Why do you prefer DC?

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, but Aquaman was one of the main lineup. Busiek respected the Big 7 and assembled one of the best teams of Avengers too.

 

[The Leaguer]

Well, lets hope Busiek maintains his idea of the JLA's structure.

 

[The Leaguer]

I checked back over the article that went in-depth into Busiek's plans for JLA, and the roster he mentioned didn't include Aquaman. But thats only his initial arc, so he may include Aquaman after he begins his permanent run.

 

[Anubis]

Isn't Simone gonna have a JLA arc? If so, is that before or after Busiek?

 

[The Leaguer]

Originally posted by Anubis
Isn't Simone gonna have a JLA arc? If so, is that before or after Busiek?

It was announced that she was going to, but apparently that got phased out. Hers was announced a while ago, before Busiek was announced, so I'm guessing that when faced with the prospect of a regular writer, especially of Busiek's caliber, they sacrificed her run to secure his. The article on Busiek's run made references to a possible companion JLA monthly, so hopefully her run got pushed over onto that, and didn't just fade out completely. Thats what I'm hoping anyway.

 

[Anubis]

Yeah, it would have been fun to see her take on the JLA. That chick is a great writer. I loved her Deadpool/Agent X stuff. And Birds of Prey is awsome.

 

[The Leaguer]

All I've read of hers is Birds of Prey, which is reason enough for her to take on JLA, even if only for a short time.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Birds of Prey is great.

Busiek should maintain that philosophy of the JLA. He's maintained his philosophy of the Avengers as a 100% cohesive unit--as opposed to the JLA's looser confederation of heroes that only join up to deal with big threats--throughout all of his Avengers work, and all of his Avengers work has ranged from decent (see Triathlon and the arcs about him) to absolutely phenomenal (see Avengers Forever, Ultron Unlimited, and others).

 

[The Leaguer]

I've only just recently begun following Avengers, so the only actual contact I've had to a Busiek story was in JLA/Avengers, but I've heard and read enough rave about Busiek's Avengers that I'm looking forward to his run on JLA. Even if he isn't the best, it'll be good to finally have a steady team on the book. These solitary arcs have been killing the series, considering the talent (or lack thereof) behind them.

 

[Anubis]

You should most definatly try to find a copy of Busiek's Ultron Unlimited TPB. Best Ultron Story ever. Shows just how cool a bad guy he is. And that line Thor gives when the Avengers bust through the wall after takin on that army of Ultrons...."Ultron. We would have words with thee." Classic.

 

[The Leaguer]

I might check it out, although I've never been too keen on Thor.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Amen. The rotating talent just doesn't work for me. Each writer writes the characters differently, and if you don't have adequate time for each adjustment, you lose the identity of the characters. I remember Batman going from Loeb in Hush to Azzarello in Broken City to Winick in the last arc and becoming nearly unrecognizable. Loeb's Batman is so different from Azzarello's that it jarred me. Then Winick came on and there was yet another Batman. It's like reading about 3 different characters who happen to dress the same.

Oh, if we're doing Avengers recommendations I'd recommend Avengers Forever. It's a bit confusing if you don't know much about Avengers continuity, but it's still a great read.

 

[The Leaguer]

What I'd like to see is a steady team on JLA, such as Busiek and his crew, and, if that companion JLA series works out, a series of solitary arcs on that. That way, JLA has consistent stories with a smooth flow. Meanwhile, on the other title, we get to see different creator's takes on the interaction and teamwork of all of DC's big guns.

 

[Anubis]

Thats really the way all the big books should work in my opinon.

 

[The Leaguer]

I don't know how well that formula would work on other books and characters, but I think it would work with JLA because thats just a huge book with huge characters and a ton of potential and possibilities. I can think of a slew of creators that I'd like to see take on DC's big guns, and if that can happen without taking away the flow of the main JLA monthly, perfect.

 

[Anubis]

Isn't that what Tales of the Dark Knight is supposed to be with Batman? I don't know, I just stick with Batman and Gotham Central. But hell, I could see that workin with Action Comics. At least it would get rid of Austin.

 

[The Leaguer]

Yeah, I think that is how Tales of the Dark Knight is, although I think for the most part, that book isn't in continuity, but I could be wrong. Personally, I'd like to see the companion JLA book in-continuity, as long as the creators leave all the big changes to the main roster to the folks at the regular book. Since the JLA has a large pool of reserves and rotating chairs, the companion writers could pick and choose from a great many chracters they could include without affecting the main book.

 

[Nylen]

I only like DC becuz they have Batman.

The rest licks balls

 

[Tony Stark]

I like some DC characters, but let's face it other than Supes, Batman and Wonderwoman it seems like they fundamentally change every character in their universe.

I never got the "Crisis on Infinite Earths" thing. Marvel brought back their "Golden Age" heros but kept the continuity of who they were. I guess DC thought their characters were to cheesey in the 1930's and 40's so they had to re-write all their origins.

I grew up with the Hal Jordan Green Lantern (who was one of my favorites), now he's somebody else. What the hell was wrong with Hal Jordan that they felt the need to kill him off? And if they make a GL movie, will it be Hal Jordan or Kyle Rayner????

The same thing happened with Flash. What the heck???

Then they take Aquaman, who at least had some originality, and turn him into a knock off of Sub-Mariner.

Still, I love alot of the DC characters, and of us gen-x'ers who didn't grow up watching the SuperFriends, as cheesey as it may have been, you had to love it.

But I just never could get into the comics. I tried to get back into them with the whole "Death of Superman" thing, but that just seemed to be a whole marketing ploy to sell more comics. The story and the artwork in that series, I felt was very poor.

 

[Anubis]

Well, to tell you the truth, Hal isn't dead. he will be coming back in the Green Lanturn: Rebirth mini coming up soon written by Goeff Johns. So, at least you can have Hal back. but I think you need to give Kyle a chance. He is the second best GL ever. Creativity is the key word. He's done things that Hal never did. Plus he has had some great stories in his relativly short stint as GL. Brothers Keeper comes to mind.

As far as Flash, Barry Alan died during the crisis years ago, scince then its been all Wally West who is by far, the best Flash ever. No other flash has had the kind of power that Wally has. Check out some of his trades and the current book which is one of the best comics on the market.

The thing about DC is not so much that they change the characters but that there is Legacy. That these heros move on. Some die, some just get old. Look at JSA. A great team book, that showcases the Golden age heros. Green Lanturn Alan Scott, Golden age Flash Jay Garrick, Wildcat, hawkman, and a ton of young heros carrying on the legacy of those passed on like Sand, Mr. Terrific, and Star. This is the perfect book which bridges the old and new. Check it out.

 

[Tony Stark]

Well I'm glad their bringing Hal Jordan back, but I thought he was too major of a character to kill off in the first place.

 

[Anubis]

I wouldn't have minded if he stayed as Paralx. As an Ultimate reminder to all the heros that power corrupts, but absolute power corrupts absolutly. When Hal comes back, think of all the stories that could come of it. you gotta remember that the rest of the Universe sees Hal as the biggest evil that ever was. He killed billions, through his own actions and indirectly by destroying the GL corps and robbing sectors of the only heros they had. At first I didn't like the idea that he was comin back cause I had grown accustomed to Kyle, but the possiblities for deep character drivin stories are too good to pass up. The question is, will he get a ring right away? I hope not, after all he has done, he is gonna have to do something really big in order to get it back. Whats done is done, and you can't go back. Maybe Hal's return will be a good thing after all.

 

[Darthphere]

Well technically speaking Hal as The Spectre can make everyone forget he was parallax and then come back but I dont know the details of how that would work.

 

[Anubis]

That would be a cheap way out. I want to see this dealt with. He doesn't deserve to get a redo.

 

[Darthphere]

Originally posted by Anubis
That would be a cheap way out. I want to see this dealt with. He doesn't deserve to get a redo.

It is a cheap way out. But if you think about it as Parallax how much did his actions really affect Earth. I mean really affect them. The whole GL Corps took place somewhere else. I can see how many alien races might want to settle a score with Hal but the people of Earth can be made very oblivious to his actions. They elected lex Luthor president right?