Who here likes James Bond films & Marvel films?

[Brightburn1985]

Now, that I've seen Infinity War and Endgame, I'd like to use fancy James Bond film fan terminology to describe them. To me, Infinity War is Skyfall and Endgame is Spectre. But that's just my two cents.

 

[Detective Conan]

There’s quite a bit of James Bond in Black Panther. If I recall, Feige actually did pitch Black Panther to Ryan Coogler as “Marvel’s James Bond” in one of their first meetings with him. In addition to that, Coogler has also cited Goldfinger as an influence on Black Panther.

And Skyfall is a TDK knockoff.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

And Skyfall is a TDK knockoff.

I do remember Sam Mendes saying that TDK was an influence on the approach he took with Skyfall.

 

[Silvermoth]

I’ve heard a lot of people describe Shang chi as James Bond in Asia which is very cool

 

[Stormborn]

The closest films to James Bond in the MCU are probably Black Panther and Winter Soldier. They've all got intrigue, gadgets, a buff male hero who saves the world single handed, maniacal human villains, femme fatale supporting characters etc.

I don't really see many parallels between James Bond and the Avengers films. One is a series following a British spy with some unrealistic action sequences and the occasional sci-fi gadget, the other is an ensemble superhero series with gods, aliens, robots, magic and time travel.

 

[Stormborn]

Skyfall is a TDK knockoff.

Bardem's villain in Skyfall was definitely a knock off of Ledger's Joker. They even copied the "he planned to get caught" thing.

On the other hand, Bond in Skyfall was aging, past his prime and comes back from retirement so more Dark Knight Rises than Dark Knight.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

The closest films to James Bond in the MCU are probably Black Panther and Winter Soldier. They've all got intrigue, gadgets, a buff male hero who saves the world single handed, maniacal human villains, femme fatale supporting characters etc.

I don't really see many parallels between James Bond and the Avengers films. One is a series following a British spy with some unrealistic action sequences and the occasional sci-fi gadget, the other is an ensemble superhero series with gods, aliens, robots, magic and time travel.

The early Bond films had some heavy Sci-Fi elements - which can seem kind of goofy 50 years later - but I'd personally LOVE to see them bring some of those more fantastic elements back to the franchise while keeping them somewhat realistic in terms of being a measured amount ahead of current technology.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Bardem's villain in Skyfall was definitely a knock off of Ledger's Joker. They even copied the "he planned to get caught" thing.

As did The Avengers with Loki.

 

[Stormborn]

The early Bond films had some heavy Sci-Fi elements - which can seem kind of goofy 50 years later - but I'd personally LOVE to see them bring some of those more fantastic elements back to the franchise while keeping them somewhat realistic in terms of being a measured amount ahead of current technology.

The Bond films have had underwater bases, jetpacks, submarine cars, ejector seats etc but that's still pretty low level sci-fi compared to Iron Man suits, super soldiers, Ultron, the Guardians of the Galaxy, Wakanda etc.

As did The Avengers with Loki.

True. To be fair, TDK didn't come up with the idea either:
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[Willie Lumpkin]

The Bond films have had underwater bases, jetpacks, submarine cars, ejector seats etc but that's still pretty low level sci-fi compared to Iron Man suits, super soldiers, Ultron, the Guardians of the Galaxy, Wakanda etc.

James Bond has certainly been at a different level than the current marvel films, but consider:

1. In You Only Live Twice, Blofield had a space station and was using it to try to pit the Soviets against the US.

2. In On Her Majesty's Secret Service, they were brainwashing people to use them to distribute biological warfare agents.

3. In Diamonds are Forever, they had a killer satellite.

4. In Moonraker, the plot revolved around a space station.

The James Bond films I grew up with shared a lot with the comic-books I read in that they both dealt with larger-than-life elements of space, technology and evil villains with plans for world domination.

Now some might argue that those elements of the movies diverged from the original books, but it's the movies, not the books that made James Bond a household name.

And those films pushed the limits far beyond what was technically possible at the time.

More recent James Bond films aren't nearly as ambitious on those elements, and some might argue that's for the better. But personally, I'd like to see James Bond films that push those elements - but do so in a way that isn't cheesy.

 

[Brightburn1985]

James Bond has certainly been at a different level than the current marvel films, but consider:

1. In You Only Live Twice, Blofield had a space station and was using it to try to pit the Soviets against the US.

2. In On Her Majesty's Secret Service, they were brainwashing people to use them to distribute biological warfare agents.

3. In Diamonds are Forever, they had a killer satellite.

4. In Moonraker, the plot revolved around a space station.

The James Bond films I grew up with shared a lot with the comic-books I read in that they both dealt with larger-than-life elements of space, technology and evil villains with plans for world domination.

Now some might argue that those elements of the movies diverged from the original books, but it's the movies, not the books that made James Bond a household name.

And those films pushed the limits far beyond what was technically possible at the time.

More recent James Bond films aren't nearly as ambitious on those elements, and some might argue that's for the better. But personally, I'd like to see James Bond films that push those elements - but do so in a way that isn't cheesy.

The funny thing is, everything post-GoldenEye but pre-Casino Royale was pushing the limits at that time. But according to Everything or Nothing: The Untold Storry of James Bond 007, the terrorist attack in New York happened and it didn't feel "right" to keep going in that direction.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I'm a big fan of both and there are definitely similarities between Bond and costumed superheroes. Bond even has an iconic "costume" of sorts in his various tuxedos.

 

[heathjack]

what do you guys think of daniel craig's james bond? hes ok!! my favorite is Pierce Brosnan!! i heard that the next james bond could be an women!!

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

what do you guys think of daniel craig's james bond? hes ok!! my favorite is Pierce Brosnan!! i heard that the next james bond could be an women!!

I wasn't a fan of Pierce Brosnan a the time (because I couldn't separate him from that awful TV show he was on), but in retrospect, yeah, he's one of the better ones.

I like Daniel Craig, but I feel like the films starring him have been on a steady downward slide.

I really hated Skyfall. The first two acts weren't bad, but the ending was nonsensical and almost painfully bad to me.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I'm a big fan of both and there are definitely similarities between Bond and costumed superheroes. Bond even has an iconic "costume" of sorts in his various tuxedos.

Yeah, I always felt Bond used comic book elements but presented them in a more "adult" format.

 

[InCali]

Like both. I thought Sean Connery (and Daniel Craig) had the swagger in spades. Connery's Bond would probably be a little hard for me to watch these days. Glad to see we've made some strides since the 60s. LOL.

Really excited about Marvel's future, but wish they'd get to what I see as the meat and potatoes (ie FF, Doom, Galactus, etc).

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Like both. I thought Sean Connery (and Daniel Craig) had the swagger in spades. Connery's Bond would probably be a little hard for me to watch these days. Glad to see we've made some strides since the 60s. LOL.

Really excited about Marvel's future, but wish they'd get to what I see as the meat and potatoes (ie FF, Doom, Galactus, etc).

Exactly. I think Sean Connery pretty much defined Bond, but it's hard to go back and watch those early films now. It would be fun to be able to see a young Sean Connery in a modern version of Bond.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Exactly. I think Sean Connery pretty much defined Bond, but it's hard to go back and watch those early films now. It would be fun to be able to see a young Sean Connery in a modern version of Bond.

I still think From Russia with Love and Goldfinger are the best Bond films, even today.

 

[Brightburn1985]

I still think From Russia with Love and Goldfinger are the best Bond films, even today.

I like Dr. No for what it is, as well. You Only Live Twice, Thunderball and Diamonds Are Forever, I can take or leave.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I still think From Russia with Love and Goldfinger are the best Bond films, even today.

I still enjoy watching them, but there are moments that become distracting. Like now when I watch some of the fight scenes, they look sort of cheesy and I can hear Mike Meyers in the back of my head saying "judo chop".

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I still enjoy watching them, but there are moments that become distracting. Like now when I watch some of the fight scenes, they look sort of cheesy and I can hear Mike Meyers in the back of my head saying "judo chop".

I get what you are saying although I definitely think Bond/Grant on the Orient Express holds up. DN definitely suffers in this department compared to even the other Connery films. It isn't Connery, but OHMSS has a lot of good action in it from the 60s.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I definitely think Bond/Grant on the Orient Express holds up.

I think that's one of the best, most iconic moments in the whole franchise.

And I think that's the thing with some of the older films. There are cringe-worthy moments in all of them, and there are great moments in all of them. The best ones just have a higher ratio of great to cringe.

And I think the Daniel Craig films eliminated most of the cringy elements, but in playing it relatively safe, I also think they don't give us as many of the great moments.

 

[Frodo]

Big Bond fan. I'd love for Chris Hemsworth, Tom Hiddleston, or Michael Fassbender to be the next 007 but I doubt they'd go for so high profile actors in the role.

Still though, Hemsworth would probably be my pick since he'd have the physical presence of Connery , The toughness of Craig, The self deprecation of Roger Moore, and the Suaveness of Brosnan.

He'd be more on the lighter side as opposed to an edgy Bond, I suspect, but I think he'd be awesome in the part.