Superman Returns The Official Superman Returns Discussion

[KalMart]

Of course he wanted to. Everybody decides things because "they wanted to," if for that. I assumed you were after knowing what exactly justified his decisions. If for "he wanted to," that means you already knew the answer as to why Bryan Singer decided anything; so you had no need to ask (specially me).

I was asking you why you thought he might have left out the action, which may or may not be an intentional 'decision', since you so poignantly pointed out that all superhero movies need it. It could have been an oversight. no?

But that's nice that you know that he made the decisions you didn't know why he made because he wanted to.

If they want humongous numbers at the BO, they need more action, yes.

And a better story direction for the action to actually compliment it.... instead of just garnish, which is all that 'more action' would have done for SR. Perhaps a little more money for the movie...but if you really want to make a lot more, more people would have to like the rest of the movie as well.

Otherwise, they'd just continue the storyline in a sequel and just add more action....which they're not.

That's not saying I'd need more action for liking the movie. See the difference?

better question is.....do you? This isn't about you liking the movie, in case you missed that.

You've achieved acceptance.

Feel free to follow suit eventually.

Not to say that you're not amusing, though...albeit morbidly.

 

[KalMart]

Funny thing about wanting 'more action' in SR, is that if you look at the action that WAS there....

- Spaceship crashing to earth in a gigantic fireball

- Electromagnetic pulse disrupting a plane/shuttle

- Shuttle launching with carrier-plane still attached

- Superman flying to save both the shuttle and the plane, which is hurtling helplessly back towards the Earth on fire...pieces flying off

- Superman catches the plane just feet from crashing in a fully-packed baseball stadium...in the middle of a game

- Gigantic gattling-gun being fired from a roof, Supes deflecting the bullets with ease

- Lois trapped on a Luthor's ship, nearly murdered by one of his thugs

- Luthor causing earthquakes, city-wide destruction, fires, gas leaks, etc.

- Richard goes out to look for Lois in his plane

- Supes catches a falling crane, a falling man, a falling DP globe....evaporates falling glass with heat vision, flies through an underground fire and blows it out.

- A large island rises from the ocean floor...storms and maelstroms everywhere

- Gigantic deep-sea crystals split the ship in half, trapping Lois, Jason, and Richard as they sink towards the ocean depths

- Superman lifts the entire half of the ship out of the water to save them

- Lois, Jason, and Richard escape in the plane, narrowly avoiding a disastrous crash

- Supes confronts Lex on island, but is nearly beaten to death

_ Supes is saved by Richard and Lois, flies up to recharge in the sunlight, swoops down and plunges under the water and sea floor

- He lifts the entire island into space

- Falls back to Earth, exhausted and unconscious, landing in the city....his life hanging by a thread



On paper.....that seems like a lot of action. If you told anyone who hadn't seen that before that you were going to put that in a movie, they'd probably be pretty impressed. And SR HAD IT.....and yet......it still felt like the movie had very little action! t:

How the heck was it......with all that actually happening onscreen....that the movie still felt as if it were slow and bland?

The answer is....it was.


So I don't think it's as much the amount of action, but the quality and impact of it, as well as a story that drives it so that it feels we're actually participating in it...instead of just watching (and really not absorbing) it. SR didn't just need more action...it needed to be a better movie, and a better experience altogether.

 

[El Payaso]

I was asking you why you thought he might have left out the action, which may or may not be an intentional 'decision', since you so poignantly pointed out that all superhero movies need it. It could have been an oversight. no?

If it was an oversight, then it wasn’t a decision.

But same as with anybody’s decisions, I can’t know if it was an oversight either.

But that's nice that you know that he made the decisions you didn't know why he made because he wanted to.

He had money and creative freedom to decide so I assume he wanted to do it that way. But I think I made myself clear when I said that I completely ignore how the SR filmmaking process occured.

And a better story direction for the action to actually compliment it.... instead of just garnish, which is all that 'more action' would have done for SR. Perhaps a little more money for the movie...but if you really want to make a lot more, more people would have to like the rest of the movie as well.

Not necessarily.

Spiderman 3 had a terrible story, dialogues, acting, etc etc. But had lots of good action so it made good money. Transformers had an even worse story but lots of action = good money again.

Otherwise, they'd just continue the storyline in a sequel and just add more action....which they're not.

Didn’t the executives see a first cut of the movie and asked for mor action actually? And then Singer made the bank robbery/bullet in the eye scene?

And they totally could. So far we all assume it’s going to be a reboot; it is most likely, but have we an official announcement for this? Didn’t someone say they’re still trying to keep Routh?

It’s not like executives make decisions based on how good a story is anyways. For sequels what the firrst movie made vs what the budget is, is everything.

And btw... didn’t the executives see a first cut of the SR and asked precisely for more action? And then Singer made the bank robbery/bullet in the eye scene?

better question is.....do you? This isn't about you liking the movie, in case you missed that.

Oh yes. According to the thread opener: “Alright, I thought we should start a thread for discussing Superman Returns so we don't anger the mods any farther.

So let's post our opinions here.”

I’d say it’s pretty much about whether each one of us liked or not the movie.

Feel free to follow suit eventually.

Not to say that you're not amusing, though...albeit morbidly.

Oh, your onanistic semantics game is not doing too bad either.

 

[El Payaso]

Funny thing about wanting 'more action' in SR, is that if you look at the action that WAS there....

- Spaceship crashing to earth in a gigantic fireball

- Electromagnetic pulse disrupting a plane/shuttle

- Shuttle launching with carrier-plane still attached

- Superman flying to save both the shuttle and the plane, which is hurtling helplessly back towards the Earth on fire...pieces flying off

- Superman catches the plane just feet from crashing in a fully-packed baseball stadium...in the middle of a game

- Gigantic gattling-gun being fired from a roof, Supes deflecting the bullets with ease

- Lois trapped on a Luthor's ship, nearly murdered by one of his thugs

- Luthor causing earthquakes, city-wide destruction, fires, gas leaks, etc.

- Richard goes out to look for Lois in his plane

- Supes catches a falling crane, a falling man, a falling DP globe....evaporates falling glass with heat vision, flies through an underground fire and blows it out.

- A large island rises from the ocean floor...storms and maelstroms everywhere

- Gigantic deep-sea crystals split the ship in half, trapping Lois, Jason, and Richard as they sink towards the ocean depths

- Superman lifts the entire half of the ship out of the water to save them

- Lois, Jason, and Richard escape in the plane, narrowly avoiding a disastrous crash

- Supes confronts Lex on island, but is nearly beaten to death

_ Supes is saved by Richard and Lois, flies up to recharge in the sunlight, swoops down and plunges under the water and sea floor

- He lifts the entire island into space

- Falls back to Earth, exhausted and unconscious, landing in the city....his life hanging by a thread



On paper.....that seems like a lot of action. If you told anyone who hadn't seen that before that you were going to put that in a movie, they'd probably be pretty impressed. And SR HAD IT.....and yet......it still felt like the movie had very little action! t:

How the heck was it......with all that actually happening onscreen....that the movie still felt as if it were slow and bland?

The answer is....it was.


So I don't think it's as much the amount of action, but the quality and impact of it, as well as a story that drives it so that it feels we're actually participating in it...instead of just watching (and really not absorbing) it. SR didn't just need more action...it needed to be a better movie, and a better experience altogether.

I myself never knew the movie lacked of action untill I started to read that in superhero forums like this one. It's not like the movie's action had no impact anyways. It's like that for some people. I had more impact from Superman saving Earth by lifting New Krypton than all the action scenes in Matrix Revolutions.

So when fans say "action" they say "Superman punching" basicaly. Literally from what I've read here. That's the "more action" any superhero movie needs.

 

[KalMart]

I myself never knew the movie lacked of action untill I started to read that in superhero forums like this one. It's not like the movie's action had no impact anyways. It's like that for some people. I had more impact from Superman saving Earth by lifting New Krypton than all the action scenes in Matrix Revolutions.

Well....the stuff in Matrix was actually exciting.

So when fans say "action" they say "Superman punching" basicaly. Literally from what I've read here. That's the "more action" any superhero movie needs.

Along with the rest of the stuff. But how many punches, minimum, would have changed that entire movie? What, or who, could he have punched in SR?

 

[KalMart]

If it was an oversight, then it wasn’t a decision.

But same as with anybody’s decisions, I can’t know if it was an oversight either.

But you just said that you know it's because he wanted to. Make up your mind.

He had money and creative freedom to decide so I assume he wanted to do it that way. But I think I made myself clear when I said that I completely ignore how the SR filmmaking process occured.

It's clear that you're ignoring much more than that, actually. So kudos.

Not necessarily.

Spiderman 3 had a terrible story, dialogues, acting, etc etc. But had lots of good action so it made good money. Transformers had an even worse story but lots of action = good money again.

Spidey 3 made its money off the popularity of its predecessor....pretty much the same with X3. TF offered not only great action, but a spectacle that noone had seen before.....and as unsubstantial as the 'filler' story was, it didn't drag it down like the drama in SR. So again, action is only part of the equation. The overall presentation of that 2hr+ experience is what secures it.

Didn’t the executives see a first cut of the movie and asked for mor action actually? And then Singer made the bank robbery/bullet in the eye scene?

Would that fall under the 'filmmaking process' that you 'ignore'? The way he put it was that he wanted to add it in there and had to ask for more money on top of the approved Near-$200M budget. But let's say that is what happened, and Singer did add it in.

Yay.

And they totally could. So far we all assume it’s going to be a reboot; it is most likely, but have we an official announcement for this? Didn’t someone say they’re still trying to keep Routh?

What would every other thing that's not happeneing with Superman indicate....Robinov's interview, writers leaving, Singer signing on to other projects and not addressing Superman anymore, etc?

It’s not like executives make decisions based on how good a story is anyways. For sequels what the firrst movie made vs what the budget is, is everything.

Yes....but what one movie makes as opposed to another isn't a case of random happenstance, it does have to do with the movie itself and how it's received. the more that people actually enjoy watching a movie, the more success it'll likely have. There are some rare cases, but SR isn't one of them because it had every chance to succeed as much as others that made a heck of a lot more and were going after the same moviegoers. So all things being equal, it has to come down to the movies themselves. Someone can take a broad stroke at it and say 'needed more action', but again, that's only part of it. And although it means a long wait in between, WB should deserve credit for actually taking a proactive approach and addressing it as a whole by changing the whole thing up, instead of just looking to patch up some leaks.

And btw... didn’t the executives see a first cut of the SR and asked precisely for more action? And then Singer made the bank robbery/bullet in the eye scene?

See above.

Oh yes. According to the thread opener: “Alright, I thought we should start a thread for discussing Superman Returns so we don't anger the mods any farther.

So let's post our opinions here.”

I’d say it’s pretty much about whether each one of us liked or not the movie.

Which should be completely separate from what $$ the movie made or didn't make....yet....here we are talking about what the movie made and didn't make. Bravo.

But....hypothetically, if someone likes soap opera, no-one can tell them they're wrong for liking soap opera. That's what they like and that's fine. However, making a soap opera out of something that should be an energetic and engrossing superhero movie....well.....it doesn't take much math to figure out why it didn't do as well as other movies that were more energetic and engrossing. Someone may like small, simple, economic cars....but if you make a sports car that gets good mileage and has a lot of cupholders but doesn't have much horsepower, isn't fast, and doesn't handle very well....don't be surprised if it doesn't impress car enthusiasts or sell as well as others that do. Then again, they could always make it 'sportier' by putting a wing and racing stripes on it.

Oh, your onanistic semantics game is not doing too bad either.

That's your gig, actually. Maybe you should start taking notes? Or...at least practice some more.

 

[Sam Fisher]

I'm one of the few people who actually really enjoyed Superman Returns.

 

[Panthro]

I think Kal-Mart pretty much hit the nail on the head.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I'm one of the few people who actually really enjoyed Superman Returns.

I still think its an amazing movie, though it is flawed, and I you'll find there are plenty of people who loved it Sam, they just got so fed up with the negativity surrounding it they stopped coming here, I dont blame them personally.

Got SR and STM on blu-ray yesterday, and would have watched SR today but Star Trek arrived yesterday on blu-ray so had to watch that.

Will watch them both some time soon though.

 

[mego joe]

Funny thing about wanting 'more action' in SR, is that if you look at the action that WAS there....

- Spaceship crashing to earth in a gigantic fireball

- Electromagnetic pulse disrupting a plane/shuttle

- Shuttle launching with carrier-plane still attached

- Superman flying to save both the shuttle and the plane, which is hurtling helplessly back towards the Earth on fire...pieces flying off

- Superman catches the plane just feet from crashing in a fully-packed baseball stadium...in the middle of a game

- Gigantic gattling-gun being fired from a roof, Supes deflecting the bullets with ease

- Lois trapped on a Luthor's ship, nearly murdered by one of his thugs

- Luthor causing earthquakes, city-wide destruction, fires, gas leaks, etc.

- Richard goes out to look for Lois in his plane

- Supes catches a falling crane, a falling man, a falling DP globe....evaporates falling glass with heat vision, flies through an underground fire and blows it out.

- A large island rises from the ocean floor...storms and maelstroms everywhere

- Gigantic deep-sea crystals split the ship in half, trapping Lois, Jason, and Richard as they sink towards the ocean depths

- Superman lifts the entire half of the ship out of the water to save them

- Lois, Jason, and Richard escape in the plane, narrowly avoiding a disastrous crash

- Supes confronts Lex on island, but is nearly beaten to death

_ Supes is saved by Richard and Lois, flies up to recharge in the sunlight, swoops down and plunges under the water and sea floor

- He lifts the entire island into space

- Falls back to Earth, exhausted and unconscious, landing in the city....his life hanging by a thread



On paper.....that seems like a lot of action. If you told anyone who hadn't seen that before that you were going to put that in a movie, they'd probably be pretty impressed. And SR HAD IT.....and yet......it still felt like the movie had very little action! t:

How the heck was it......with all that actually happening onscreen....that the movie still felt as if it were slow and bland?

The answer is....it was.


So I don't think it's as much the amount of action, but the quality and impact of it, as well as a story that drives it so that it feels we're actually participating in it...instead of just watching (and really not absorbing) it. SR didn't just need more action...it needed to be a better movie, and a better experience altogether.

You are right that there was a lot of action in SR. It's just that as has been pointed out the action wasn't that interesting and the story was boring. It doesn't really matter how much action there is it's all about the context of the action within the story.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Just watched SR for the first time on blu-ray and it looks even more gorgeous in that format, some scene's literally look stunning.

I still think SR is an amazing film and its my favourite Superman movie definately, and one of THE best CB movies also.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Lately I've come to appreciate Superman Returns as a film much more. I find that the reason I was disappointed in the first place was because it isn't a great SUPERMAN film.

 

[BH/HHH]

I love this film for sure but I know it could have been better and could have made more money had he released it later or even at Christmas. But I've been thinking alot recently his idea for Superman to go away and come back and so much has changed that he feels out of place was a good idea. However I think the wrong things had changed had he have come back and Lex owned most of Metropolis that for me would have been much better. He could have come back and realised there was nothing he could do to his arch enemy cause the public loved him so much etc etc. I dont think Lois should have had a kid but been bitter towards Superman for leaving her behind, maybe she could have gotten closer to Clark as a result and I would had the villain be John Corben/Mettallo (I'd have had David Morrisey play him). They could have used the plot from the STAS episode Last Son of Krypton where Lex gets Corben to steal something so that he can claim the money back (or something like that) but he doesnt expect Superman to show up. This of course all leads to Corben becoming Mettallo which would have given us our Superfight and maybe Lex could have still stolen the Kryptonian technology but maybe put it to more sinister use in a sequel i.e. the creation of Doomsday, Bizzarro etc or maybe even sent out a signal that brought Brainiac to earth for a sequel etc etc. The movie could have ended with Superman facing Lex and not been able to do anything but Superman telling Lex he'd be watching him. For me this would have been much better and probably pleased more of the audience than SR did. Anyway thats my two cents.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Yeah, I love SR, I still watch it every now and again and still find it a stunning movie, but the public apparently didnt, I really think the movie should have been more sci-fi and that would have gotten the masses in a bit more, heck, even the RTK sequence may have changed this and made the movie a bit more appealing.

It did seem silly that we never got to see why Superman felt compelled to leave the and reason he was so down when he came back.

 

[El Payaso]

^Yeah, I love SR, I still watch it every now and again and still find it a stunning movie, but the public apparently didnt, I really think the movie should have been more sci-fi and that would have gotten the masses in a bit more, heck, even the RTK sequence may have changed this and made the movie a bit more appealing.

It did seem silly that we never got to see why Superman felt compelled to leave the and reason he was so down when he came back.

That should have been explained better. And why the crystals are able to build a copntinent. Not everybody is going to remember the Fortress if Solitude creation scene from STM.

But I still love the movie.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

That should have been explained better. And why the crystals are able to build a copntinent. Not everybody is going to remember the Fortress if Solitude creation scene from STM.

But I still love the movie.

Yeah, same here, I love the movie but some things needed more explanation, there were people who would have watched SR without even knowing STM existed!

 

[BH/HHH]

Yeah, same here, I love the movie but some things needed more explanation, there were people who would have watched SR without even knowing STM existed!

They should have left in the scene where Lex explains that it was him that sent Superman to Krypton. I also think they should have left the scene where Lexand co were walking towards the fortress. Actually I think they should have left all the deleted scenes in especially the Return to Krypton sequence.

 

[Lighthouse]

Just watched it again for the first time in....well years. I'd forgotten how beautiful the production design and cinematography in the film is. Dyas and Sigel probably should have been nominated for Oscars.

My opinion of the film still hasn't changed although. I had forgotten just how completely this film worships the Donner movie, to the point where the whole film becomes trite and derivative. Singer's direction is very good, but the whole Donner reverence and half-baked script completely ankles the film. I still don't buy the idea of Superman leaving without telling at least telling Lois, and if you can't buy that then the whole film falls apart. I may have liked Jason better if they had used a better child actor. The kid is just thoroughly blank and lifeless though and becomes more of a plot device then an actual character.

After that, it's a bunch of little things that pile up into a landfill. The tone of the movie is rather somber. Routh is given very little to do but react and sulk. Bosworth just plain does not work as Lois, and she has no chemistry with Routh. Lex is a one-note villain with a ridiculous scheme, and the whole third act drags at a slow pace.

I still like Bryan Singer as a director and can tell he's passionate about the material, but he made a very lackluster Superman film with a very shaky foundation to base any sequels on.

 

[Lighthouse]

Double Post.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

They should have left in the scene where Lex explains that it was him that sent Superman to Krypton. I also think they should have left the scene where Lexand co were walking towards the fortress. Actually I think they should have left all the deleted scenes in especially the Return to Krypton sequence.

Yeah, that would have made Lex seem more sinister and would have made Superman's situation a bit more sympathetic as well, it should have been left in, but not really sure what they could have cut to keep it in.

 

[BH/HHH]

- Spaceship crashing to earth in a gigantic fireball - this scene was fine but would have been better with the RTK scenes

- Electromagnetic pulse disrupting a plane/shuttle - fine

- Shuttle launching with carrier-plane still attached - again fine

- Superman flying to save both the shuttle and the plane, which is hurtling helplessly back towards the Earth on fire...pieces flying off - The whole plane scene is perfect scene infact probably my favourite scene in any movie ever

- Superman catches the plane just feet from crashing in a fully-packed baseball stadium...in the middle of a game - again great

- Gigantic gattling-gun being fired from a roof, Supes deflecting the bullets with ease - problem with this scene is there's no pay off, he should have destroyed the gun or flicked the villain in the face instead of that minor smile (which they ruined also by showing in the trailers): infact if you watched Smallville episode Crossfire they did a scene similar to this and bettered it Superman shot his heat vission into the gun making it explode.

- Lois trapped on a Luthor's ship, nearly murdered by one of his thugs - I was just bored with this, I didnt care, it was just to show the kid was Supermans even though everyone already knew

- Luthor causing earthquakes, city-wide destruction, fires, gas leaks, etc. F**king awesome scene, one of the best in the movie

- Richard goes out to look for Lois in his plane Yawn!

- Supes catches a falling crane, a falling man, a falling DP globe....evaporates falling glass with heat vision, flies through an underground fire and blows it out. Superb

- A large island rises from the ocean floor...storms and maelstroms everywhere kinds cool

- Gigantic deep-sea crystals split the ship in half, trapping Lois, Jason, and Richard as they sink towards the ocean depths Yawn but did lead to a great bit

- Superman lifts the entire half of the ship out of the water to save them superb, especially when the Superman theme kicks in

- Lois, Jason, and Richard escape in the plane, narrowly avoiding a disastrous crash Again who cares and predictable

- Supes confronts Lex on island, but is nearly beaten to death would've been better had he put up a fight instead of just taking the punishment

_ Supes is saved by Richard and Lois, flies up to recharge in the sunlight, swoops down and plunges under the water and sea floor beautiful scene

- He lifts the entire island into space kinda cool but not as exciting as the plane scene

- Falls back to Earth, exhausted and unconscious, landing in the city....his life hanging by a thread boring, i'd rather he have fallen and realised he was about to hit the ground then grind to a halt, this just dragged the movie on

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

- Spaceship crashing to earth in a gigantic fireball - this scene was fine but would have been better with the RTK scenes

- Electromagnetic pulse disrupting a plane/shuttle - fine

- Shuttle launching with carrier-plane still attached - again fine

- Superman flying to save both the shuttle and the plane, which is hurtling helplessly back towards the Earth on fire...pieces flying off - The whole plane scene is perfect scene infact probably my favourite scene in any movie ever

- Superman catches the plane just feet from crashing in a fully-packed baseball stadium...in the middle of a game - again great

- Gigantic gattling-gun being fired from a roof, Supes deflecting the bullets with ease - problem with this scene is there's no pay off, he should have destroyed the gun or flicked the villain in the face instead of that minor smile (which they ruined also by showing in the trailers): infact if you watched Smallville episode Crossfire they did a scene similar to this and bettered it Superman shot his heat vission into the gun making it explode.

- Lois trapped on a Luthor's ship, nearly murdered by one of his thugs - I was just bored with this, I didnt care, it was just to show the kid was Supermans even though everyone already knew

- Luthor causing earthquakes, city-wide destruction, fires, gas leaks, etc. F**king awesome scene, one of the best in the movie

- Richard goes out to look for Lois in his plane Yawn!

- Supes catches a falling crane, a falling man, a falling DP globe....evaporates falling glass with heat vision, flies through an underground fire and blows it out. Superb

- A large island rises from the ocean floor...storms and maelstroms everywhere kinds cool

- Gigantic deep-sea crystals split the ship in half, trapping Lois, Jason, and Richard as they sink towards the ocean depths Yawn but did lead to a great bit

- Superman lifts the entire half of the ship out of the water to save them superb, especially when the Superman theme kicks in

- Lois, Jason, and Richard escape in the plane, narrowly avoiding a disastrous crash Again who cares and predictable

- Supes confronts Lex on island, but is nearly beaten to death would've been better had he put up a fight instead of just taking the punishment

_ Supes is saved by Richard and Lois, flies up to recharge in the sunlight, swoops down and plunges under the water and sea floor beautiful scene

- He lifts the entire island into space kinda cool but not as exciting as the plane scene

- Falls back to Earth, exhausted and unconscious, landing in the city....his life hanging by a thread boring, i'd rather he have fallen and realised he was about to hit the ground then grind to a halt, this just dragged the movie on

Have to disagree on the bolded ones, I thought the whole 3rd act was superb, however, it wasnt the type of thing audiences would expect from a summer blockbuster, I acknowledge that.

But personally, I thought the whole lifting New Krypton into space and then the silent, exhausted, unconscious descent to earth was brilliantly played out. The people of Metropolis watching unable to do anything as their saviour falls to earth half dead after making the ultimate sacrifice and saving the city. Not only was this scene brilliant, but it was very powerful, and whenever I watch it with other people, whether that was the cinema or at home people are always silent during those scene's, I think thats a testement to how well they were shot.

The only thing I would change about them is not having the doctor remove a shard of Kryptonite from Superman's body at the end of it.

 

[BH/HHH]

Sorry AVEITWITHJAMON but I gotta disagree. The problem with SR's is that its only good in parts, the 3rd act was good up until he'd finished lifting New Krypton but it wasnt superb it really lacked the drama that went into the plane scene (which is the best scene by a mile and actuallymy favourite scene of any movie ever), the final scenes in a movie should be the best and in SR's they werent. The whole death bit just dragged the movie out and I've never disliked a character as much as I disliked Lois Lane in this movie.

 

[Mace Dolex]

I think all the reasons for SR's dissapointment have been mentioned but I'll post my thoughts still.

At first after watching it I felt sort of unsatisfied with the movie but I went ahead and got the DVD, now four years later my feelings on it remain the same.

Basically Bryan Singer did the movie as a thank you to Richard Donner's films and what he thought the general audience wanted after a 20 year wait for Superman on the screen....a continuation of the same formula.

Only thing wrong with it is that a lot had changed in the 20 years that Superman went through many changes that newer fans who weren't familiar with Donner's films couldn't pick up on the subtle references in SR.

Couple with the fact that for a superhero movie there wasn't that many action scenes and throwing in the kid into the story didn't feel necessary, the story dragged in a few parts and it didn't help that certain dialogue was rehashed from STM (still the safest way to travel, you shouldn't be smoking Ms. Lane).

The modifications on the costume weren't necessary, high collar, dark red, thick soles, skimpy briefs, plastic 'S' logo, Superman's plastic headpiece.

 

[BH/HHH]

I agree with what you said Mace Dolex.

They could have kicked the kid out and actually gave Superman some more dialogue. I also think this movie should have been more fun, it didn't have the heart of Superman the Movie.