Who is to blame for Spider-Man 3?

[Green Goblin]

Well who is it?

I wonder if anyone lost their jobs...

 

[henzINNIT]

Sony. Had they just let Raimi use Vulture like he wanted (pretty disappointing seeing him teased in ASM2) most of the script problems in the film would have vanished. The Ben retcon would still have pissed people off though, and that was in there from the start.

Ben Kingsley man, I mean come on.

 

[webhead731]

Considering it did extremely well at the box office and got mixed to luke-warm reviews, I doubt anyone was fired or really even scalded. You are blowing that out of proportion.
It wasn't to the extent of Catwoman or Batman and Robin.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Its a little of everyone's fault. Sony should have let Sam make the movie he wanted to make, but he should have still been able to write a good script with the studio's demands. He could have introduced Venom or just the symbiote and still tell the main story he wanted to tell.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Considering it did extremely well at the box office and got mixed to luke-warm reviews, I doubt anyone was fired or really even scalded. You are blowing that out of proportion.
It wasn't to the extent of Catwoman or Batman and Robin.

This.

And I think as far as Sony was concerned they were happy with the end result. The movie made a ton of money. In their book it was probably more like 'job well done.' I know most of us CBM nerds give the movie a lot of flack but based on the BO numbers the GA would probably disagree to an extent.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Because I love the symbiote gameplay in the game, I'm very pleased they used Venom for this movie, and I love this movie
And I'm not sure Vulture would have been really better

 

[Picard Sisko]

If Vulture was planned to be in the movie much earlier and written into earlier versions of the script like Sam wanted, it probably would have been much better.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Vulture blackmailing Sandman? Geez, Sandman can make Vulture drown and save his kid
There is no guarantee it would have been better, although I think I heard somewhere the script was rushed after forcing Venom, what I read about the earlier draft is disappointing and 70% bitter

 

[Picard Sisko]

Vulture blackmailing Sandman? Geez, Sandman can make Vulture drown and save his kid

No one said Vulture was going to blackmail sandman. I'm pretty sure that whole story was added with Venom to attempt to tie him into the rest of the movie.

There is no guarantee it would have been better, although I think I heard somewhere the script was rushed after forcing Venom, what I read about the earlier draft is disappointing and 70% bitter

Where did you hear this? lol

I think there is a VERY good chance the movie would have been better if Sam didn't shove Venom into the script.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

No one said Vulture was going to blackmail sandman. I'm pretty sure that whole story was added with Venom to attempt to tie him into the rest of the movie.

I heard that part somewhere about Vulture, not sure if true

Where did you hear this? lol

Don't remember

I think there is a VERY good chance the movie would have been better if Sam didn't shove Venom into the script.

Nah, still far fetched

 

[webhead731]

The actual, real original idea was this:

Spider-Man stopped up one of Toome's business endeavors, which got Toomes really angry and in prison.
Flint had his thing still, but needed someone smart to break him out. So they teamed up. Vulture was over consumed by revenge, and by the end of the movie, Spider-Man tried to reach out and make peace. Vulture couldn't do it and ends up meeting his demise because of his hatred.

They all discussed this and agreed Toomes felt out of place, and his revenge for JUST Spider-Man wasn't doing it for them. They wanted someone who had connections to Peter as well, which is when Eddie Brock came in. It became really convenient because of their relationship at the Bugle, PLUS the relationship they share both having the Symbiote costume. It also worked out because the whole Symbiote-amplifying-aggression bit really worked for both Peter and Flint and then Eddie and Peter.

In my opinion, Venom fit that plot way more than Vulture. I feel they made the right choice replacing him.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Right, because the movie turned out really well. Can you back up anything you said?

 

[Spider-Aziz]

It's better than the reboot

 

[webhead731]

Right, because the movie turned out really well. Can you back up anything you said?

Well, it sure as hell didn't turn out to be as bad as some people make it out to be.

And what, like proof?

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Whoever both wrote and directed it.

 

[webhead731]

http://www.amazon.com/The-Spider-Ma...6643296&sr=8-2&keywords=spider-man+chronicles

This book is my proof. Has plot outlines, reasons, storyboards, concept art, all involving things used and not used. It is a great read.

 

[Picard Sisko]

It's better than the reboot

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Overruled

 

[Picard Sisko]

I wouldn't want to insult TASM by comparing it to SM3. Putting both movies in the same sentence is bad enough.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

The heck is insulting in that?
Spider-Man 3 is a good movie

 

[OcStat]

There both Spider-Man movies, they'll be mentioned together a lot. What webhead731 posted was pretty interesting and I'd have to agree. Yeah, Venom could've been handled better but he is a better fit for the movie's revenge/forgiveness themes than Vulture would have been.

But I easily prefer Amazing to 3.

Why is everyone saying Sony, wasn't it Avi Arad pushing for a lot of the changes?

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I'm sure there are cases where a director didn't agree with ideas imposed by the studio but still made a great final product.

I'm not sure why Raimi gets a free pass, he wrote and directed the movie at the end of the day.

 

[OcStat]

Probably because the other 2 movies are kick ass. And it isn't like Spider-Man 3 has no redeeming qualities.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I have the opposing stance. Spider-man 3 made the flaws in SM1 and SM2 more obvious.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

SM3 actually has no effect on showing problems with the previous 2, time is, and ones point of view
SM2 was the best movie of the year when I saw it, or rather the decade