Which CBM Pair Will Grant the Highest Gross in 2017?

[Spider-Aziz]

Looking at it from studio perspective only, so I won't count any studio that will release one CBM only next year, so:
Fox won't be included, since all they have on their slate is Logan.
Lionsgate and EuropaCorps: Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets.

As to how to count pairs, it will be a pair of movies from one studio, or one studio and a collaboration if the studio at talk is included (i.e Spider-Man under MCU and Sony).

 

[metaphysician]

You realize your poll format all but guarantees that JL & WW will come in first place, right?

 

[Batmannerism]

Well, for their respective studios my money is on

Justice League + Wonder Woman.

First, JL has Batman who's a huge draw (and one of the only decent things in B v S). Also DC fans (like myself) are fanatical and we'll go see the A-list DC heroes in mediocre films ....hell we'll go see the B-list DC villains in garbage films.

Second, Wonder Woman.....I think Wonder Woman will do well, and the action will be superb, but I really wonder about GG's acting chops.

Third, it's the Justice League and they're a big draw too. I mean, I saw the Hall of Justice on Flash the other night and jumped out of my chair - anyone who grew up watching Super-Friends, or reading JL comics will be keen.

Will they be better films than Guardians of the Galaxy 2 and Spider-Man Homecoming.....well, based on current form, probably not. But, who knows ?

Ummmm.... what about cross-studio pairings?

For example, I predict the highest grossing pair overall will be:

Guardians of the Galaxy 2 + Justice League


Spider-Man Homecoming will be great, as Holland has already put in a very solid first appearance - if the cast and story rise to the occasion it could be massive.

However, given the runaway success of GOTG, and the fanatical devotion of DC fans (like myself) I think these two films will attract the biggest audiences.

If JL is actually good (not holding my breath here Snyder) then IMO it's got the potential to outgross everything else.

GOTG must be the most highly anticipated sequel of 2017, given how amazing the first film was - to be honest, I expect that it won't be quite as good, Age of Ultron showed us how hard it is to follow up a first-installment of the Avengers' level of quality - and I think GOTG is probably Marvel's 2nd best film to date.

Still, looking forward to Ragnarok, lot of potential there too.

 

[JKKS085]

Like I said in the 2016 bo thread, unless there's a dramatic shift in quality, I don't see the hierarchy changing next year.

There's a very simple reason why the DC outings this year didn't completely crash and burn, aside from the popularity of the IPs they picked, and that is a complete absence of competition. 2017 is not going to be as kind with DC movies. Wonder Woman comes out a mere week after Pirates of the Caribbean Dead Men Tell No Tales, and will face The Mummy, Cars 3 and Transformers The Last Knight over its 4 first week ends. That's a brutal level of competition. Justice League comes out two weeks after Thor Ragnarok, faces a Pixar release on its second week end and will be done after 4 weeks once Star Wars Episode VIII comes out. Needless to say that if the movie is as poorly received as BvS, I can see it easily decreasing. Wonder Woman is a little up in the air right now but there's a distinct chance that the competition will clip its wings. In my opinion it is absolutely not a given that DC's 2017 outgrosses DC's 2016, even with an "event movie" such as Justice League and the first female lead superhero movie since forever.

Marvel Studios has a solid line up next year. They have a sequel to one of their best received movies, and one of the very few cbm to achieve some kind of cult status. I'm a little worried that GOTG Vol.2 ultimately tries too hard to recapture the magic. However if Gunn succeeds in making a sequel that is not derivative and still feels new and fresh I think it's one of the properties next year that has the best chance to reach the billion dollar mark. Thor Ragnarok adds The Hulk and Strange to the mix and shows a lot of promise. It will however face competition from Justice League two weeks after its release but in the context, unless the movie is badly received, I think it's a stretch to predict a decline from Thor The Dark World. I'm not sure it has the potential to increase a lot over TTDW but I don't see it crashing either with Marvel's QC insurance.

Sony's, Marvel Studios produced, Spider-Man Homecoming is a hard one. On the one hand I want to believe that the character is starting again from scratch after its stunning debut in Civil War. But on the other I can't just ignore that it is going to be the third iteration of the character on screen in the span of 10 years and I am honestly not sure how the general audience is going to react to a third reboot in such a short time. It's inclusion in the broader Marvel Cinematic Universe, skipping the origin story and the presence of Tony Stark/Iron Man are definitely going to help. However the Amazing series already declined sharply from the Raimi series and we are not exactly sure how much creative control Sony retains over the final cut of the movie. I'm praying that this is the big return of Spider-Man but I can see it going either way.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

You realize your poll format all but guarantees that JL & WW will come in first place, right?

lol

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

You realize your poll format all but guarantees that JL & WW will come in first place, right?

After this years performances there is no poll format thinkable in which the DCEU movies will come in first place. Maybe if JL & WW are the only options available, but even then I have reasonable doubts...

 

[Wildcard]

I doubt they come in first place. While I suspect they'll do well, exactly how well will be determined upon release and if they're good.

 

[kguillou]

This is probably a topic for another thread but i think franchise fatigue is gonna a real thing next year. There are soooooooo many big budget blockbusters coming out all over the place next year, I feel 2017 could end up being one of the highest grossing years in Hollywood history or a complete disaster.

 

[Erzengel]

$4.7B between the 6 CBM this year.

I think CBM have become the new action movies, cause they are action movies.

I'd be worried when stellar CBM consistently don't make money.

 

[brandeezy89]

There's too many factors into play to make a guaranteed pick with any of them. Every one of these movies are surrounded by blockbusters. Spidey and WW have it the worst

 

[The Joker]

There's too many factors into play to make a guaranteed pick with any of them.

*Looks at poll*

Yet you managed to....

 

[Juan1193]

There's too many factors into play to make a guaranteed pick with any of them. Every one of these movies are surrounded by blockbusters. Spidey and WW have it the worst

That's true, although I'd give the advantage to the CBM movies due to the sheer popularity the brand. I predict a lot of front loaded debuts for many movies due to competition rather than quality.

 

[scarlet-witch]

This is hard, because while I'd always pick Marvel, I think JL/WW will put up a hell of a fight.

Ultimately I went with GOTG2/Ragnarok. The reason being is while we fans here are excited for Spiderman, a lot of people seem to be over the fact that "they keep remaking it" Every time I read a Spidey article from a non CB site, most of the comments are negative, even after CW. I think Ragnarok will look different enough that it'll gross more than the other Thor films, plus it's the set up for Infinity War.

 

[metaphysician]

After this years performances there is no poll format thinkable in which the DCEU movies will come in first place. Maybe if JL & WW are the only options available, but even then I have reasonable doubts...

Oh, I agree that they won't place top. I more meant that they will win the poll, because its one choice for DC fans and three choices for Marvel fans. Only, looks like the Marvel fans *aren't* splitting, so. . . Ah well. Can't always be right.

 

[Moridin]

I won't count either combination with Homecoming since the BO all goes to Sony not Marvel. (But I do think GotG & Homecoming together could have the highest total).

So for me it's about GotG2/T:R vs JL/WW, and on that front I think it's too close to call.

JL should be the highest grossing film on the list. I say should in a general sense of it being the epic event movie team-up of some of the most iconic CB characters ever, etc. It should be doing Avengers level money. But I think the novelty has been blown on BvS, afterall Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman are by far the biggest characters in JL. Given the reception to BvS and the fact that Snyder is still in the directors chair, I think a big BO increase (from BvS's $873m) is unlikely. I think there's even a chance it drops a little if it is as bad/not much of an improvement. - $825-950m

WW - Not the first female led superhero movie, no, but for all intents and purposes it is the first that's being given a propper big budget shot. If BvS & Suicide Squad showed anything it's that DC have a sizeable audience who are aware of these characters and will show up, though conversely they've also brought about questions of WBDC's ability to handle these movies. Questions also remain over Gadot and her ability to lead a film at all, let alone a huge blockbuster. But the trailers have been really good, so if they pull off a good film the audience is there. - $700-750m

Total - $1.525bn - $1.7bn


GotG2 - The first blew up and is hugely popular (though I'm not nearly as big a fan of it as most others), so the second is highly anticipated. With Marvels steady hand a bad movie is unlikely, so BO growth (from $773m) is probable. Apparenlty it has more spectacle than the first, so that combined with the coveted late April/early May release I think this has a shot at $1bn. - $800m - $1bn.

T:R - I think some people are sleeping on this a little. Maybe as a result of The Dark World being mediocre. But Marvel are bringing in Hulk/Banner, Blanchett, Goldblum, Surtur, (the return of Loki probably should be mentioned, the audience won't have seen him in 4 years), as well as Waititi who is one of the best filmmakers Marvel have hired. If his knack for handing characters, humour and heartfelt moments translate to big budget action film Marvel could have something special here.
TDW increased over Thor1 by about $200m ($644m from $449m), as I said in the other thread, a similar jump isn't unrealistic if the movie delivers on it's potential, + 4 years of inflation and expanding markets. - $800-850m.

Total $1.6bn - $1.85bn

 

[Supa]

I've never been good with these predictions, but if I had to guess...
1. GoTG2
2. Justice League
3. Spider-Man Homecoming
4. Wonder Woman
5. Thor Ragnorok

Wonder Woman is the one I'm most unsure about. I could see it pulling ahead of Homecoming, but I could also see it not doing as well, especially with DC's track record thus far, and the fact that's it's a female led superhero movie and I'm a cynic.

 

[brandeezy89]

*Looks at poll*

Yet you managed to....

I just picked my most anticipated pair

But shouldn't it just be Thor and GOTG2 since Marvel doesn't see any of the BO from SM: Homecoming

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I voted for GOTG2 & Spidey. I know the ASM series did a lot to damage the franchise, but after his scene-stealing appearance in CW and with the general popularity of the character, I think Spider-Man's floor is too high to vote for something else.

Thor 3 could do better if it is substantially better than Spider-Man or ASM2 caused more damage than I thought, but I think more things need to happen there.

I'd be surprised if it is one of the non-GOTG options leading the way.

 

[Silver Surfer]

I think the top 3 highest grossers will al be Marvel studio movies.

1) GOTG2 - Billion +

2) Spider-Man Homecoming - Billion-ish

3) Thor: Ragnarok - 900 million.

Don't see JL crossing 800 mil after the poisonous word of mouth for BVS, and WW's release date alone will limit it to 600 mil max.

 

[brandeezy89]

I think the top 3 highest grossers will al be Marvel studio movies.

1) GOTG2 - Billion +

2) Spider-Man Homecoming - Billion-ish

3) Thor: Ragnarok - 900 million.

Don't see JL crossing 800 mil after the poisonous word of mouth for BVS, and WW's release date alone will limit it to 600 mil max.

Lol, I know that you're a MCU fan and hate the DCEU but come on bro. Spiderman has more comp than WW and I doubt that JL will do SS numbers along with WW not passing MOS when MOS had more comp. than WW in a similar slot. I can only see GOTG doing a Billion and the rest of the MCU movies making 600-800m.

I doubt WB wants their current big money franchise to make less than last year and will do everything marketing wise to make sure it doesn't happen

 

[Silver Surfer]

Lol, I know that you're a MCU fan and hate the DCEU but come on bro. Spiderman has more comp than WW and I doubt that JL will do SS numbers along with WW not passing MOS when MOS had more comp. than WW in a similar slot. I can only see GOTG doing a Billion and the rest of the MCU movies making 600-800m.

I doubt WB wants their current big money franchise to make less than last year and will do everything marketing wise to make sure it doesn't happen

Spider-man has RDJ's Iron-Man, by far the biggest draw in the Superhero genre. And with Spidey's overwhelmingly positive response in Civil War, 900 is the floor, especially when you consider how big a draw Spidey is overseas.

Wonder Woman is sandwiched in between Pirates, WWZ2, and Mummy followed by Cars3. Superman was a bigger draw than WW, always has been.

Snyder league is not gonna beat BvS in the boxoffce, not after the reaction BvS got, not with Snyder at the helm.

But hey I was called an MCU fanboy when I said Civil War would destroy BvS, and we know how that turned out.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

How much of the Spidey income will go to Sony? They do still hold the license.

 

[AlluAllu]

All of the box office I think?

 

[Silver Surfer]

How much of the Spidey income will go to Sony? They do still hold the license.

Almost all of it, Marvel will just get the licensing cut they always get from Sony/Fox Marvel movies.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

All of the box office I think?

Almost all of it, Marvel will just get the licensing cut they always get from Sony/Fox Marvel movies.

That's unfair, considering Marvel does almost all the work.
I'll vote for the pure MCU movies because of that.