Superman Returns Why Don't Some Superman Fans Like Superman Returns?

SR is definitely a waste of time. Everybody's time.

She's clearly refering to a possible attempt of explanation, not SR.

Now, if you thought that it was SR that's pretty much a statement lacking of a background there.

Now if your statements were true - at least for yourself - you'd be in your own eyes a man that wastes his time constantly by posting in here month after month and I'd be wondering why and what's the point of such futility.
 
She's clearly refering to a possible attempt of explanation, not SR.

Duh!
Now, if you thought that it was SR that's pretty much a statement lacking of a background there.

Now if your statements were true - at least for yourself - you'd be in your own eyes a man that wastes his time constantly by posting in here month after month and I'd be wondering why and what's the point of such futility.

SR was a waste of time. I want no further wastes of time with Superman, so therefore I wish to see the series rebooted and sequel idea dropped. That is not a waste of time. Superman Returns and a sequel is a waste of time.
 
SR is definitely a waste of time. Everybody's time.

Hehe, very clever, right? Personally, I LOVE to talk about SR and about Supes in general, that's why I'm here. But it seems that you also 'enjoy wasting' your time since you 'live' here as well.. :cwink: duh.
 
Hehe, very clever, right? Personally, I LOVE to talk about SR and about Supes in general, that's why I'm here. But it seems that you also 'enjoy wasting' your time since you 'live' here as well.. :cwink: duh.

I freely admit posting here is a big time waster.
 

"Duh"? So you knew and missed the shot on purpose? :huh:

SR was a waste of time. I want no further wastes of time with Superman, so therefore I wish to see the series rebooted and sequel idea dropped. That is not a waste of time.

Wouldn't it be more appropiate to write to WB or start a campaign instead of posting here then?

Superman Returns and a sequel is a waste of time.
I freely admit posting here is a big time waster.

So you knew it, but you were unable to admit it when El Payaso told you the same thing before. I'm afraid that scratches the "freely" from your admission. :)

Ok, now you admitted it:

If your statements were true - at least for yourself - you'd be in your own eyes a man that wastes his time constantly by posting in here month after month and I'd be wondering why and what's the point of such futility.
 
"Duh"? So you knew and missed the shot on purpose? :huh:



Wouldn't it be more appropiate to write to WB or start a campaign instead of posting here then?




So you knew it, but you were unable to admit it when El Payaso told you the same thing before. I'm afraid that scratches the "freely" from your admission. :)

Ok, now you admitted it:

If your statements were true - at least for yourself - you'd be in your own eyes a man that wastes his time constantly by posting in here month after month and I'd be wondering why and what's the point of such futility.


It's a time waster, but not futile. At least not in my mind. It is an outlet and forum to discuss the horrible film, Superman Returns, but at the same time wastes time I could use for other things. Ultimately, only time will tell if it's been worth it, reboot or sequel. But none the less, it is a waste of time. There's a life out there to be lived.
 
It's a time waster, but not futile.

Of course. Things that make you waste your time are useful by definition.

At least not in my mind.

Weird. I sensed a lack of logic while analysing your previous statement.

It is an outlet and forum to discuss the horrible film, Superman Returns, but at the same time wastes time I could use for other things.

Like more discussion and less bare statements from you. That'd be less of a time-waster.

Ultimately, only time will tell if it's been worth it, reboot or sequel. But none the less, it is a waste of time. There's a life out there to be lived.

That's what you and me have been saying for a number of posts now.

Ain't it ironic to waste time posting in here about what a time-waster for you posting in here is? I mean, specially when we both agree about it?

Anybody could tip about going straight for that life out there instead.
 
Of course. Things that make you waste your time are useful by definition.



Weird. I sensed a lack of logic while analysing your previous statement.



Like more discussion and less bare statements from you. That'd be less of a time-waster.



That's what you and me have been saying for a number of posts now.

Ain't it ironic to waste time posting in here about what a time-waster posting in here is? I mean, specially when we both agree about it?

Anybody could tip about going straight for that life out there instead.

Glad you see it my way, now if only you'd come around to my opinion on SR! :)
 
Glad you see it my way, now if only you'd come around to my opinion on SR! :)

If you were able to agree with yourself, it'd be easier to convince me.

But then again, if you were, you'd be living that life out there and not here. So you'd never know if I agreed or not.
 
If you were able to agree with yourself, it'd be easier to convince me.

But then again, if you were, you'd be living that life out there and not here. So you'd never know if I agreed or not.

ROTFLMAO!
 
Watched this again recently and still loved it, IMO the very good but not spectacular Iron Man is not as good as SR, i also dont feel that IM2 has as much potential as MOS, but we'll see.

What did you guys think of Iron Man?
 
Watched this again recently and still loved it, IMO the very good but not spectacular Iron Man is not as good as SR, i also dont feel that IM2 has as much potential as MOS, but we'll see.

What did you guys think of Iron Man?

I liked Iron Man. I thought it was going to suck but it didn't. Fun flick, and Downey jr was great. But it didn't blow my socks off, and I wasn't impressed by it. I give it 8/10.

SR is so much more enjoyable for me. Its story, emotion, imagery, epic quality and scope, score, and cast, especially Brandon as Supes, blow my mind away every time I watch it, and it actually brings me to tears. IM could never do that to me. :cwink: I give SR 9.5/10.
 
I liked Iron Man. I thought it was going to suck but it didn't. Fun flick, and Downey jr was great. But it didn't blow my socks off, and I wasn't impressed by it. I give it 8/10.

SR is so much more enjoyable for me. Its story, emotion, imagery, epic quality and scope, score, and cast, especially Brandon as Supes, blow my mind away every time I watch it, and it actually brings me to tears. IM could never do that to me. :cwink: I give SR 9.5/10.

Yea, watching SR brought me to tears as well. For all the wrong reasons.

IM is the epitome of what a superhero film should be, SR is not even in the same stratosphere.
 
the ONLY time SR brought me to tears was the opening credits, and that was the first time I watched it...


that was it.
 
I like returns for certain scenes that were astounding, but I'm with Kal. The first time I watched Returns in the theatres, those opening credits were and still are unmatchable. I think honestly more than anything, that was my favorite part of the whole Superman Returns experience. I just imagined what it must've been like when Superman The Movie was released.
 
The guy with the blue suit in that movie is NOT SUPERMAN. THat's the reason I don't like the movie.
 
i got some questions for all the people who love SR and think it's like the most perfect superhero movie ever and give it such high marks.

1) How did you feel when dying old lady says that Lex showed her pleasures that she's never had? Does that not make your cringe or do you think that's a brilliant plot point? To think that Lex would resort to seducing a dying old lady for money is just something I dont think even the comics version of Lex has done. He may have been a mad scientist but I dont think he was ever into the grannies. Lex the Gigolo. I guess for such a brilliant man he couldnt find any other way to make money than to sleep with a dying granny.

2) Did you think Kitty was a useful character? A well written character? A character that added any sort of value? Is this the kind of character that's normally in an adult superhero drama? Personally I find that she's a useless character and was clearly there for some kind of comedic relief and she failed miserably.
 
The guy with the blue suit in that movie is NOT SUPERMAN. THat's the reason I don't like the movie.

Very good. He's just an actor portraying Superman. This a huge step in the reality-fiction differentation. :up:

i got some questions for all the people who love SR and think it's like the most perfect superhero movie ever and give it such high marks.

I rate SR as I rate IM which is not as the most perfect anything. Just very good. So I shouldn't be answering this. Nevertheless I can't resist to satisfy your curiosity.

1) How did you feel when dying old lady says that Lex showed her pleasures that she's never had? Does that not make your cringe or do you think that's a brilliant plot point? To think that Lex would resort to seducing a dying old lady for money is just something I dont think even the comics version of Lex has done. He may have been a mad scientist but I dont think he was ever into the grannies. Lex the Gigolo. I guess for such a brilliant man he couldnt find any other way to make money than to sleep with a dying granny.

Perfectly in character, according to this franchise, and a brilliant way to show us disgusting the charcater is in his soul. He's able to do anything despicable to make money fast in order to have revenge. Not only did he screw the old lady but he also made her to give her back to her family by being a hypocrit.

It made me cringe for all the right reasons.

2) Did you think Kitty was a useful character? A well written character? A character that added any sort of value? Is this the kind of character that's normally in an adult superhero drama? Personally I find that she's a useless character and was clearly there for some kind of comedic relief and she failed miserably.

Very goood written. Lex has always surrounded himself by people that mean no harm or threat to him. None of his henchmen is or could ever be more intelligent. And like that, Kitty is the perfect girl for him that will always be emotionally attached to him and dependant of him no matter what. He even put her life in risk and she felt horrible about it but she stood by Luthor's side all the same. It's the kind of girl that will represent no problems for Lex.

Kitty's written as an ambitious but emotionally weak woman. She loves power, money and comfort and that what she gets from Luthor. When she meets Superman, it's obvious that love is something she also appreciates but will never have. In the end, she despises herslef - she surely thinks she's not good enough for a man like Superman - and that's why she looks for some value in material things as a compensation.
 
Well it sure sounds like you think this movie is perfect. If you'd really like to satisfy my curiousity then please let us know if there's anything you didnt like about the movie. I think some of us who dislike the movie can admit to certain things that the movie did well (ie plane sequence) but it doesnt seem like those who love this movie can admit to any sort of flaw to the movie, as if no improvments could be made.

Also, please let me know where in S1 and S2 did he exhibit behavior that would lead you to believe that he would sleep with a dying woman to gain money. Actual events would help in this case.

Kitty was just a rehash of Ms Texmacher and ms texmacher, as dumb a character as she was was better written. Kitty came off as campy and parker posey camped it up with her acting. And your point about Lex always surrounding himself with those weaker and less intelligent than him is not valid since well, apparently he did ally himself with.. ahem.. Zod and his crew in S2 for like half the movie. Im sure he thought that they couldnt pose a threat to him right?
 
Well it sure sounds like you think this movie is perfect. If you'd really like to satisfy my curiousity then please let us know if there's anything you didnt like about the movie. I think some of us who dislike the movie can admit to certain things that the movie did well (ie plane sequence) but it doesnt seem like those who love this movie can admit to any sort of flaw to the movie, as if no improvments could be made.

If it really will bring some peace to your soul, I'll list once again my personal problems with SR.

- Quotes from STM. What do we need that for? It's crap only. Unnecessary winks. We all got that it's the same franchise, we won't get any happier with direct references. On the contrary.

- Spacey's Luthor. It was ok only. Spacey is able to bring a much more serioues tone to those characters. I see Jeff Bridges in Iron Man and cannot not see an ideal Luthor. Or well, a better one.

- Clark being Superman but oh no, Lois what a silly idea type of jokes.

- Lois fainting after talking to Superman. NOT. FUNNY.

- Weak Perry White. Where's the grumpy old guy?

- The crystals' properties should have been connected to the creation of the FoS. I don't think too many people remember that detail from STM.

And I know I'm missing a couple. I used to have a longer list somewhere, but I doubt I can find in on old posts of mine.
 
Also, please let me know where in S1 and S2 did he exhibit behavior that would lead you to believe that he would sleep with a dying woman to gain money. Actual events would help in this case.

Actual events? Since when the charcaters only do things that they've done before?

But his disgisting taste for money and power could easily led him to do whatever to make money fast. Being a pennyless ex con and all, I doubt he could have get it from business.

It's a more shocking version of Hackman's Luthor.

Kitty was just a rehash of Ms Texmacher and ms texmacher, as dumb a character as she was was better written. Kitty came off as campy and parker posey camped it up with her acting.

Nope. Kitty had a more developed relationship with Superman. Teschmacher fell in love with the guy just by looking a pic of him on the newspaper (I'm assuming since she rescued him because he could help her other and out of the blue she kissed him).

And your point about Lex always surrounding himself with those weaker and less intelligent than him is not valid since well, apparently he did ally himself with.. ahem.. Zod and his crew in S2 for like half the movie. Im sure he thought that they couldnt pose a threat to him right?

He was careful to treat with them, and after the results it is obvious and reasonable that he went back to the less intelligent people as henchmen idea.

So your point of Luthor using Zod for his purposes is invalid after what happened.
 
Since when did Kitty have a more developed relationship with Superman? Just because He saved her from the car? Teschmacher did not fall in love with superman just from reading the newspaper. She only made the comment that he's good looking and always tells the truth and the such just as Kitty said Superman was "cute" when Lex was reading the paper on the balcony scene. The only scene kitty had with superman is that car scene and waht did she say that made you think that their relationship was "developed?" That she had a heart murmur? That she tried to make him stay when he was going to fly away? Cmon now. She did not develop any relationship with him. She was just BSing to distract him since she knew Lex was at the museum. That's not a developed relationship.


And yes.. actual events. You said what he did was perfectly in character with respect to the franchise. Therefore he must have done something in the previous movies that lead you to believe that he would do such a thing. This is how you determine whether or not it's in character because you base it on events from before such as "ok he did this in superman 1 so yeah.. he could probably do such a think in SR." Get it? Sleeping with a dying old lady is NOT what someone who believes themselves to be "the greatest criminal mind of our time" would do. This is a guy who built a friggin hologram device while in jail. Figured out the loaction of the Fortress of solitude. You'd think he'd be able to come up with something better than to be a male gigolo. Not very ingenious. Lex in S1 wanted to be known for being the greatest criminal ever, someone who can come up with such an ingenious and diabolical scheme that the world will see him as a genius, but what he does in SR to get money is even below him and would not garner the respect and notoriety he wants. And it's lame that the writers thought this was the only way to show he's despicable. There's many other ways they could do it. I wonder what kids thought when they watched this scene. If I were a parent I would totally think it's inappropriate for a Superman movie.

Btw.. I have no idea what your point is when you wrote this "Not only did he screw the old lady but he also made her to give her back to her family by being a hypocrit." I don't think english is your first language but I just didn't understand the point you were trying to make here.

Ahh.. my point is valid about lex surrounding himself with weaker people. You said ALWAYS. So apparently he doesnt always do it. If he always surrounds himself with weaker people he would have never gone into an agreement with 3 kryptonians in the first place. A better way to state it is that Lex will ally himself with anyone who can help him toward his goal.. not just because they're weak. This is then true for the movies as well as the comics Lex.

Spacey could always play a more menacing Lex. It's just the material he was given sucked. I would rather he be more like his Keyser Soze character. A ruthless, eloquent, genius.

And please.. you need to get off your high horse and stop your condescending attitude thinking you're bringing peace to my soul or satisfying my curiousity. My question was directed at a group.. not just you.
 
Since when did Kitty have a more developed relationship with Superman? Just because He saved her from the car? Teschmacher did not fall in love with superman just from reading the newspaper. She only made the comment that he's good looking and always tells the truth and the such just as Kitty said Superman was "cute" when Lex was reading the paper on the balcony scene. The only scene kitty had with superman is that car scene and waht did she say that made you think that their relationship was "developed?" That she had a heart murmur? That she tried to make him stay when he was going to fly away? Cmon now. She did not develop any relationship with him. She was just BSing to distract him since she knew Lex was at the museum. That's not a developed relationship.

Kitty and Superman had the rescue-hospital scene where she started to feel admirationm for Superman.

Teschmacher had none.

Kitty was not Bsing since at that point she knew Lex cut the car’s breaks for real when it was supposed to be a hoax. At the point, as we know later, she was furious at Lex.

And yes.. actual events. You said what he did was perfectly in character with respect to the franchise. Therefore he must have done something in the previous movies that lead you to believe that he would do such a thing. This is how you determine whether or not it's in character because you base it on events from before such as "ok he did this in superman 1 so yeah.. he could probably do such a think in SR." Get it? Sleeping with a dying old lady is NOT what someone who believes themselves to be "the greatest criminal mind of our time" would do. This is a guy who built a friggin hologram device while in jail. Figured out the loaction of the Fortress of solitude. You'd think he'd be able to come up with something better than to be a male gigolo. Not very ingenious.

He’s a pennyless convict, he has no choice but to leave everything aside in order to regain freedom and power. It is suggested that Gertrude helped him to get free from jail (“all good men deserve a second chance. From the moment I received your first letter I knew you were not like the rest.”) so he needed her to go free and rich again in a short period of time.

Quite ingenious I say. Disgusting but ingenious, like Luthor himself.

Everything he did on STM and SR shows he’s able to do anything for his goals. To betray Zod and become Superman’s temporary allie only to betray Superman. At that point, his situation was so precarious that he had to ally himself with his main enemy, leaving his proud away in order to save his neck.

So, as we saw on SII, he’s able to degrade himself in order to do so. Thus, consistent with the character.

And it's lame that the writers thought this was the only way to show he's despicable. There's many other ways they could do it. I wonder what kids thought when they watched this scene. If I were a parent I would totally think it's inappropriate for a Superman movie.

And this is one of my favourite line of arguments. The idea is bad because of what little kids could think or feel about it. Kids can go and watch lazy Town for all I care. Superman deserves an adult movie now and then.

Please tell me how kid-friendly is the universal measure for quality.

Every scene in every movie could have been done differently. But artists make decisions. From those decisions comes style.

Btw.. I have no idea what your point is when you wrote this "Not only did he screw the old lady but he also made her to give her back to her family by being a hypocrit." I don't think english is your first language but I just didn't understand the point you were trying to make here.

All the Gertrude’s family was against her “friendship” with Luthor. Nevertheless she kept having Luthor as her lover and denied her own family any attention or money when she signed her will giving everything to Lex.

By being a hypocrit, Luthor achieved not only the money but to turn Gertrude against her own family.

Ahh.. my point is valid about lex surrounding himself with weaker people. You said ALWAYS. So apparently he doesnt always do it. If he always surrounds himself with weaker people he would have never gone into an agreement with 3 kryptonians in the first place. A better way to state it is that Lex will ally himself with anyone who can help him toward his goal.. not just because they're weak. This is then true for the movies as well as the comics Lex.

Luthor always gets involved with what he thinks are not that intelligent people. What happened with Zod is that he thought he could handle the Kryptonians in a much easier way but his calculations failed.

Spacey could always play a more menacing Lex. It's just the material he was given sucked. I would rather he be more like his Keyser Soze character. A ruthless, eloquent, genius.

I think I myself said something about Spacey’s Lex as a weak point in the movie?

And please.. you need to get off your high horse and stop your condescending attitude thinking you're bringing peace to my soul or satisfying my curiousity. My question was directed at a group.. not just you.

It is not the first time, nor will be the last one, that El Payaso’s generosity is rewarded with harsh ungratefulness.

No, but reallu, don't take everything so seriously.
 
I liked Iron Man. I thought it was going to suck but it didn't. Fun flick, and Downey jr was great. But it didn't blow my socks off, and I wasn't impressed by it. I give it 8/10.

SR is so much more enjoyable for me. Its story, emotion, imagery, epic quality and scope, score, and cast, especially Brandon as Supes, blow my mind away every time I watch it, and it actually brings me to tears. IM could never do that to me. :cwink: I give SR 9.5/10.

Those are pretty much my scores on the movies, Iron Man didnt overwhelm me, like SR did, IM was very good, SR is great, the action scene's in SR are for the most part much better than the ones in IM IMO. But yeah, RDJ was awesome, and IM2 should be amazing.

i got some questions for all the people who love SR and think it's like the most perfect superhero movie ever and give it such high marks.

Okay, first, i dont think SR is perfect, second, i dont think its the best SH movie ever either, check my sig for evidence.

1) How did you feel when dying old lady says that Lex showed her pleasures that she's never had? Does that not make your cringe or do you think that's a brilliant plot point? To think that Lex would resort to seducing a dying old lady for money is just something I dont think even the comics version of Lex has done. He may have been a mad scientist but I dont think he was ever into the grannies. Lex the Gigolo. I guess for such a brilliant man he couldnt find any other way to make money than to sleep with a dying granny.

It did make me cringe, but the way that the scene intended us to, and she didnt just help him get money, she helped him get out of prison, he USED her, to make his plans come to fruition. Doesnt sound like Lex from the comics at all does it? Come on dude, this was totally something Lex would do.

2) Did you think Kitty was a useful character? A well written character? A character that added any sort of value? Is this the kind of character that's normally in an adult superhero drama? Personally I find that she's a useless character and was clearly there for some kind of comedic relief and she failed miserably.

I thought she had some very good scene's, that werent comic relief. The comic relief parts i liked, and the way she made fun of Lex was great. But in the 3rd act, she truly sees what a monstor Lex is, and her crying at the beating of Superman on NK, was very powerful, and added greatly to the scene. Also, her asking Lex if billions of people are really going to die, showed she had a heart and wasnt inherintly evil, and her getting rid of the crystals was a great scene too. So yes, i do think she added some value.
 
Signer is ok, Routh is ok. Stop having Lex in all superman movies & put a new villain and Superman is back in business!
 

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