Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?

[TMC1982]

*Peggy Charren - Peggy Charren spearheaded a major movement (via her watchdog group Action for Children's Television or ACT) to censor cartoons during the 1970s and 1980s. In essence, she was pretty much telling and bullying networks that animated shows couldn't show violence and "anti-social behavior". In the end this left with really no other option for viewers to only watch "pro-social" cartoons that fits into her parameters. In return, Peggy Charren's biggest legacy was probably that of the Children's Television Act of 1990. The Children's Television Act of 1990 was further strengthened in about 1996 via the three hours of education mandate on broadcast networks. Ironically, it really is the only reason Saturday morning cartoons still exist among over-the-air broadcasters, since all the profitable cartoons and kids shows have long since moved to cable (i.e. Cartoon Network, NickToons, Toon Disney, etc.).

*Alfred Kahn - Alfred Kahn is the CEO of 4Kids Entertainment. Kahn has basically been criticized by traditional anime fans, who believe that his "Americanization" and censorship of anime licensed by 4Kids tarnishes their original format.

*Fred Calvert - Fred Calvert is the man who was chosen to finish "The Thief and the Cobbler" (or "Arabian Knight" as it was theatrically released as in the United States in 1995) after Richard Williams was fired from his 20+ year pet project.

*Jamie Kellner - Wrestling fans hate Jamie Kellner because he ordered the cancellation of WCW programming on TBS/TNT. Eric Bischoff and his group of investors were on the verge of purchasing WCW from Time Warner. But when Kellner had the shows cancelled, this gave Vince McMahon the opportunity to purchase his competition and have a virtual monopoly on the North American pro wrestling market. Anyway, Jamie Kelner was also the WB executive who made sweeping changes, which led to the cancellation/retinkering of certain beloved Silver Age WB shows (i.e. "Animaniacs", "Freakazoid!", "Road Rovers", "Histeria!", "The Legend of Calamity Jane", and "Pinky and the Brain"). Kellner has been maligned for allegedly ignoring such shows' popularity among older demographics, among whom the programs often got higher ratings than in the 2-11 demographic (a la "Pokemon") at which Kids' WB! was primarily aimed.

*Bob Camp - Bob Camp is the guy who took over from John K./Spumco on the production of "Ren and Stimpy" when Nickelodeon fired John K. When Camp and his Games Animation production company took over, I think that fans felt that the show became too reliant on cheap gross out jokes. Ironically, when Spumco revived "Ren and Stimpy" on the "Adult Party Cartoon" on SpikeTV, those episodes were even more hated by the fans than the Games produced episodes.

*Michael Eisner - Eisner gained a reputation during his time as the CEO of the Disney Company for allegedly micromanaging the Disney animators out of their jobs, literally forcing Pixar away, killing a lot of the "Disney Afternoon" style shows by only letting them run a maximum of 65 episodes, and churring out straight-to-DVD/video "cheap-quels" to films such as "The Little Mermaid", "The Lion King", "Aladdin", "Cinderella", "Peter Pan", etc.

*Glen Kennedy - Kennedy's animation studio worked on "Tiny Toon Adventures", "A Pup Named Scooby Doo", and many "Disney Afternoon" shows. Animation fans have criticized Kennedy for his apparent knack of sloppiness (e.g. often lumpy, bouncy, and stretchy movements) on the shows he and his company worked on when compared to StarToons (who also worked on "Tiny Toons").

*Mike Scully - Mike Scully was the show runner for "The Simpsons" from 1997-2001. During the time he was the show runner or exectutive producer, there was an seemingly increased usage of celebrity guest voices, more reliance on slapstick and lowbrow humor, and the characters became more one-dimensional. In addition, many episodes during this period centered around Homer, who was seemingly portrayed as being very mean-spirited.

*Carl Macek - Macek was the producer and story editor of "Robotech" (which was originally made up of three unrelated anime). Fans of anime have criticized Macek (who has been dubbed "The Antichrist" on usernet forums) for changing the dialogue in order to remove what he called "ethnic gestures". Also, Macek has been heavily criticized for the major, and some fans argue, pointless changes to the dubbing of "Aura Battler Dunbine".

 

[IRON_Lad]

Thabnks, I never knew These were the people I hated.



Especially that ***** Peggy charren(Goddamn you)

 

[TheFuture]

Meh, her legacy can't be that significant. After all South Park has been pissing off parent groups with no consequences for more than 10 years now.

 

[cabel]

*Runs outside and screams to the heavens*



KEEEEELLLLLLLLLLNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEERRRRRRRR

 

[Superfreak]

I think what Macek did was ok. Not great, but ok. He took Macross, pretty much gave a direct 'translation', but then used the other two series to create sequels. I think it would be hard to organize and redub three unrelated series, into one coherent series. And I think he did a good job at it.

it's just too bad that macross persists to rule ass, but that all the different timelines and retconning just make it uber confusing. One day, they should get a proper N/A distributor to pump out all of Macross for we puny english speakers

 

[tyler-durden]

Thanks TMC1982 I officially hate Jamie Kellner, and it's all your fault, I don't even know the guy but I hate him.

 

[Mister J]

Kellner stands out on to me. I knew about him pulling the plug on WCW, but I didn't know that dirty SOB was responsible for Animaniacs getting cancelled.

 

[Obi-Ron]

Peggy Charren does not belong on that list. There's nothing wrong with pushing for children's programming with some substance, instead of merely half-hour toy commercials. I can't say I ever considered her a "bully" in any way.

 

[EdRyder]

Personally Id have to put David Wise on the list.The man responsible for the Ninja turtles transformation into pizza eaters that say cowabunga.

 

[TMC1982]

*Leon Schlesinger, whose independent animation studio would eventually become Warner Bros. Cartoons. Schlesigner had a reputation for being a very hard-nosed business man. His animators worked in a dilapidated studio, and he briefly shut down the studio in 1941 and 1942 when unionized employees demanded a pay raise. Also, animators who worked with him also found him conceited and somewhat foppish, wearing too much cologne and dressing like a dandy.

 

[BlackLantern]

Kellner is probably the only one I have issue with, blatantly ignoring ratings because of personal preferences is a bad way to do business

 

[SuperFerret]

Personally Id have to put David Wise on the list.The man responsible for the Ninja turtles transformation into pizza eaters that say cowabunga.

As opposed to what exactly?

 

[BlackLantern]

As opposed to what exactly?

The original comic was more gritty and not so sugary...their weapons were constructed from scrap metal, they all just wore red masks....not color-coded....April was not a yellow jumpsuit wearing dumbass

 

[SuperFerret]

The original comic was more gritty and not so sugary

I'm well aware of that, I just don't understand how the guy should be hated for the "cowabunga pizza-eaters" that are responsible not only for the huge popularity of the TMNT, but the fanbase that the comic Turtles have now.

 

[boydston_14]

Kellner stands out on to me. I knew about him pulling the plug on WCW, but I didn't know that dirty SOB was responsible for Animaniacs getting cancelled.

Personally I'm more disappointed because of Freakazoid but all the same that guy just sucks.

 

[BlackLantern]

I'm well aware of that, I just don't understand how the guy should be hated for the "cowabunga pizza-eaters" that are responsible not only for the huge popularity of the TMNT, but the fanbase that the comic Turtles have now.

good counterpoint

 

[EdRyder]

I'm well aware of that, I just don't understand how the guy should be hated for the "cowabunga pizza-eaters" that are responsible not only for the huge popularity of the TMNT, but the fanbase that the comic Turtles have now.

You just answered your own question.Here you have a product that was dumbed down for mass consumption.The initial comic had to be popular in order to adapt it(Which continued in its original concept while the cartoon aired Id add)
I guess my point is-This clearly isnt a product that needed to or shouldve been dumbed down for children.That is,It isnt easily accesible for kids,you have to alter it greatly...So why even do it?

 

[BlackLantern]

You just answered your own question.Here you have a product that was dumbed down for mass consumption.The initial comic had to be popular in order to adapt it(Which continued in its original concept while the cartoon aired Id add)
I guess my point is-This clearly isnt a product that needed to or shouldve been dumbed down for children.That is,It isnt easily accesible for kids,you have to alter it greatly...So why even do it?

Because it can be used to make a ****load of money....Yay Capitalism

 

[TMC1982]

*Fred Quimby - Quimby was the producer in charge of the old Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer cartoon studio. Quimby was very unliked by those who worked with him. He apparently had no sense of humor to call upon (ironic considering that his studio produced the "Tom and Jerry" cartoons). He also apparently knew nothing about animation, as cartoons were a strange thing to him. Quimby was also known to turn down requests for bigger budgets, raises and special dispensations of funds.

 

[X-Ray]

Who runs Toonami/CN ? They dropped ball with JLU and pretty much the whole lineup .

 

[SuperFerret]

You just answered your own question.Here you have a product that was dumbed down for mass consumption.The initial comic had to be popular in order to adapt it(Which continued in its original concept while the cartoon aired Id add)
I guess my point is-This clearly isnt a product that needed to or shouldve been dumbed down for children.That is,It isnt easily accesible for kids,you have to alter it greatly...So why even do it?

Was it really that popular? Really? With a huge mainstream audience that demanded it be adapted into an animated television show? Or maybe, just maybe, someone came across the TMNT, thought "This concept would be a great idea for a kid's show." and marketed it.

It really seems to me that a lot of people seem to be afraid of the idea that what they like might just be "kid's stuff", or at least somewhat acceptable to younger audience.

And don't compare it to Watchmen, because anthropomorphic turtles who fight ninja assassins using martial arts they learned from a rat is dozens of times more appropriate and accessible to children than the political and social commentary that Watchmen gave.

 

[BlackLantern]

Who runs Toonami/CN ? They dropped ball with JLU and pretty much the whole lineup .

well the guys who work on JLU (from what I read) decided to end the show due to the fact that Timm and his staff had been steadily working sice B:TAS (1991)

 

[X-Ray]

well the guys who work on JLU (from what I read) decided to end the show due to the fact that Timm and his staff had been steadily working sice B:TAS (1991)

Ooh .... now I know ........

Spoiler

"Knowing is half the battle" -

 

[EdRyder]

Was it really that popular? Really? With a huge mainstream audience that demanded it be adapted into an animated television show? Or maybe, just maybe, someone came across the TMNT, thought "This concept would be a great idea for a kid's show." and marketed it.

Cant argue with any of this.

It really seems to me that a lot of people seem to be afraid of the idea that what they like might just be "kid's stuff", or at least somewhat acceptable to younger audience.

Not the case at all.In fact I was a kid when I was reading the comics,so,..*shrugs* Not my point tho,.The fact that people felt they needed to stupify the characters because they're teenagers at least says something of what they think of their viewers.

And don't compare it to Watchmen, because anthropomorphic turtles who fight ninja assassins using martial arts they learned from a rat is dozens of times more appropriate and accessible to children than the political and social commentary that Watchmen gave.

I wasnt really trying to compare the two , the Watchmen babies was just meant to be funny.I agree its a dozen times more acceessible.Wasnt it in its original form?How many Adults were reading Ninja Turtles?And what parents would think Turtles was too violent or dark for their kid to pick up?What, it was just too "serious" for kids? They never felt like they needed to make Batman TAS a goofy nitwit for it to be popular..

 

[SuperFerret]

Not the case at all.In fact I was a kid when I was reading the comics,so,..*shrugs* Not my point tho,.The fact that people felt they needed to stupify the characters because they're teenagers at least says something of what they think of their viewers.

That comment was just a voicing of my dislike for the assumption that "dark" and "adult" means quality, not necessarily directed to you. And the "stupification" is just taking the characters and simplifying them to be easily acceptable to children, who were the main focus of the original cartoon.

I wasnt really trying to compare the two , the Watchmen babies was just meant to be funny.I agree its a dozen times more acceessible.Wasnt it in its original form?How many Adults were reading Ninja Turtles?And what parents would think Turtles was too violent or dark for their kid to pick up?What, it was just too "serious" for kids? They never felt like they needed to make Batman TAS a goofy nitwit for it to be popular..

Batman TAS was clearly a superior show due to it ability to be accessible and entertaining to a wide range of audiences. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, on the other hand, was geared towards children under 10 (if even), which was the key demographic of that "Saturday morning" type of show. Just because Timm and Co. kicked ass so well doesn't mean anyone who doesn't hold up to the standard should be one of the most hated people in animation, nor should we look upon them with disdain. It's not easy to produce a product that has such a wide appeal, and I can think of few other animated series that can do so.