disagreement on that, Malice. But we'll always have defense spending.
Afghanistan is a lost cause. The Brits were right, there is no way you can even establish a democracy of any kind there. If you thought Iraq was bad Afghanistan is worse; there is no infrastructure or people who can sustain it. Not to mention you to deal with the issue of ex-Taliban and Al Qaeda crossing borders to Afghanistan when they feel like it which hampers the mission. And that is not the biggest problem. Pakistan is about to destablilze in a few weeks from going bankrupt (financial crisis), and those guys have nukes and all sorts of weapon goodies. The Taliban are more then happy to fill the void. When that happens, have fun.

This is not an "lets abandon everything" post, it's a the military is going to be too broke to continue. When the money finally evaporates what do you think will happen to the troops overseas? A gigantic **** will hit the fan.
 
Comedian Bobcat Goldthwait has a great line: "Voting for president is like shopping an adult novelty store. You're trying to find the d***o that hurts the least."

I'm a registered Libertarian, so I'll be voting for Bob Barr, as Malice already knows. He's the one I most want to be President, so I'll vote obscure with no qualms. But if you're not impressed with any candidate, I say write in the name of your favorite celebrity (if the ballot allows it) or simply refuse to vote. People have this notion that we vote because we have to. I don't buy into this line of thinking because I believe in holding all political parties to a very high standard. If I'm not interested in what others are selling, I'm not going to buy it. As Penn Jillette says, "The only way to waste your vote is to vote."

Of course, I understand that opinion might be construed as totally crazy... and I'm not prepared to argue that.
 
Will you people stop making threads about an imaginary THIRD pick. Seriously, just stay the hell home and vote for no one.
 
Will you people stop making threads about an imaginary THIRD pick. Seriously, just stay the hell home and vote for no one.
As soon as people stop imagining that Obama or McCain will solve anything as president of the United States :whatever:
 
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1) I generally agree, though we need to continue operations in Afghanistan and what should be the primary goal of bringing bin Laden to justice.

2) I don't want the age raised, but I'm okay with some sort of maximum formula or decreased (but not eliminated) benefits for those on a pension, specifically a gov't. pension.

3) Medicare--we won't need it when we figure out something that covers everyone. Also, then Medicaid will go away as well. We need to figure out healthcare and I have a feeling you and I would have deep disagreement on that, Malice. But we'll always have defense spending.

2. People are living longer and healthier than they used to. A raise in the age by even a couple of years can save a ton of bucks, as well as alleviate some of the pressure by getting people to contribute to it longer.

3. The only way medicare can work is by either limiting the number of people who receive it or by limiting the conditions medicare will cover. For example, is it really necessary to cover medical situations that peope can easily treat at home, if they knew how? Wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to create an easily accessible website that covers treatments, written by professionals, for illnesses and injuries that aren't all that serious?
 
I think we're in a low point where there aren't any really qualified candidates and it's only a matter of time before there is again.
 
I agree that the two party system in this nation is flawed and has become wrong. We only get two choices to decide the person that will run this country for 4 years. When you go car shopping...you look at more than 2 cars. This is ridiculous.
 
Well, you may not have a third pick this time around, but in 2012, America's favorite xenophobic bigot may run for the White House:

Lou Dobbs in 2012?
Real Clear Politics

On November 4, the United States will elect a new president. And, on November 5, in this era of the permanent campaign, the Road to the White House 2012 will begin in earnest.

Depending on what happens on Election Day, of course, there are two distinctly different narratives that are likely to unfold. If Barack Obama somehow stumbles, it's fairly clear that Hillary Clinton will step in to pick up the pieces and resume her status as the Democratic front-runner and leader in opposition.

If, however, Obama ends up winning -- perhaps decisively -- the way forward for the Republicans is much less clear. And, frankly, if you're a GOP voter, it's looking gloomy.

The Pachyderm Party will face a situation where the only voices they'll be hearing in the proverbial wilderness are from talk radio. They'll have a scattered minority in Congress, and no discernible national or intellectual leaders pointing the way to a new future. Most of the "heavyweights" from the 2008 campaign face a cloudy future. Mitt Romney still hasn't proved he can appeal to the masses; Mike Huckabee will find it hard to become a national figure hosting a lackluster weekend TV show for Fox News. And as for Sarah Palin, four more years of gubernatorial experience will help, but it will be significantly harder for this hockey mom to survive a grueling primary campaign (when her opponents will have plenty of time to do their opposition research on her) than it is to make it through a protected, honeymoon-ish eight-week general-election campaign. Really.

But the GOP might well face two historical problems that are even more formidable. The first is that parties decisively thrown out of power usually spend the next campaign turning to their fringe, on the theory that "if we had only stuck to our principles, instead of compromising, we would have won." Already we can see numerous Republicans mouthing that mantra. If followed to its conclusion, the result in 2012 will be the same as it was in 1936 when the Republicans nominated Alf Landon after the FDR landslide in 1932, and in 1972 when the Democrats nominated George McGovern after the GOP won the White House in 1968.

They'll lose in a landslide even worse than in 2008.

Populism contest


But beyond that, the Republicans could face an even greater challenge. In times of economic turmoil, American history teaches us that voters usually seek out a populist alternative. The greatest political threat to FDR in the early '30s came not from the Republicans but from his own party's Huey Long, with his "share the wealth" economics. Likewise, the downturns of the 1890s produced populist William Jennings Bryan, whom the Democrats actually nominated as their candidate three times (he lost each time).

Outside of figure-from-the-past Pat Buchanan -- who could always mount a comeback -- the Republicans have no one credible to speak to working-class voters. Their efforts at populism over the past 40 years have focused almost entirely on social issues, not economic ones. Besides, Newt Gingrich's efforts notwithstanding, the GOP's fingerprints are not only all over the current economic swoon, their president, their 2008 candidate, and a large number of their members voted for the Wall Street bailout.

An Obama presidency would undoubtedly try to co-opt the populist economic argument, in much the same way FDR did in the early '30s. But it's not at all clear he will be successful. (To be fair, had Long not been removed from the scene in 1935, it's unclear how successful FDR's political future would have been, either.) Sure, an eventual recovery will go a long way to solving President Obama's problem with working-class voters, but his hands will be tied politically, to some extent, since most of the Democratic Party has been in bed with the investment bankers and the deregulators just as much as have the Republicans. Isn't Bob Rubin just Hank Paulsen in a different suit?

This suggests that if Obama wins, the real political energy in the country over the next several years may come from a new populist political force. Would someone challenge Obama from the left? Unlikely. But already there are arguments from such political theorists as Michael Barone and Steve Sailer that the cheap mortgages, which led to the housing crisis, which precipitated the financial crisis, were directly related to the immigration boom. Such arguments are made-to-order for someone like CNN's Lou Dobbs, who has recently been railing against the lackluster efforts to solve the financial crisis with gusto, much as he attacks the government's failures to enforce immigration laws.

In other words, Dobbs -- or a counterpart -- is likely to be a "third party" political force to watch after November 4. That's not politics as usual. But neither is the era we're now facing.
 
As soon as people stop imagining that Obama or McCain will solve anything as president of the United States :whatever:
Let me guess, because you don't like Obama or McCain, you think the magic fairy is going to bring you another candidate, who can win the White House over one of them. Come on, this is silly talk.

And please stop rolling your eyes, it's very girly.
 
Let me guess, because you don't like Obama or McCain, you think the magic fairy is going to bring you another candidate, who can win the White House over one of them. Come on, this is silly talk.

And please stop rolling your eyes, it's very girly.
Yep I don't like either candidates. But I am rooting for Obama so he can (albeit unintentionally) destroy the monetary and economic system to force a restart. I mean both will do it, but Obama will be faster.
 
Let me guess, because you don't like Obama or McCain, you think the magic fairy is going to bring you another candidate, who can win the White House over one of them. Come on, this is silly talk.

And please stop rolling your eyes, it's very girly.

There's no need for that.
 
I agree that the two party system in this nation is flawed and has become wrong. We only get two choices to decide the person that will run this country for 4 years. When you go car shopping...you look at more than 2 cars. This is ridiculous.

In most years that true - but this case we had four choices.

Mike Gravel and Ron Paul offered two choices in both major parties that differed from typical party platforms. If either of them had a good showing in their parties - they would of probably run as a third party and we could of had something.

Since Ron Paul (the only one of the two with money) failed to get any relevant support - I have to believe that the country simply doesn't want a third party right now and there will never be a real third party till that becomes the case.
 
I agree that the two party system in this nation is flawed and has become wrong. We only get two choices to decide the person that will run this country for 4 years. When you go car shopping...you look at more than 2 cars. This is ridiculous.

I really don't think you want to go to a system where you have multiple candidates and it can take months of run-off elections to finally choose one.

By the time you get to that one, there would be a another election around the corner.
 
Well, you may not have a third pick this time around, but in 2012, America's favorite xenophobic bigot may run for the White House:
Oh yay! That means he'll have to take a hiatus from his television show :up:
 
Speaking of xenophobes and illegals, I don't think people will have to worry about that anymore. No one will want to be in America once a hyper inflationary depression hits. :woot:
 
Speaking of xenophobes and illegals, I don't think people will have to worry about that anymore. No one will want to be in America once a hyper inflationary depression hits. :woot:

That's actually already happening, from what I've seen. You know the country is in the crapper when you're apparently better off taking your chances in Mexico. :o
 
I'm voting for Bob Barr. If you don't support Obama or McCain vote for a 3rd party.
There ARE other choices, you just have to look for yourself. Because the media isn't going to help you.
 
Bob Barr, the man whose record in office was one who completely opposes libertarian ideology. A man who views made him the TARGET of libertarians in attack ads.

He got his libertarian nomination simply because he was a known politician who wanted it - not because he is a good candidate.
 
Bob Barr, the man whose record in office was one who completely opposes libertarian ideology. A man who views made him the TARGET of libertarians in attack ads.

He got his libertarian nomination simply because he was a known politician who wanted it - not because he is a good candidate.
 
^Yeah, for President of Hell.:cwink:

I'd love a good 3rd option. I don't vote Republican anymore since they gave up catering to fiscal conservatives(like me) with the election of Dubya. They're mainly social conservatives now(which I hate), mixed with a bit of national security conservatives(not so bad for me). So I'm done with them. And I'll never, ever, ever, ever vote Democrat cause, well...I'm not a socialist/communist. I prefer capitalism. So I'm kinda S.O.L. I guess.
 

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