As I said, some people, no matter how much we explain it to them, will never get it.
As far as crystal balls, I said this film would fail, and fail it did.
While everyone was accusing me of having a crystal ball, and that the film would make more then Spiderman 1 or 2, I said it would not, and fail. And it did.
Sorry you guys like a lame film.
There is a reason Superman 1 connected with the audience and is considered a classic. There is a reason the Spiderman films connect with the audiences. There is a reason that Spiderman 3 made in 3 days what Superman Returns made in it's entire theatrical run. And there is a reason why SR failed to, and will be forgotten within 5 years. It did not connect with the audience.
And it will be forgotten.
Blame it on stupid theory's like it being released on the 4th of July weekend (many movies released on the weekend became the biggest money makers of the year). Blame it on supposed poor marketing, which I didn't see, as you couldn't go anywhere without seeing SR marketing. I'll blame it on a lame plot, poor takes on the characters, and a story that failed to connect with the audience. So far history has been on my side.
That's funny. That is what most people said, and say, about the SR suit, well except for the suit and movie likers. But hey, it is the classic suit. That garbage they made for SR is not and looks like when the store ran out of the real costumes and tried to make one from pieces of other costumes lying around. And how can you say the SR belt or shield looks pro. The belt looks like some plastic halloween belt hung on with velcro. Oh wait, it is. The shield looks like some piece of rubber bolted in. Oh wait, it is. It totally looks hack. And now the suit liker and movie liker *****ing will commence.i'm sorry but to me this looks like something i would rent at a costume store. the boots, belt, and shiny material look very cheap.
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You know, there is an exact, almost to the word post like this from someone whom I believe is banned made not more than 2 years ago. Almost to the word. Hmm. Someone gets banned yesterday and you show up wiht your first two posts. Hmmm. How long to we have to put up with this mods? We know who this is. Starts with an S and ends with a P.i love both superman returns and smallville for the new passion they brought me. i never read a comic book while growing up, but these 2 presentations have made me fall in love with the superman legend. i have been purchasing superman graphic novels as fast as i can read them. so some may not be happy with these new forms of superman stories, but they have made me a passionate fan.
the new suit color scheme is far better than the rainbow brite colors of the old suit, in my opinion. its texture and materials also blow away the shiny and cheap looking spandex of superman 1-4 and lois and clark.
If it doesn't matter then why are you arguing over it.? If it is over a MOVIE then why do you so passionately argue with people who don't like it. Don't tty this tired liker crap about how you are so above us, and you see it as just a movie, and for what it really is. If you did, then you wouldn't care. But no you come in all the time having a need to defend this film. Pot, meet kettle.Qwerty©;11630947 said:LOL, Ridiculous. You are ridiculous.
You realise what you are doing? You are schooling us over how you were 'right' over a MOVIE. You are insulting us ( "Sorry you guys like a lame film." ) over a MOVIE. A movie about a flying guy in tights, no less. How about you act like a normal human being, stop being so antagonistic over something that doesn't matter and you know, have an adult discussion? I have not seen one post from you that doesn't attack someone or paint yourself as some kind of message board martyr.
Lighten up. There's a reason the majority of people here don't like you. Because you won't let them.
I don't come here to defend the film, I come here to stop the whining so we can all talk about it in a friendly way. I accept you don't like the film, and all I want to do is be able to disagree with you but still talk to you like a fellow human being.If it doesn't matter then why are you arguing over it.? If it is over a MOVIE then why do you so passionately argue with people who don't like it. Don't tty this tired liker crap about how you are so above us, and you see it as just a movie, and for what it really is. If you did, then you wouldn't care. But no you come in all the time having a need to defend this film. Pot, meet kettle.
I have never said anything to you about your parentsThe majority of people here who don't like me are the people who feel the need to defend this film to anything that anyone who doesn't like this film posts, like you. And don't give me this "you want to have an adult conversation because I have seen you make a lot of smart allec comments to posts of people who don't like the film. Posters who you had no conversations to be so angry up to that point. Comments you made just to antagonize, and it made you look childish. And you started your first comment with me months back on a very antagonistic note. Something sarcastic about my mom I remember.
It IS just a movie. You think it is something more than that?See for all of you newbies, these guys have a few techniques. This is one of them. When all else fails, they pretend it is just a movie.
Who is this 'they'? Remember you are talking about us human beings here. We can't all be lumped into a group. Me and Showtime29 both like the movie, but for different reasons. I even share your opinion with the suit, but in different ways.They pretend they are above it all, and only have had rational adult conversations about it. Pretend because they have a history of posting wild and rude comments right off the bat to anyone who doesn't like any aspects of this movie. So they do this 180 turn about as if they had never done anything wrong, or never posted anything antagonistic or negative about an opposing view towards this film. Guys been temporarily banned a once or twice for it. And they the worst insult is that they are above us all. Usually next in the playbook comes the lecture on what hate does to a person as an emotion.
You mean the polls that ask peoples opinions of the film and then represent those opinions in numbers? Yeah, they are pretty reliable."And they do the "no one likes you here" This board is divided between two people, although the movie likers will have you believe that the majority is those who love the film, and those who hate it are a minority. Not true. But they will point to the stupid polls.
There you go, lumping people into groups again.fact is a lot of the haters gave up on even doing the polls because whenever it doesn't swing the likers ways, key likers throw fits.
You know what the nazi's did? They attacked groups of people who thought differently from them. Kinda like what you're doing.But rest assured I do have a lot of friends here, and we talk in private because we feel that when we make coments in the boards, we just get attacked by the group we call "the SR Nazi's".
I thought you were the one who was criticising how other people felt superior to you, but you're doing the same thing now.It's all just a bunch of B/S. And they really hate me because I will stand toe to toe with them, call them on their B/S, and I won't go away.
And it shouldn't. It also shouldn't turn into a place of hatred.Once many of them cried that this should be a board for SR likers only. But that will never happen.
Since when was I criticising your opinion? I don't give a rats ass what you think. I sure would like to talk to you about it in an adult way, though. But I can't do that if you act like any differing opinion is a threat.And I am sorry if you don't like me talking negatively about the film and parts of it in a thread titled asking "Why don'
t Superman fans like Superman Returns" Seems I am answering the threads question.
Then I will go on about how I disagree. Am I allowed to do that?Don't know why you have a problem with me conversing on the topic of the thread in said thread. Oh well, I will go on on why me, a Supeman fan, hates SR.
You know, there is an exact, almost to the word post like this from someone whom I believe is banned made not more than 2 years ago. Almost to the word. Hmm. Someone gets banned yesterday and you show up wiht your first two posts. Hmmm. How long to we have to put up with this mods? We know who this is. Starts with an S and ends with a P.

i'm not sure who you are referring to, but this is my first visit to this site. as stated before, i just started reading superman trades after watching SR and Smallville. i found this great site to further my superhero education and have enjoyed reading many of the discussions. i'm sorry to offend anyone with my opinion on the photoshopped picture. i just think the SR version looks better on film and the classic suit to comics.![]()

good god... lol, next time, just push "submit reply" once.
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my internet reposted like 10 times, moderator please delete these duplicates.

Good lord child, what did you do? LOL
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Yes you did. and this thread is asking why we fans of Superman don't like the film. So if stating reasons why we don't like the film, which is what the thread asks, is whining, then maybe you have a problem understanding a theads subject. And furthermore, I am talking about it nicely, you just don't want to hear it. Another phenomenon I am sick of. We aren't glowing over Superman and it automatically becomes whining. And for the record, we call you Nazi's because you guys refuse to listen to us, and criticize us right off the bat because we are saying what you guys want to hear. I have yet to see a hater say they want this place just to be a place for people to talk about how they hate this film, but I have seen in numerous threads on this site from your side how the superman boards should only be for those who like the film. The haters should not be let in here. That is one sided thinking. Call it Nazi thinking, or call it a communistic approach, it is all the same. You guys have repeatedly stated this over and over again. The truth is, even if you deny it now, your past posts have stated such. You only want this board to be for people who like the film. And it has been posted from your camp a lot. sorry, this is a free country. You don't like my criticism of the film, then don't read it.Qwerty©;11634316 said:I don't come here to defend the film, I come here to stop the whining so we can all talk about it in a friendly way. I accept you don't like the film, and all I want to do is be able to disagree with you but still talk to you like a fellow human being.
I have never said anything to you about your parents
My comments to 'antagonize' you are probably me just disagreeing with you. I can see you don't take kindly to that.
It IS just a movie. You think it is something more than that? Who is this 'they'? Remember you are talking about us human beings here. We can't all be lumped into a group. Me and Showtime29 both like the movie, but for different reasons. I even share your opinion with the suit, but in different ways.
If you insist on separating those whose opinions differ from yours, then of course you're going to feel isolated and angry, because then it becomes more than just differing opinions, it becomes a threat.
You mean the polls that ask peoples opinions of the film and then represent those opinions in numbers? Yeah, they are pretty reliable. There you go, lumping people into groups again. You know what the nazi's did? They attacked groups of people who thought differently from them. Kinda like what you're doing. I thought you were the one who was criticising how other people felt superior to you, but you're doing the same thing now. And it shouldn't. It also shouldn't turn into a place of hatred.
Since when was I criticising your opinion? I don't give a rats ass what you think. I sure would like to talk to you about it in an adult way, though. But I can't do that if you act like any differing opinion is a threat. Then I will go on about how I disagree. Am I allowed to do that?
I am life long Superman fan, I just did not like Superman Returns at all. Waited a very long time for a new Superman movie and what we got was disappointing. The reasons have already been mentioned by other members over and over. Just do a search or read the old threads, as I do not think people should be repeating themselves over and over and having the same arguement that seems to happen all the time on the board.
And as far as this other new guy, I still think he is Saph. How many times has Saph come in with a fake screen name. When cornered, said the exact same thing "I don't know who this guy is. I am not him." Then Excellsior has gone and done and IP address and found it was him. The timing of his first post in this forum and the amount he is posting defending the film all follows the past Modus Operandai (sp) of Saph. Almost word for word. Maybe I will contact Excellsior again to check on him, and maybe I won't. I feel bothering him twice in one week, even though he loved banning Saph, is a burden to him. He has got better things to do than to continually have to deal with some f'tard kid who can't follow the rules. So I will wait this out a bit. But so far, this new guy has said almost exactly the same things that Saph has said three years ago coming in here, and a few times in his various banned screen names. And the timing of his first post the day that Saph in another screen name was banned is curious.
'Superman' tops Saturns
'Heroes,' 'Galactica' top TV winners
By DAVID S. COHEN
Superman Returns
"Superman Returns" was the most honored film.
See Winners
"Superman Returns" was the most honored film and "Heroes" took top honors among TV shows at the 33rd annual Saturn Awards.
Warner Bros.' relaunch of the Man of Steel franchise garnered five kudos, including top fantasy film, directing honors for Bryan Singer and the top actor award for star Brandon Routh.
Pic's scripters, Dan Harris and Michael Dougherty, took the writing award, and composer John Ottman received the best music award.
On the TV side, "Heroes" nabbed top network series kudos, as well as supporting actor and actress awards for Masi Oka and Hayden Panettiere.
"Battlestar Galactica" was top cable or syndicated series.
The Saturn Awards are presented by the Academy of Science Fiction, Fantasy and Horror Films. Kudofest was held at the Universal Hilton, with Greg Grunberg and Jeffrey Ross hosting.
And the winners are...
Best Science Fiction Film: Children of Men (Universal)
Best Fantasy Film: Superman Returns (Warner Bros.)
Best Horror Film: The Descent (Lionsgate)
Best Action/Adventure/Thriller Film: Casino Royale (Sony / MGM)
Best Animated Film: Cars (Buena Vista)
Best International Film: Pan’s Labyrinth (Picturehouse)
Best Actor: Brandon Routh (Superman Returns)
Best Actress: Natalie Portman (V For Vendetta)
Best Supporting Actor: Ben Affleck (Hollywoodland)
Best Supporting Actress: Famke Janssen (X-Men: The Last Stand)
Best Performance by a Younger Actor: Ivana Baquero (Pan’s Labyrinth)
Best Director: Bryan Singer (Superman Returns)
Best Writing: Michael Dougherty, Dan Harris (Superman Returns)
Best Music: John Ottman (Superman Returns)
Best Costume: Yee Chung-Man (Curse of the Golden Flower)
Best Make-Up: Todd Masters, Dan Rebert (Slither)
Best Special Effects: John Knoll, Hal Hickel, Charles Gibson, Allen Hall (Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man’s Chest)
Best Network Television Series: Heroes (NBC)
Best Syndicated/Cable Television Series: Battlestar Galactica (Sci Fi Channel)
Best Presentation on Television: The Librarian: Return to King Solomon’s Mines (TNT)
Best Actor on Television: Michael C. Hall (Dexter)
Best Actress on Television: Jennifer Love Hewitt (Ghost Whisperer)
Best Supporting Actor on Television: Masi Oka (Heroes)
Best Supporting Actress on Television: Hayden Panettiere (Heroes)
Best DVD Release: The Sci Fi Boys (Universal)
Best DVD Special Edition Release: Superman II (The Richard Donner Cut)
Best DVD Classic Film Release: Gojira (Godzilla)
(Classic Media)
Best DVD Collection: James Bond Ultimate Edition (Collection 1 - 4)
(MGM)
Best DVD Television Series: Masters of Horror (Anchor Bay / Starz)
Best Retro Television Series on DVD: Adventures of Superman (Complete 6 Seasons) (Warner)
SPECIAL AWARDS:
The Rising Star Award: Matt Dallas ("Kyle XY")
The Filmmakers Showcase Award: James Gunn (Director or "Slither")
The Service Award: Kerry O’Quinn (former publisher of Starlog Magazine)
The Special Recognition Award: "Alien Xmas" written by Stephen Chiodo & Jim Strain.