Who will you vote to nominate for the republican side?

[SuBe]

The resemblence is pretty uncanny.

True.

 

[cookiva]

You know, not to put words in Sinewave's mouth, but I'm guessing he is put off by a public official, one who wants the nation's highest office, wearing his religion on his sleeve in a nation that supposedly seperates church and state. I think that is what he is getting at and not "I hate him because he is Christian!"

My feeling on this situation is this. In a nation in which we are supposed to be open to other religions, there are attacks on a candidate (Obama) for having a muslim mother. That is ridiculous. The people who are making those attacks as well are the ones who are pumping their religious views. Its obvious which religion built our country, but until damning statements like this are gone, we are still going to be a country ruled by God.

Now, its easy for us sane people that having a muslim mother doesn't relate to being a lesser president, let alone person. But Joe Schmo who only hears that his mother was the same religion as those who attacked us figures something is wrong.

Now, away from the rant and to commenting on this statement. I dont like Huckabee, but its for other reasons. His religion has nothing to do with the reason I dont like him. In fact, I do like what he did in Arkansas in terms the general heath of the state. That said, I dont believe he will beat Romney in the caucus, but am ready to eat those words after tonight.

 

[sinewave]

So, the reason you no longer support Huckabee is because he is a Christian? So, the only reason you are not supporting him is his religous beliefs. Way to be tolerant.

not at all. i've known he was a baptist minister since i first heard of him and i've never had a problem with it in general. if you re-read my post you'll see the turning point was when he made a political ad with a heavy-handed christian message in it. he was basically pulling the old "war on christmas" crap by emphasizing christmas and chrstianity and downplaying other religious holidays that occur at this time of year. i only caught it once so i can't remember exactly how it went, but it left a bad taste in my mouth. the lines between church and state have been blurred enough over the last few years, i'm not about to support someone who wants to shatter them completely.

I agree with everything you've said about the above candidates, my only issue is that the underlined statement is like almost everyones opinion on Dr. Paul. If everyone that said I like him but he won't win actually votes for him, he should win by a landslide.

hey, i'm voting for richardson, so i know exactly what you're saying. i just don't think paul will be able to drum up enough support within his own party to win the nomination. maybe the libertarians, moderates and undecideds will help him out, but i doubt it.

You know, not to put words in Sinewave's mouth, but I'm guessing he is put off by a public official, one who wants the nation's highest office, wearing his religion on his sleeve in a nation that supposedly seperates church and state. I think that is what he is getting at and not "I hate him because he is Christian!"

basically. i don't have a problem with someone with strong religious convictions, i just don't want them injecting that into policy.

 

[SuBe]

not at all. i've known he was a baptist minister since i first heard of him and i've never had a problem with it in general. if you re-read my post you'll see the turning point was when he made a political ad with a heavy-handed christian message in it. he was basically pulling the old "war on christmas" crap by emphasizing christmas and chrstianity and downplaying other religious holidays that occur at this time of year. i only caught it once so i can't remember exactly how it went, but it left a bad taste in my mouth. the lines between church and state have been blurred enough over the last few years, i'm not about to support someone who wants to shatter them completely.

Ok, I can understand that. I don't believe that if elected Huckabee would or really, could do anything to blur that sacred line between church and state. Presidents set the agenda, Congress would be the one that would have to enact it. I don't believe that if he would be elected, students would start being forced to pray in the middle of class or anything.

 

[sinewave]

Ok, I can understand that. I don't believe that if elected Huckabee would or really, could do anything to blur that sacred line between church and state. Presidents set the agenda, Congress would be the one that would have to enact it. I don't believe that if he would be elected, students would start being forced to pray in the middle of class or anything.

i'm not saying that would happen, but the radical religious groups on the right scare the **** out of me. i don't want that **** interfering with the health of my government. between chrstian extremists here and islamic extremists in the middle-east, i've had enough of religion mixing with politics and causing way too much trouble. let's a get a moderate who respects science into the whitehouse and leave the extreme religious folk to their flocks. maybe then we can institute some diplomacy and start to straighten out our foreign policy.

 

[cookiva]

While the candidate who's views are in line with mine, Kucinich, is on the far left wing, I totally understand and agree with what you are saying, Sinewave. Its the reason why I like Richardson and Edwards as president. We need someone who will actually bring everyone together in a normal atmosphere. Its easy to unite a country when its been attacked, but difficult when there is nothing.

 

[sinewave]

While the candidate who's views are in line with mine, Kucinich, is on the far left wing, I totally understand and agree with what you are saying, Sinewave. Its the reason why I like Richardson and Edwards as president. We need someone who will actually bring everyone together in a normal atmosphere. Its easy to unite a country when its been attacked, but difficult when there is nothing.

exactly. there's far too much divisiveness in modern politics. religion just exacerbates things. i'd love to see someone get elected who didn't just cater to a small base, but the entire country. someone who will re-establish america's good name and not pit the rest of the world and half the country against it.

 

[cookiva]

exactly. there's far too much divisiveness in modern politics. religion just exacerbates things. i'd love to see someone get elected who didn't just cater to a small base, but the entire country. someone who will re-establish america's good name and not pit the rest of the world and half the country against it.

When I went to get my papers taken care of to travel to china in a few months, I was always told to dress down the fact that Im an American. No baseball caps, no sports jerseys. Now, Im fluent in french, so anywhere I go outside of the country, I pretend Im french.

How sad is that. I love this country, but the fear that comes over me when I hear of kidnappings overseas is horrifying. Its that reason why I want new blood. I dont want a Clinton. I love Richardson, but he is the only candidate that has national experiance that I dont hate. Edwards is my guy. My real choice.

 

[SuBe]

exactly. there's far too much divisiveness in modern politics. religion just exacerbates things. i'd love to see someone get elected who didn't just cater to a small base, but the entire country. someone who will re-establish america's good name and not pit the rest of the world and half the country against it.

I can agree with that, but how do you go about those things? No Democrat has said how they plan on fulfilling those promises. How can you run on "I want to take america back to being great"? What is their plan on getting there? And who's defination of America being Great?


I made up that line, but the intent is there. How do you vote for someone that isnt willing to tell you how there plan works?

How can you vote for someone that is willing to take more of your money that you earned and give it to someone else? Universal Health Care, Social Security, Welfare.

 

[WTFimVENOM]

Ron Paul for the decriminalization of the cannabis

 

[cookiva]

I can agree with that, but how do you go about those things? No Democrat has said how they plan on fulfilling those promises. How can you run on "I want to take america back to being great"? What is their plan on getting there? And who's defination of America being Great?

Kucinich and Gravel have.

 

[Steve Rogers]

Edwards too.

 

[sinewave]

When I went to get my papers taken care of to travel to china in a few months, I was always told to dress down the fact that Im an American. No baseball caps, no sports jerseys. Now, Im fluent in french, so anywhere I go outside of the country, I pretend Im french.

How sad is that. I love this country, but the fear that comes over me when I hear of kidnappings overseas is horrifying. Its that reason why I want new blood. I dont want a Clinton. I love Richardson, but he is the only candidate that has national experiance that I dont hate. Edwards is my guy. My real choice.

yep, that's the sad state of affairs we're in. hopefully whoever gets elected is able to reverse that trend.

i'm for richardson, too. no other candidate has the kind of diplomatic and foreign policy credentials that he has. that's priority #1 for me.

I can agree with that, but how do you go about those things? No Democrat has said how they plan on fulfilling those promises. How can you run on "I want to take america back to being great"? What is their plan on getting there? And who's defination of America being Great?


I made up that line, but the intent is there. How do you vote for someone that isnt willing to tell you how there plan works?

How can you vote for someone that is willing to take more of your money that you earned and give it to someone else? Universal Health Care, Social Security, Welfare.

have any republicans said that? with all the options available to choose from in this election, you've got to use something to whittle them down and root out the stinkers. huckabee may be a great guy with good heart and a great plan for this country, but he lost me when he pulled the crap i outlined in my previous post. at this point i'm looking for a moderate with experience, a good track record (both in domestic and foreign policy) and who comes off as genuine and has the skills to unite this country again. aside from paul and mccain, i don't see anyone like that on the republican side, and i've already listed my reasons for not choosing them (though i should say that my reasoning for not supporting paul is a little incomplete). that's why richardson is my guy.

 

[cookiva]

McCain is the only republican I like. Paul's ideas are too crazy to put in place without others who think like him in congress.

 

[Steve Rogers]

I like McCain too, as a Republican. But I'd vote for Bill Richardson or John Edwards before I'd cast my vote for McCain.

 

[sinewave]

McCain is the only republican I like. Paul's ideas are too crazy to put in place without others who think like him in congress.

that's how i see it. paul's getting the libertarians and constitutionalists all horny over his ideas of shrinking the government down to bare bones, but it would never actually happen if he were elected. congress would never go for it.

I like McCain too, as a Republican. But I'd vote for Bill Richardson or John Edwards before I'd cast my vote for McCain.

i used to like mccain until he let bush and rove trash him in the '00 election and then resorted to going back on his word by kowtowing to the religious right. plus, you know, the whole supporting the war thingie.

 

[Steve Rogers]

i used to like mccain until he let bush and rove trash him in the '00 election and then resorted to going back on his word by kowtowing to the religious right. plus, you know, the whole supporting the war thingie.

Yeah, I've always been kind of wishy washy on McCain because of the whole war thing, but he was a POW for what? Seven years or something? I have a hard time believing that he of all people would be willing to commit young men to combat. I think he may have been saying what conservatives wanted to hear in order to get elected (not that that is anything to brag about either) rather than honestly wanting to send troops into a fate as bad or worse than his own. But this is all a guess, which is why McCain slips lower and lower off my radar with each passing day. But of all the Republicans, he seems to be the only one who cares about the environment and that is very important too me.

 

[cookiva]

Well, let me explain myself on the McCain comment.

Compare him to the other candidates on the republican side. Thats the reason why I like him.

 

[sinewave]

But of all the Republicans, he seems to be the only one who cares about the environment and that is very important too me.

Well, let me explain myself on the McCain comment.

Compare him to the other candidates on the republican side. Thats the reason why I like him.

true, he is the most moderate republican candidate, so that's gotta count for something.

 

[SentinelMind]

I didn't support the war, but I feel McCain is sincere about his support for the war....the surge has reduced violence in the region, so you have to give him some credit. He ws a POW, and he supports banning torture, but being a POW that doesn't make one a pacifist..

 

[bell110]

Paul hit 50% in this poll

 

[sinewave]

I didn't support the war, but I feel McCain is sincere about his support for the war....the surge has reduced violence in the region, so you have to give him some credit. He ws a POW, and he supports banning torture, but being a POW that doesn't make one a pacifist..

that's something i admire about him. if anyone would know what constitutes torture, it's him.

 

[cookiva]

I want to know why people voted for Paul. Now Norman, Hippie Hunter, and Fire I know from reading their posts. Most of the others, however, I want to know their reasoning. I ask because I see Paul as the guy that bandwagoners jump for.

 

[bell110]

I want to know why people voted for Paul. Now Norman, Hippie Hunter, and Fire I know from reading their posts. Most of the others, however, I want to know their reasoning. I ask because I see Paul as the guy that bandwagoners jump for.

No, bandwagoners jump for the person who is popular/going to win. Paul actually has substance to what he says.