Who else misses the way kids films/entertainment used to be?

[-JKR-]

I get where the original poster is coming from. Aside from animation, there are rarely kids' movies that don't aim a bit higher than their actual target audience. Films such as The Goonies, Monster Squad, Explorers - which don't feel like they're made exclusively for kids, but more like adventure films featuring kids.

I miss that, too. And if one day my dreams come true and I get to be a filmmaker (LOL), that's a project I'd love to get off the ground. A live action kids' movie which doesn't hold back, doesn't treat children like they're stupid or infinitely soft, and which adults can enjoy, as well.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

1) outside of Google it would take too long

2) google and life, trust me when you are actively keeping an eye out and rarely see anything cropping up you know

3) so for kids dealing with kid subjects you name films with adult protagonists.

4) so you name 4, 3 of which probably are part of what has made it harder than in the past unfortunately. Spiderwick and Terebitihia both came out months apart and didn't perform to expectations. And as said characters under 14 that aren't changed. Of course you're not going change high schoolers ages, that's what you increase the age of kids in properties up to.

So basically you have no problem that Hollywood is giving you less kids, 14 and under, which is most observable through how adaptations with kids are handled as long as they give you and don't change high school characters? That is what you're basically saying. In #4 you primarily gave examples of teens staying teens while ignoring the fact that I'm telling you high schoolers - sell. And that the problem is when you have a kid character in an adaptation one of the first things you're asked is "can you make them a high schooler?"

1. The point is you don't actually have the date.

2. Except you haven't shown anything.

3. No you said kid subjects, which are actually subjects that touch upon on people's life throughout. There is a difference.

4. Teens are kids. Again I don't know how old you are, but the problems of a 14 year old only get worse when they are 16. You think Katniss doesn't appeal to a 13 year old girl or boy?

You do realize something like How To Train Your Dragon 2 does not apply using your own rules right?

Hollywood makes movies that kids love, and make them with characters in all age ranges, whether live action or animated. What is successful is a different question, but the movies exist.

 

[Kyle]

1) um have what date?
2) do your own research, whether "Darth" believes me or not is of no consequence to me. The poll speaks for itself that I'm not the only one seeing this.
3) I said "kids dealing with kid subjects" for everyone to see
4) So you personally have no problem with raising ages is what you're saying?

Guess why they suddenly made him a heck of a lot older. While I love the film and the tone, I hated that they did that.

Rarer, still exist. And your second sentence to #4 clearly gives your positioning on the whole thing: have no problem with changing the ages of younger characters and making them older. Eh, the kid is 9 in 'The Giver' a book that's lasted a long time, make him a teen - no problem there.

JKR, exactly what I'm doing. In the system. God willing 2016 works wonders. If these films are a success, Hollywood will see it as safe. If like Terebithia and Spiderwick they don't perform to their expectations that will set them back.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

1) um have what date?
2) do your own research, whether "Darth" believes me or not is of no consequence to me. The poll speaks for itself that I'm not the only one seeing this.
3) I said "kids dealing with kid subjects" for everyone to see
4) So you personally have no problem with raising ages is what you're saying?

Guess why they suddenly made him a heck of a lot older. While I love the film and the tone, I hated that they did that.

Rarer, still exist. And your second sentence to #4 clearly gives your positioning on the whole thing, have no problem with changing the ages of younger characters and making them older. Eh, the kid is 9 in 'The Giver' a book that's lasted a long time, make him a teen - no problem there.

1. Data.

2. This is the best you have? Your argument is based on a google search and a feeling.

3. What you listed as kid subjects aren't simply kid subjects.

4. I want your list of live action pre-teen kid adaptations from the 90s, that did not raise any kids ages. If these are so plentiful, this should take no time at all. Movies like Hugo.

They made him older because there was suppose to be three stories about Hiccup (kid, teen, adult) that ended with the answer to where the dragons went.

I don't care about the age of characters, as long as the films are good. It is why as a grown man I sit in the theater watching Disney animated flicks.

 

[Octoberist]

Fight to the death you guys!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Fight to the death you guys!

Don't tempt me.

How many threads can be made about how today's film is a blackhole that go nostalgic about the glory days? Which of course leaves all the problems and disasters of that time period behind, only focusing on a very narrow set of films.

 

[Kyle]

1) which I provided but because it's from the #1 search engine you don't want to take it
2) and yours is based off of what exactly?.... You're going ape-s ranting about providing data, wanting me to do hours of work for you yet you have to provide any data at all outside of "look, they're there." You have yet to provide anything at all really and instead prefer to go the way you do with #3.
3) Improve your reading comprehension Darth, your blunder or beating around the bush is there for everyone to see. I said Hollywood films starring kids dealing with kid subjects. You only picked up on the second, perhaps because the whole was too complicated for you to do. Just curious what kid is the star of Civil War? Just like another one of your blunders where I say "where they don't change the age of a kid 14 and under" then you proceed to list films with characters aged 15-18 as examples. Then when I reiterate your only retort is to beat around the bush even further "um. But high schoolers are kids too ya know."
4) I never said it "never" happened in the past, just far more prevalent today. To which you're going to yet again ask me to do hours of work assembling pages of databases for Darth to peruse while you provide no data outside of screaming for data and saying "there if you look, nothing has changed I'll just keep saying this like it's the gospel while providing no data of my own, not acurately giving the right examples for the most part (#3) and hope nobody catches on because that statement is mostly and only what I have."

Right. Now remember hearing that one.

Gotcha, so this isn't something you're keeping constant tabs on.

 

[-JKR-]

By the way, how can you forget Explorers and The Monster Squad on that list?

Two of the quintessential kids' movies from the 1980s!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

1) which I provided but because it's from the #1 search engine you don't want to take it
2) and yours is based off of what exactly?.... You're going ape-s ranting about providing data, wanting me to do hours of work for you yet you have to provide any data at all outside of "look, they're there." You have yet to provide anything at all really and instead prefer to go the way you do with #3.
3) Improve your reading comprehension Darth, your blunder or beating around the bush is there for everyone to see. I said Hollywood films starring kids dealing with kid subjects. You only picked up on the second, perhaps because the whole was too complicated for you to do. Just like another one of your blunders where I say "where they don't change the age of a kid 14 and under" then proceed to list films with characters aged 15-18 as examples.
4) I never said it "never" happened in the past, just far more prevalent today.

Right. Now remember hearing that one.

Gotcha, so this isn't something you're keeping constant tabs on.

You are still avoiding the point. The movies exist. They my not be as popular, but they exist and are more or less in the same abundance. It is why you can't come up with an actual list and when people pointed out the flaws in the method (obviously missing movies) you countered with there being other missing movies from other eras. Which doesn't help your point, it hinders it. Because it shows how inaccurate your methodology is.

Like can you name live action adaptations from the 90s about pre-teens where they didn't age the kids? Forget that they may have aged up in some movies. My question is can you name the adaptations where they didn't. And in doing so show that it happened less then. Like can you name 5? Because I can name 5 from the last 15 years. And I am seriously asking you this question, as it is the crux of your argument.

A kid subject isn't what you listed. What you listed was eternal themes, that effect all ages. A "kid subject" is far more simple and mundane, which is why we rarely got films about them, even i nthe past. Or do you think teens don't struggle with bullying and child abandonment issues? The loss of a parent?

 

[Kyle]

By the way, how can you forget Explorers and The Monster Squad on that list?

Two of the quintessential kids' movies from the 1980s!

As said, google dropped some from each era. I'm guessing though that it didn't drop a LOT from one era and hardly any on the other. That all said and done, you'd find that it probably evens out percentage wise. It oddly didn't include Jukanji, Matilda, Richie Rich, and could keep going.

 

[-JKR-]

If you wanna go all statistics you better do some better research, otherwise what's the point?

It doesn't prove anything if you randomly leave out stuff.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

If you wanna go all statistics you better do some better research, otherwise what's the point?

It doesn't prove anything if you randomly leave out stuff.

 

[Kyle]

Exist in the less abundance. I never stated they didn't exist or that the method was flawless. I have difficulty believing the overall percentage would change by leaps and bounds.

1) Indian In The Cupboard
2) The Adventures of Huck Finn
3) The Mighty
4) Jumanji
5) A Little Princess
6) Madeline
7) The Secret Garden
8) The Yearling
9) The Witches
10) Simon Birch
11) Matilda
12) James and the Giant Peach
13) Harriet the Spy
14) Oliver Twist
EDITED/ADDING, double checked and age is actually accurate 15) A Cry In The Wild (Hatchet)

There weren't many adaptations or at least not explosion of ya fiction. And no I will not provide links to every one and then link to the film, you're an adult - if you care Darth I'm sure you can put in the time to do that yourself (one easy google method is "year old" and specify book or movie). Should also state those adaptations are about 85% or more the ones that focus on young characters. There were maybe like 17-18 total and one that had no kid characters and added them (We're Back A Dinosaur Story).

ADDING: in the rare instance that somebody knows, 'Escape To Witch Mountain' yes or no (can't find book ages). With the general descriptions out there it could easily be yes, but see no ages listed.

All the kids films in the past dealt with kid subjects, thus should have just said Hollywood starring kids dealing with things in a serious manner (kids, 14 and under).

 

[Alex Murphy]

I enjoyed it, but I didn't love it mainly because I hoped it could have been a heck of a lot better. I maybe had unfair expectations that made it disappointing to me. In that it felt like a classic Disney film, but it never quite reached the same levels to me of "timeless, it will be around 20 years from now still running strong and overshadow a lot of other animated films around it." As said, unrealistic expectations -- but, that's what I was hoping for with it especially since it was heavily promoted as being exactly that. It had a heavy theme that, or at least for me, was blatantly clear and obvious and almost hammering and could have been subtler. As a classic Disney animation film - didn't feel like it measured up to the classics, in terms of new animated films which typically have great writing behind them and most have strong messages - didn't measure up to my favorites and it felt like one of the pack because there wasn't anything really innovative about it in story or design, as a cop film - didn't measure up because the beats felt beyond familiar. Again this is just my take on it. I thought it was good, but nothing special. Although I didn't like it (I was never one for the princess films, so it says nothing about the film itself) 'Frozen' stands out among Disney's self-animated films because it was a radical departure from animated princess films that came before it, it subverted it which made it stand out and I loved the message behind it; I can see that easily lasting a long time and standing out in the crowd because of that.

The animated films from the past six years that have stuck out to me as absolutely loving and that stood out as being something more to me whether that be script, tone, or design. Keep in mind these are both from the dark side of the pool (which I'm talking about missing, not seeing around as often) as well as the light. Also what stood out:

'Toy Story 3' - one of the best ends of trilogies of all time

'How To Train Your Dragon 2' - a rare return to the time of darker cartoons with very serious and bleak/grim subject matters

'Paranorman' - an amazing and well crafted world both story-wise and design-wise

'The Lorax' - best Dr. Seuss adaptation since the 60s/70s (in 40-50 years) (this is when the classically animated adaptations came out)

'Lego Movie' - an innovative marvel on the technical front paying attention to the smallest of details as well as on the zany story/world front

Honorable mentions:

'Peanuts' - a remarkable recapturing of the classic comic and cartoon in a unique visual palette that cleverly captures the look of the originals

'Boxtrolls' - the closest Roland Dahl film I've seen, despite not being based on a Roland Dahl book

I'm used to quality animated films with strong messages in them, thus with these films I'm always looking for "what sets it apart?" or "what makes it truly unique and different?" The films I listed above did that in their own ways.

FYI, it's actually Roald, not Roland.

 

[Kyle]

Okay, Darth even though you'll still not accept this data I'm figuring.

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Tried to stick to characters 15 years old or younger in order to look at it outside of the "make the kid a high schooler!" mentality, compiled from MovieWeb.

80s kid films = 70 total Bold is in theaters, I was born in 1988 so these theatrical notes are guesses - feel free to let me know which ones were and weren't.

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1. The Fox And The Hound
2. Time Bandits
3. E.T.
4. Annie
5. The Last Unicorn
6. Heidi’s Song
7. Savannah Smiles
8. A Christmas Story
9. Something Wicked This Way Comes
10. Space Raiders
11. The Black Stallion Returns
12. The Kid With The 200 IQ
13. Tiger Town
14. The NeverEnding Story
15. Cloak & Dagger
16. The Dog Who Stopped The War
17. The Goonies
18. Explorers
19. Return To Oz
20. The Black Cauldron
21. D.A.R.Y.L.
22. Anne of Green Gables
23. Bridge To Terebithia
24. Ewoks: The Battle for Endor
25. Here Comes The Littles
26. One Magic Christmas
27. The Adventures of Mark Twain
28. The Dirt Bike Kid
29. The Journey of Natty Gann
30. Wizards of the Lost Kingdom
31. Flight Of the Navigator
32. An American Tail
33. Aurora Encounter
34. Babes In Toyland
35. Frog Dreaming
36. Fuzzbucket
37. The Christmas Star
38. The Parent Trap II
39. The Brave Little Toaster
40. The Garbage Pail Kids Movie
41. Bushfire Moon
42. Dennis The Menace: Dinosaur Hunter
43. Hansel and Gretel
44. Pinocchio and the Emperor of the Night
45. The Chipmunk Adventure
46. The Secret Garden
47. Treasure Island
48. You Ruined My Life
49. The Land Before Time
50. The New Adventures of Pippi Longstocking
51. Mac and Me
52. Mio Min Mio
53. Purple People Eater
54. Ollie’s Hopnoodle’s Haven Of Bliss
55. Tommy Tricker and the Stamp Traveler
56. Honey, I Shrunk The Kids
57. Little Monsters
58. The BFG
59. The Wizard
60. Castle In The Sky
61. The Bear
62. Caddie woodlawn
63. Parent Trap III
64. Parent Trap: Hawaiian Honeymoon
65. Prancer
66. Author! Author!
67. Harry and the Hendersons
68. Ernest Goes To Camp
69. Nutcracker
70. Monster Squad
71. The Karate Kid

90s kid films = 158 total. Bold is theaters.

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1. Home Alone
2. The Witches
3. Problem Child
4. DuckTales: The Movie
5. The Nutcracker Prince
6. My Girl
7. Curly Sue
8. The NeverEnding Story II: The Next Chapter
9. Problem Child 2
10. An American Tail: Fievel Goes West
11. Suburban Commando
12. All I Want For Christmas
13. And You Thought Your Parents Were Weird
14. The Polar Bear King
15. The Mighty Ducks
16. Home Alone 2: Lost In New York
17. 3 Ninjas
18. Rock-A-Doodle
19. Little Nemo: Adventures In Slumberland
20. Adventures In Dinosaur City
21. Alan and Naomi
22. To Grandmother’s House We Go
23. The Sandlot
24. My Neighbor Totoro
25. Dennis The Menace
26. The Adventures of Huck Finn
27. Once Upon A Forest
28. A Far Off Place
29. Double Double, Toil and Trouble
30. The Secret Garden
31. Free Willy
32. Rookie Of The Year
33. Surf Ninjas
34. Heidi
35. Little Miss Millions
36. Magic Kid
37. Mr. Nanny
38. Three Men And A Little Lady
39. The Rescuers Down Under
40. Ghost Dad
41. Lantern Hill
42. Hook
43. Ernest Scared Stupid
44. Beethoven
45. Honey, I Blew Up The Kid
46. The Buttercream Gang
47. Last Action Hero
48. We’re Back! A Dinosaur’s Story
49. Look Who’s Talking Now
50. Life With Mikey
51. Cop And A Half
52. The Nutcracker
53. The Little Rascals
54. Angels In The Outfield
55. Little Giants
56. My Girl 2
57. Camp Nowhere
58. Richie Rich
59. D2: The Mighty Ducks
60. The Pagemaster
61. The Santa Clause
62. The NeverEnding Story III
63. Black Beauty
64. Andre
65. Miracle on 34th Street
66. North
67. 3 Ninjas Kick Back
68. Little Big League
69. A Troll In Central Park
70. Father and Scout
71. Getting Even With Dad
72. It Runs In The Family
73. Lassie
74. Monkey Trouble
75. Jumanji
76. Casper
77. A Little Princess
78. Heavy Weights
79. A Goofy Movie
80. Magic In The Water
81. The Big Green
82. It Takes Two
83. The Indian In The Cupboard
84. Whisper Of The Heart
85. Free Willy 2
86. Tom and Huck
87. 3 Ninjas Knuckle Up
88. Tall Tale
89. A Kid In King Arthur’s Court
90. A Feast At Midnight
91. Annie: A Royal Adventure
92. Bushwhacked
93. Just Like Dad
94. James and the Giant Peach
95. Kazaam
96. Oliver & Company
97. Fly Away Home
98. House Arrest
99. Harriet the Spy
100. Dunston Checks In
101. Muppet Treasure Island
102. First Kid
103. Alaska
104. Bogus
105. Frankenstein and Me
106. Kid Cop
107. Magic In The Mirror
108. Jungle 2 Jungle
109. Home Alone 3
110. Air Bud
111. Zeus and Roxanne
112. Leave It To Beaver
113. Star Kid
114. Fairytale: A True Story
115. A Christmas Memory
116. Address Unknown
117. Annebelle’s Wish
118. Babes In Toyland
119. Boys Will Be Boys
120. Casper: A Spirited Beginning
121. Eye Of The Eagle
122. Invisible Mom
123. Little Ghost
124. Oliver Twist
125. Prehysteria 1
126. Prehysteria 2
127. Prehysteria 3
128. Beanstalk
129. The Parent Trap
130. Jack Frost
131. Paulie
132. The Rugrats Movie
133. 3 Ninjas: High Noon at Mega Mountain
134. Slappy and the Stinkers
135. A Kid In Aladdin’s Palace
136. The Addams Family
137. Addams Family Values
138. Adams Family Reunion
139. An American Tail: The Treasure of Manhattan Island
140. Casper Meets Wendy
141. Dennis The Menace Strikes Again!
142. In The Doghouse
143. The Iron Giant
144. Stuart Little
145. Pokemon: The First Movie
146. A Dog of Flanders
147. A Kid Called Danger
148. An American Tail: The Mystery Of The Night
149. Annie
150. Babel
151. Doug’s 1st Movie
152. Beethoven 2
153. Pinocchio
154. Wild America
155. Mrs. Doubtfire
156. Blank Check
157. The War
158. The 6th Sense
159. Mastermind
160. Jack

00s family films = 134 films, more than I expected but mainly because I merged some into my own childhood (born 1988). I did find something that stuck out though, it doesn't shoot out as that odd but it is interesting when looking at everything else. In and before 2005 accounts for 56% of these films. More on this later.

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1. The Kid
2. The Little Vampire
3. Snow Day
4. My Dog Skip
5. Rugrats In Paris
6. Arabian Nights
7. Beethoven’s 3rd
8. Harry Potter 1
9. Monsters Inc
10. Spy Kids
11. Cats and Dogs
12. Jimmy Neutron
13. Max Keeble
14. See Spot Run
15. Back To The Secret Garden
16. Bear With Me
17. Beethoven’s 4th
18. Boys Club
19. Bug Off!
20. Follow The Stars Home
21. Horse Crazy
22. Lady and the Tramp 2: Scamp’s Adventure
23. Harry Potter 2
24. Spirited Away
25. Lilo & Stictch
26. Treasure Planet
27. The Rookie
28. Spy Kids 2
29. Like Mike
30. Big Fat Liar
31. Stuart Little 2
32. The Santa Clause 2
33. The Country Bears
34. A Little Inside
35. American Legends
36. Dennis the Menace: Cruise Control (2002)
37. Finding Nemo
38. Holes
39. Spy Kids 3D
40. Cheaper By The Dozen
41. Peter Pan
42. The Cat In The Hat
43. Secondhand Lions
44. Daddy Day Care
45. Brother Bear
46. The Jungle Book 2
47. Good Boy!
48. A Wrinkle In Time
49. Beethoven’s 5th
50. Blizzard
51. Harry Potter 3
52. The Incredibles
53. Lemony Snicket’s
54. Finding Neverland
55. Thunderbirds
56. The Polar Express
57. Arizona Summer
58. Harry Potter 4
59. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
60. The Chronicles of Narnia
61. Howl’s Moving Castle
62. Cheaper By The Dozen 2
63. Adventures of Shark Boy and Lava Girl
64. The Pacifier
65. Zathura
66. Because of Winn-Dixie
67. Yours, Mine & Ours
68. Hoodwinked
69. Are We There Yet?
70. Kicking and Screaming
71. Rebound
72. Millions
73. Little Manhattan
74. Dreamer
75. Deck The Halls
76. Nanny McPhee (LAST 2005 FILM)

76. Nanny McPhee
77. Charlotte’s Web
78. RV
79. Monster House
80. Zoom
81. Hoot
82. Curious George
83. The Ant Bully
84. Arthur and the Invisibles
85. How To Eat Fried Worms
86. Unaccompanied Minors
87. Everyone’s Hero
88. Bambi II
89. Air Buddies
90. Harry Potter 5 (cut off, age 15)
91. Bridge to Terebithia
92. The Golden Compass
93. Alvin and the Chipmunks
94. The Game Plan
95. Meet the Robinsons
96. The Water Horse
97. Are We Done Yet?
98. Daddy Day Camp
99. The Last Mimzy
100. A Dennis The Menace Christmas
101. Arctic Tale
102. Christmas In Wonderland
103. The Spiderwick Chronicles
104. Bedtime Stories
105. Journey To The Center of the Earth
106. Son of Rambo
107. Nim’s Island
108. Percy Jackson
109. The Secret of Moonacre
110. Kitt Kittredge
111. A Plumm Summer
112. All Roads Lead Home
113. Beethoven’s Big Break
114. Ben 10: Race Against Time
115. Up
116. Astro Boy
117. Race To Witch Mountain
118. Night At the Museum
119. Night at the Museum: Battle for the Smithsonian
120. Hannah Montana
121. Ponyo
122. Alvin Squeakquel
123. Where The Wild Things Are
124. Foodfight!
125. Inkheart
126. Shorts
127. Hotel For Dogs
128. Aliens In The Attic
129. Imagine That
130. Ace Jr Detective
131. An American Girl
132. Arthur And the Vengeance of Matlazard
133. Babysitters Beware
134. Santa Clause 3
135. The Seeker: The Dark Is Rising

One interesting thing of note, in 2009 the age of the live action Ben Ten was increased and was played by someone in their 20s.

10s kid films = (this is including 2016 - so there's 3 more years to go) 88 films, unless there's a huge onslaught of them in 3 years we are looking at a noticeable decrease even from 00s. Again bold means theaters.

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1. The Karate Kid
2. Narnia
3. Nanny McPhee Returns
4. Whimpy Kid
5. Ramona and Beezus
6. Tooth Fairy
7. The Secret Of Kells
8. Jack and the Beanstalk
9. A Turtles Tale: Sammy’s Adventures
10. Arthur 3
11. Hugo
12. Spy Kids
13. We Bought A Zoo
14. Tintin
15. Alvin Chip-Wrecked
16. Whimpy Kid 2
17. Dolphin Tale
18. Happy Feet 2
19. Mars Needs Moms
20. Judy Moody
21. Hoodwinked Too
22. Adventures of a Teenage Dragon Slayer
23. Alabama Moon
24. All I Want For Christmas
25. An Invisible Sign
26. Born and Bred
27. Wreck It Ralph
28. Journey 2: The Mysterious Island
29. Paranorman
30. The Secret World of Arrietty
31. Frankenweenie
32. Whimpy Kid 3
33. Thunderstruck
34. Cowgirls N’ Angels
35. Hansel and Gretel
36. Despicable Me
37. Despicable Me 2
38. Horrid Henry
39. Walking With Dinosaurs
40. From Up On Poppy Hill
41. Angels Sing
42. Anything Is Possible
43. Approved for Adoption
44. Boule & Bill
45. Christmas For A Dollar
46. Big Hero 6
47. Annie
48. Alexander’s Bad Day
49. The Boxtrolls
50. Coraline
51. Mr. Peabody and Sherman
52. Song of the Sea
53. The Games Maker
54. Dolphin Tale 2
55. Secrets of War
56. Isabelle Dances Into The Spotlight
57. Antboy
58. A Magic Christmas
59. Against The Wild
60. The Good Dinosaur
61. Peanuts Movie
62. Alvin Road Chip
63. Paddington
64. Once I was a Beehive
65. The Young and Prodigious T.S. Spivet
66. Tom Sawyer & Huck Finn
67. Paper Planes
68. Ghost Squad
69. Finding Dory
70. The BFG
71. Pete’s Dragon
72. Little Savages
73. Monkey Up
74. Home
75. The Rack Pack
76. The Great Gilly Hopkins
77. When A Monster Calls
78. Earth To Echo
79. Super 8
80. Home of Peculiars
81. The Jungle Book
82. The Young Messiah
83. Where the wild things are
84. Iron man 3
85. St. Vincent
86. Mud
87. Midnight Special
88. Real steel

DISNEY CHANNEL ORIGINAL MOVIE STATS:

80s = 29 Disney Channel Original Movies
90s = 37 Disney Channel Original Movies
00s = 65 Disney Channel Original Movies, with 35 of them in and prior to 2003 (54%) - in and prior to 2005 (73%)
10s = 26 Disney Channel Original Movies (counting 2016, aired and to-air), with 3 more years to go

The early 00s blended into childhood for me, being part kid of the early 00s. I couldn't really tell what the cut off year was in regards to films starring kids, stats point it to a decline starting after 2005.

There have been less Disney Channel Original movies in 2010s than any other era over the course of 30 years (I highly doubt there will be a lot made in 3 years), in the 00s 73% of Disney Channel original movies were made in or before 2005.

The 90s have 158 (93 in theaters), the 2000s have 135 (91 in theaters, with 56% of them made in and before 2005 (alone doesn't look that odd - but also look at that combined with happened to Disney Channel Original movies)), the 2010s have 88 (counting 2016, 52 in theaters - the lowest Disney Channel Original movies ever made and the fewest films starring kids to hit theaters in 30 years).

If you say "count the teenagers!", well it will show up again, hell you could even only count the YA fiction films for the 10s and not the rest and you'd still wind up with a lot less - with a handicap giving it an unfair advantage to boot. "Well, films aren't in theaters as often - they're on TV and other platforms now".... then explain the noticeable decrease in Disney Channel original movies ever since 2005, plus movieweb contained films across all media - so those are being counted as well and it is staggeringly low.

What exactly happened? Well, in 2007/2008 while Harry Potter was a continual success he was already much older. Films like The Seeker: The Dark Is Rising, Golden Compass, and Spiderwick all disappointed and flopped in box office, and the Narnia series after the first was met with lowering box office numbers. Thus, what you started to see over the next many years was a reaction to that. There were already declining numbers, I'm unsure what films started the decline - but, thats what started putting the final nails into the coffin. Plus, it doesn't help that when movies like 'Where The Wild Things Are' come out, was met with good reviews but alongside complaining parents and being a flop at box office... that's a mood killer to suits right there.

If you still have issues Darth, put your money where your mouth is and prove it through data not just talking a big game - anyone can talk, action is something else entirely - so, actually do some research and show us something Darth instead of just talking about it. I've done my homework, I've shown my data. Now I'm throwing the gauntlet down to you - show us your own set of data. Or are you just going to continue talking about how Darth knows best without mapping your own data for all to see to show that Darth knows what Darth is talking about. For examples, that's two lists now both from entirely different sources.

This reminds of the OJ Simpson trial lol, disputing evidence left and right claiming that any and all evidence provided is wrong while relying on talking a big game and conveniently ignoring crucial parts of what's being said (ex: evidently Hollywood movies starring kids and dealing with kid subjects - means 'Captain America: Civil War').

If you come back with retorts instead of empirical data, stats, lists to back yourself up I'll be done having this conversation with you. Provide your own set of evidence counselor (statistics, numbers, data, lists) outside of round-about "Darth talk." I'll be waiting. But, I'll only respond to stats/data/lists - not more "Darth talk."

Open to updating list as per suggestions as well.
To add to 80s: Poltergeists 1,2,3, Fredd Savage switching place with dad movie
To add to 90s: About a Boy (which is maybe 00s), Mastermind
To add to 00s: Signs
To add to 10s: Poltergeist, Dark Skies, inside out

Adjust accordingly. If anyone, even yes - Darth, has any they would like to add, mention it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Did you read your own numbers and then calculate them?

Using your own numbers, the average for the 10s is 12.57 movies per year (this is if you include this year which isn't even over yet), as opposed to 13.4 a year in the 00s. 15.8 in 90s and 7 a year in the 80s. That is less then 4 movies a year difference between now and the 90s. As opposed to the 80s, where you only came up with 7 a year. Now we average about one every 4.1 weeks, as opposed to one every 3.3 weeks in the 90s according to your numbers. Again without this year being over yet and me adding one movie to your list.

Your own list show there isn't that much of a difference.

 

[Kyle]

Well now you concede that there is less. Here's the thing where that becomes more complicated, but basic. With less in total, you have less of each type of subgenre. The one that I, and I'm guessing the other 7 in the poll seriously miss is the dark or darker subgenre subset of those. It wasn't widely available in the past, but with the decrease you mention seeing that means getting that subset is even rarer today than it was in the past. That's why I and at least 7 others on here miss it. It exists. It's still out there. Just since less kid movies are being made that means less of those in that subset are out there today.

Or in short with less product total, you get less products in the subsets as a natural means of that. Which is the Grimms brother type subset of all of those listed.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well now you concede that there is less. Here's the thing where that becomes more complicated, but basic. With less in total, you have less of each type of subgenre. The one that I, and I'm guessing the other 7 in the poll seriously miss is the dark or darker subgenre subset of those. It wasn't widely available in the past, but with the decrease you mention seeing that means getting that subset is even rarer today than it was in the past. That's why I and at least 7 others on here miss it. It exists. It's still out there. Just since less kid movies are being made that means less of those in that subset are out there today.

Or in short with less product total, you get less products in the subsets as a natural means of that.

Are you just going to ignore your numbers? Very little variant. It is less then 35 movies over a decade. And if you divide the list by 6.5 and add those three movies at the bottom, it is less then 24 movies over a decade difference. Less then 2 movies a year. That is barely a difference. And this is without anyone adding anything your list. Stuff missing like How to Train Your Dragon, Jurassic World (You have Iron Man 3 on the list), the Little Prince, and Timothy Green. Then you have Disney's new Adventures in Babysitting coming this month and the yearly Pokemon movies. 8 of those this decade. The three Tinker Bell films from this decade. Moana and Kubo come out later this year.

So add those and then average over the 7 year period is and the average is 15.57. That is less then half a movie a year. Now you could add more to the 90s, but I'll just add more to this decade. There is little to no difference in the amount.

 

[Kyle]

But as you said there is a difference. Also as noted it's been decreasing era by era since in the 90s.

With you now acknowledging the decrease how can you not see that this has impacted each subset? The most noticeable subset to be hit is the live action grimm toned kid films. Yes they exist, but with that decrease what was a couple of films here and then became even more rare as a result. One to add that is the tone but sadly didn't get as wide a release as it should have - The Hole (2010s),

For example, and to go further, you say adult content is in kid shows today. Yes. I agree. But what I miss - Ahh Real Monsters, Are You Afraid of the Dark, Goosebumps, Eerie Indiana. There was Haunting Hour, which sadly got cancelled and to my knowledge there's nothing even there yet to fill that horror/weird/eerie place.

You listed a lot that would definitely count. Unsure about Tinkerbelle though.... Always thought she was a grown woman... Unless they changed that or I've just always been wrong... At the youngest 16 like the other princesses.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

But as you said there is a difference. Also as noted it's been decreasing era by era since in the 90s.

With you now acknowledging the decrease how can you not see that this has impacted each subset? The most noticeable subset to be hit is the live action grimm toned kid films. Yes they exist, but with that decrease what was a couple of films here and then became even more rare as a result. One to add that is the tone but sadly didn't get as wide a release as it should have - The Hole (2010s),

For example, and to go further, you say adult content is in kid shows today. Yes. I agree. But what I miss - Ahh Real Monsters, Are You Afraid of the Dark, Goosebumps, Eerie Indiana. There was Haunting Hour, which sadly got cancelled and to my knowledge there's nothing even there yet to fill that horror/weird/eerie place.

You listed a lot that would definitely count. Unsure about Tinkerbelle though.... Always thought she was a grown woman... Unless they changed that or I've just always been wrong...

The Tinker Bell movies are about a young Tink who was just "born". My niece was obsessed with them for a little while.

There isn't a difference. I just showed you there isn't. Less then half a movie a year. Now let me add 3 more. Ernest and Celestine, The Tale of the Princess Kaguya, and Winnie the Pooh. That is now an average of 16 a year this decade. That means there are more now then the 90s.

Okay you see that number. So how can you say there are more from the 90s on average?

Also, the weird, eerie, and horror stuff is covered by CN. Just watch it. Stuff like Adventure Time is full of horror and the weird. Steven Universe, Teen Titans Go, Regular Show and Gumball are as weird as hell.

 

[Kyle]

You are aware that I listed about 160+ 90s films and there were 88 2010s, so all you basically did was rise that number at max to 100. All who know math know 160 is greater than 100. You are more than open to continue adding to it from over the past. And I'll be generous and say 12 films per each following year.

Weird in design, that I'd grant it but scary. Like hide under your covers scary. Like The Conjuring for kids. I doubt Adventure Time could be described even remotely as The Conjuring for kids. That's a different kind of scary. Like there's a kids puppet show that scares the **** out of me to due design but I don't think the intention for a preschool show about values is meant to be horror.

To stress - not talking about Ren and Stimpy weird. I'm talking Twilight Zone, X-Files, horror story of the week shows. Is there even live action like that around today?Ahh Real Monsters may have thrown you for a loop included it due to focusing on monsters not the Ren and Stimpy aspects of it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You are aware that I listed about 160+ 90s films and there were 88 2010s, so all you basically did was rise that number at max to 100. All who know math know 160 is greater than 100. You are more than open to continue adding to it from over the past. And I'll be generous and say 12 films per each following year.

Weird in design, that I'd grant it but scary. Like hide under your covers scary. Like The Conjuring for kids. I doubt Adventure Time could be described even remotely as The Conjuring for kids. That's a different kind of scary. Like there's a kids puppet show that scares the **** out of me to due design but I don't think the intention for a preschool show about values is meant to be horror.

Are you serious? You were comparing 10 years to 7 years. I raised the number to 112 over 7 years without much trouble. A 16 film a year average. If we get the same amount each year for the next 3 years, and no reason to assume the average would drop, then it would be 160 over the decade.

Do you not understand how math works, how averages work? Serious question. Because you are comparing 10 years to 7 for some odd reason.

You haven't watched these shows, which is why you don't know the content.

I think kids might have an issue with this:

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And of course the weird:

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[Kyle]

Actually 106, with my 'The Holes' that makes it 107. 'Adventures in Babysitting' would be added to the Disney Channel subcategory - it was was already counted in said category. That is why I gave you invisible films to add.

I will say that Adventure Time is darker than I thought. But, reminiscent of the animated films in that level that I grew up loving (everything from classic Disney right on through). So, Ahh Real Monsters is still around, just in a much different packaging as well as classic animation horror. From 'Teen Titans' I'd liken it to Ren & Stimpy just not as gratuitous...

Spoiler

See nothing from any of that reminiscent of Are You Afraid of the Dark, Goosebumps, and Eerie Indiana. Or in short live action Twilight Zone, X-Files, or horror-movie-of-the-week shows. Used to be Haunting Hour, which sadly got cancelled as noted. Still, there were three similar live action genre shows like those adult counterparts named.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Actually 106, with my 'The Holes' that makes it 107. 'Adventures in Babysitting' would be added to the Disney Channel subcategory - it was was already counted in said category. That is why I gave you invisible films to add.

I will say that Adventure Time is darker than I thought. But, reminiscent of the animated films in that level that I grew up loving (everything from classic Disney right on through). So, Ahh Real Monsters is still around, just in a much different packaging as well as classic animation horror. From 'Teen Titans' I'd liken it to Ren & Stimpy just not as gratuitous...

Spoiler

See nothing from any of that reminiscent of Are You Afraid of the Dark, Goosebumps, and Eerie Indiana. Or in short live action Twilight Zone, X-Files, or horror-movie-of-the-week shows. Used to be Haunting Hour, which sadly got cancelled as noted. Still, there were three similar live action genre shows like those adult counterparts named.

They have entire Teen Titans Go episodes based around how hot Raven's legs are.

Your list had 88, plus the 3 at the bottom. Take out Babysitting, I have 17 in my first list, 3 in my next post. That is 20. That is 111 then for an average of 15.86. A .03 difference. Aka the same amount.

Adventure Time does horror. It does a lot of things. They had a entire 8 episode arc based around The Vampire Queen and arcs where they literally went to hell.

Kyle answer something. Don't change the subject, just answer this. A big part of your argument was that films with kids in major roles were lesser. I proved that isn't true and you still continue to argue it. Then you say there isn't certain times of shows for kids, and then I prove that isn't true again showing you examples. Now you want to narrow it down to a subset of television that has nothing to do with films.

So at what point are you just going to admit you were going to admit you were wrong on anything? Like the number of films being made or then content of kids shows today?

 

[Kyle]

Well, I mean.. you saw the image I posted right? A basically nude woman on a kid's show. Granted, it was a much more .... innocent time in risque regards, lol - might be wrong, but it was the first time cartoons started being targeted toward mature audiences outside of small cult animated films... parents just sat you in front of a show and if it was a cartoon had no problem with it, because how bad can a cartoon be right? It's why we got away with South Park for so long, it looked innocent.

Looking at it, and looking outside of here at it - it is the same amount.

All you did was show that Adventure Time is directed at all ages. All I knew was that it's a cartoon and you know as well as I do that cartoons in this day and age can either be all targeted or strictly adult targeted (South Park being the benchmark example of that); so yes - later at night cartoons targeted at mature/adult/risque audiences do come on. So, you didn't prove anything - you only demonstrated that Adventure Time is clearly meant for all ages... unless you want to say that every cartoon is meant for all ages and that mature/risque cartoons don't come on late at night? Basically that South Park is meant to be a kids' show, which I highly doubt. Thus - yeah, times cartoons come on matter as it clearly lays out intended audience.

Looking at it, guess I was just born in the right year to have my childhood centered completely around the darker and scarier children films and stories: the ones handed down to me from the 80s merging into the kid horror shows of the 90s right when 'Casper' and 'Jumanji' were hitting theaters and the Goosebumps books were selling like crazy, then graduating into Disney Channel Original movies with a horror genre type focus albeit not scary (Phantom of the Megaplex, Mom's Date With A Vampire, Under Wraps, Don't Look Under the Bed) and greatest show of all time: The X-Files mixed in with an iconic horror film 'The Sixth Sense.' It wasn't the era, it was just perfect timing in how everything matched up and progressed. Wow. That's weird. The whole of the 80s wasn't like that. The whole of the 90s wasn't like that. Just those years 1994-1997 (or 7/8 -->10/11).