Superman Returns Why Don't Some Superman Fans Like Superman Returns?

[Mattchew]

read between the lines..

 

[CLARKY]

I've posted my reasons before. However, the very first reason still remains the strongest>>"THAT INCREDIBLY AWFUL SUIT"!!!
Aside from that, here's a small list of a few other objections:
1) Teeny-bobber Lois...
2) "Supes the stalker"..
3) Lex and yet another "land scam".
4) The bastard son of Superman..
5) Supes gone for 5 years without reason..
6) Kryptonite issues..
7) A Superboy instead of a Superman..
8) No new villians..
Just a few of my problems with this Super-Flop! As a side note, there was a fan made film made entitled "World's Finest". It shows like a trailer. Check it out on You Tube. The Superman in that is just the Superman we should have gotten in Singer's travesty.

excuse me but I don't understand some of you terms, (english is not my first language) :-what does it mean "Teeny-bobber " ? small breast ?
- the stalker ? like "harassment" ?
other than that :
3)I don't see why there is a problem with the "land scam" . Luthor built an island of kryptonite. A part of Superman homeland is reborn but fatal to him. The only place on earth where Superman can be difeated by a simple human. The most imortant thing is not what Luthor intented to do with it (he's pre-crisis luthor, mad scientist, he doesn't see where this is going to lead him) but what the effects are on Superman.
4) well, I "agree". I dislike the son as well but I'm waiting for the sequel to see what is going to happen. Singer is placing his pawns. You looks like those "superman fans" who hated Smallville since the beginning and now are realizing it worth it. Of course it worth it , but it was necessary to wait for the characters to develop, and then discover an even bigger impact.
5) gone without a reason ? He was heading toward Krypton ! Me, I think it is not a valid reason to "give up" the earth and leave without explanation, above without explanation. But first, it makes it more interesting when he returnes because he has to earn people's trust again, and it make it possible to develop the hero, learn that anything is due. People are always complaining that Supes is perfect and boring : in this movie, he is not perfect at all and has to deal with ALL the consequences of his acts. I find it interesting. (even if, again, I disagree with him). And then, Bryan Singer does see Superman as an alien, an orphan, as Kal El. Again, this is not my point of view at all, but from this point of view, it's understandable Superman wants to see if his homeworld still exists.
6) Here again, I'm in "disagreement" with Bryan Singer, because I think Kryptonite should affect Superman immediately (ala Lois& Clark or Smallville) . But B.Singer see it differently : it makes the story about the island possible. If it was Kryptonite like in the comicbooks, the island alone would have irriadated him. He couldn't have come close to it. It's not my point of view but I find it interesting nevertheless. (I want to add that Kryptonite is usually glowing, not here. )
7) If the definition of Superman for you is the alpha male ala Sandy Collora, well maybe it's time to evolve a little. A man doesn't have to have a lot of muscles and kick some ass to assume his virility. Or if you were thinking about the "I'm still Superman" line, the first time I was surprised but I realized that he was brave enough to claim his identity while he is certainly going to die. And again, B.Singer showed a vulnerable hero, who keeps doing his job yet. Wow! What a man. So if you think admit his vulnerability is what makes you a woman, well .... yes go for Sandy Collora's film. (which I oved by the way but not for these specific reasons). People claim Superman is boring because he is invincible, here he is not invincible, isn't it bad ? He's crying, does it make him gay? or a woman ?
Would you prefer him to win with a big punch in the face of the giant robot ? ala Judge Dredd ?
Me, this is what I preferred the most in this film : the depiction of a man who assume his vulnerability. <-- IMO.
8) Me, I prefer to introduce a character with a well known villain before introducing a new one, it allow to develop things about the hero without making an origin story, etc, etc... I'm waiting for the sequel. But you are right, it could have been fun to introduce a new one, even a minor one, or the prequel to it.

I don't understand how it is possible to hate a film that much because of a suit !!! especially when the suit is an almost copy carbon of the comicbook's one. I like the suit, it is not the one I prefer but it's ok, and seeing that it is red and ble and yellow, it has the boots, the trunk, the emblem, and the cape, everything, allow me not being disturbed by something very close to the comicbook. In the entire Superman comicbook history, the red has changed, the blue has changed, the size of the emblem as well. So it is just another variation of it. It's not how I would have done it, but hey, as long as he is not wearing balck rubber with sunglasses ....

 

[NUFFSAID2004]

excuse me but I don't understand some of you terms, (english is not my first language) :-what does it mean "Teeny-bobber " ? Actually, I'm referring to the actress being waaaayyy too young for the part. I mean, come on, it looks as though she just stepped out of high school. Lois Lane is supposed to be a mature adult reporter and not a little girl. Terrible casting.
other than that :
3)I don't see why there is a problem with the "land scam" . Luthor built an island of kryptonite. A part of Superman homeland is reborn but fatal to him. The only place on earth where Superman can be difeated by a simple human. The most imortant thing is not what Luthor intented to do with it (he's pre-crisis luthor, mad scientist, he doesn't see where this is going to lead him) but what the effects are on Superman.
First of all, why not enter into new/refreshing territory? Luthor and his land schemes are getting old hat. Worst of all was this ludicrous plot device of Lex building upon an alien technology which he obviously doesn't have a complete understanding of and is beyond his control! There are simply so many different plot devises they could have explored in this new movie, but rather chose one that really didn't make much sense.
4) well, I "agree". I dislike the son as well but I'm waiting for the sequel to see what is going to happen. Singer is placing his pawns. You looks like those "superman fans" who hated Smallville since the beginning and now are realizing it worth it. Of course it worth it , but it was necessary to wait for the characters to develop, and then discover an even bigger impact. "Correction". I'm one of those fans who disliked Smallville from the beginning and haven't changed my mind since then. I really don't get how fans can back this show up? I could never get into this show when they're all ashamed of the Superman costume and have promised that he'll never wear it..
5) gone without a reason ? He was heading toward Krypton ! Me, I think it is not a valid reason to "give up" the earth and leave without explanation, above without explanation. But first, it makes it more interesting when he returnes because he has to earn people's trust again, and it make it possible to develop the hero, learn that anything is due. People are always complaining that Supes is perfect and boring : in this movie, he is not perfect at all and has to deal with ALL the consequences of his acts. I find it interesting. (even if, again, I disagree with him). And then, Bryan Singer does see Superman as an alien, an orphan, as Kal El. Again, this is not my point of view at all, but from this point of view, it's understandable Superman wants to see if his homeworld still exists.
Okay, the reason this makes no sense is simply because we already knew "and" Superman already knew that Krypton was "gone"! Why waste five years of your life going to look at nothing but emty space?? And I've never complained that Superman is boring. He's always been a great and interesting character, until Singer got his hands on him.
6) Here again, I'm in "disagreement" with Bryan Singer, because I think Kryptonite should affect Superman immediately (ala Lois& Clark or Smallville) . But B.Singer see it differently : it makes the story about the island possible. If it was Kryptonite like in the comicbooks, the island alone would have irriadated him. He couldn't have come close to it. It's not my point of view but I find it interesting nevertheless. (I want to add that Kryptonite is usually glowing, not here. )We are both in agreement here! Superman should be deceased in this film. Oyy..
7) If the definition of Superman for you is the alpha male ala Sandy Collora, well maybe it's time to evolve a little. A man doesn't have to have a lot of muscles and kick some ass to assume his virility. Or if you were thinking about the "I'm still Superman" line, the first time I was surprised but I realized that he was brave enough to claim his identity while he is certainly going to die. And again, B.Singer showed a vulnerable hero, who keeps doing his job yet. Wow! What a man. So if you think admit his vulnerability is what makes you a woman, well .... yes go for Sandy Collora's film. (which I oved by the way but not for these specific reasons). People claim Superman is boring because he is invincible, here he is not invincible, isn't it bad ? He's crying, does it make him gay? or a woman ?
Would you prefer him to win with a big punch in the face of the giant robot ? ala Judge Dredd ?
Me, this is what I preferred the most in this film : the depiction of a man who assume his vulnerability. <-- IMO.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it! Superman doesn't need to be changed. Some things should be left alone as they are. Especially an icon like The Man Of Steel. Aside from the Donner films, I believe the very best incarnation of Supes was the Bruce Timm and Paul Dini animated series that came out in the late 90s. Their take on the character was perfect, the storylines were fresh and exciting, and we got a much more versatile Lex and a bevy of classic Superman villians! They remained truest to the whole Superman mythos.This show should have been a role model for Singer's film or any other ones that come after it..
8) Me, I prefer to introduce a character with a well known villain before introducing a new one, it allow to develop things about the hero without making an origin story, etc, etc... I'm waiting for the sequel. But you are right, it could have been fun to introduce a new one, even a minor one, or the prequel to it. Yes, but Luthor has been introduced over and over again. Let's see Darkside, Braniac, or Parasite, or Metallo. These are great Superman villians as well! Nobody in the mainsteam new much about Spidey's Doc Ock, but it worked out fine when translated to screen.

I don't understand how it is possible to hate a film that much because of a suit !!! especially when the suit is an almost copy carbon of the comicbook's one. I like the suit, it is not the one I prefer but it's ok, and seeing that it is red and ble and yellow, it has the boots, the trunk, the emblem, and the cape, everything, allow me not being disturbed by something very close to the comicbook. In the entire Superman comicbook history, the red has changed, the blue has changed, the size of the emblem as well. So it is just another variation of it. It's not how I would have done it, but hey, as long as he is not wearing balck rubber with sunglasses ....

"Carbon copy"??? Umm..."no". It is not red, blue and yellow. It's brown, dark blue and yellow. It's dark as in Batman, not "bright" as in Superman. To name a few artists, Curt Swan, Alex Ross, John Byrne, Tim Sale, Bruce Timm.
Their Superman sports a big bold emblem and bright colors. I see Superman as his own credo, "THRUTH, JUSTICE, AND THE AMERICAN WAY"!!
Not a dark peeping tom and knock 'em up and leave 'em hero. I, for one, will not have anything to do with Singer's sequel (*I'm amazed they're letting him make another one*) unless he actually does justice to the "Godfather Of The Superheroes"! (*'nuff said*)

 

[Angeloz]

You like the animated series and disagree with him going back to Krypton? I ask because he also went back in the animated series. Just lucky for him it didn't take six years and he managed to find a survivor. So it went better for him. Does that mean one should go on interstellar trips in the lucky universes that make the character right magically? I guess he was in the wrong universe in "Superman Returns". Just his bad luck.

Angeloz

 

[X Knight]

I don't think Superman's trip to Krypton was the problem, per se.

The problem, for me and others, was that Superman didn't even have the decency to say good-bye to Lois, the so-called love of his life ( and a woman he was having a sexual relationship with ).

It's not like Supes was suddenly abducted or whisked away to Krypton. At the very least, he could have told Lois he was going on an important trip to Krypton to look for survivors, that it might take a long time, and ask her to wait for him.

If Supes had just done that....I think alot of us "complainers" here would be alot more forgiving of Supes.

 

[NUFFSAID2004]

I don't think Superman's trip to Krypton was the problem, per se.

The problem, for me and others, was that Superman didn't even have the decency to say good-bye to Lois, the so-called love of his life ( and a woman he was having a sexual relationship with ).

It's not like Supes was suddenly abducted or whisked away to Krypton. At the very least, he could have told Lois he was going on an important trip to Krypton to look for survivors, that it might take a long time, and ask her to wait for him.

If Supes had just done that....I think alot of us "complainers" here would be alot more forgiving of Supes.

Whenever I think of Superman, one word always comes to mind. And that is "Nobility". (*Batman is more motivated by vengence*) Supes lacked much of this nobility in Singer's version. And no, he isn't a God (*as Singer would like to believe*). He's simply a good and decent man trying to make a difference in a corrupt world. And yes, he did blow Lois off when leaving without even a good-bye card. "SuperCAD"!

 

[Mattchew]

Whenever I think of Superman, one word always comes to mind. And that is "Nobility". (*Batman is more motivated by vengence*) Supes lacked much of this nobility in Singer's version. And no, he isn't a God (*as Singer would like to believe*). He's simply a good and decent man trying to make a difference in a corrupt world. And yes, he did blow Lois off when leaving without even a good-bye card. "SuperCAD"!

could you just post in regular txt? I'm waving my white flag. I recognize your dominance.

 

[NUFFSAID2004]

could you just post in regular txt? I'm waving my white flag. I recognize your dominance.

Ummm...."no". And just to be decent about it, I'll give you the reasons as to why I won't reply to your request...
1) There's no rules saying that we must use the same type as everyone else does.
2) It's still a free country.
3) This might help those who need glasses..
4) I like the color blue!
5) I prefer not to be a follower (*no insult to you per say*), but rather think for myself.
Well, there you go. I hope this helps.
P.S. I prefer waving a flag of red, white and blue myself..

 

[Super Kal]

dude, you can write in blue, but at least type it in normal size font.

 

[Lightning54SC]

ok as much as i dislike Superman Returns... i edited the film in this order which actually came out really good and makes for a better movie.... now if i could only dub out Jor-el it would be perfect

1. credits
2. Martha and ben playing
3. Hubberd leaves/supes returns
4. ship scene/ NEW lex deleted scene
5. kitty whinning deleted scene and then a fog and then shows FOS
5. Jor el
6. deleted wake up scene
7. deleted ship bury and newpaper reading in barn
8. deleted martha clark speech followed to ben and her dating
9. DP
10. Plane scene/jimm deleted scene
11. lois's cab scene followed by imidiate superman flying with jor el speech
12. bank scene
13. love scene
14. all scenes according
15. jason throws piano/locked up after
16. deleted scene lex grabs crystals
17. supes save metroplois
18. deleted scene parry white runs out to greet supes after landing globe
19. all scenes of stab/ throw NK away
20. hospital scene
21. lex stuck/cut to lois typing
22. father son speech
23. ending

i must say i kicked off 18 minutes of the movie added better scenes that make sense = much better movie... its a work in progress but i like it much better

 

[Canadian Rider]

The film was slow, boring and at no time did I think Routh was Superman.

That and the illegitimate child was such a corny part of the story.

 

[CLARKY]

I hope you won't be mad but your big writing is really hurting, so I changed it on my post.

Actually, I'm referring to the actress being waaaayyy too young for the part. I mean, come on, it looks as though she just stepped out of high school. Lois Lane is supposed to be a mature adult reporter and not a little girl. Terrible casting.

Ah ok, yeah I understand. I like her anyway but you are right she seems too young.

First of all, why not enter into new/refreshing territory? Luthor and his land schemes are getting old hat. Worst of all was this ludicrous plot device of Lex building upon an alien technology which he obviously doesn't have a complete understanding of and is beyond his control! There are simply so many different plot devises they could have explored in this new movie, but rather chose one that really didn't make much sense.

I don't understand what you are saying. What is the link between the lack of sense and a "boring" idea ?
Why make it new/refreshing ? It's getting ol doesn't mean it's bad. BTW Luthor did it only 2 times (Superman The Movie and Superman Returns). I don't call this "old", just 2 times. Furthermore. Lex does know a lot of things about cristals, Jor El explained it to him! And the rest , well, as any scientist he has to run some tests. I don't find it "beyond his control" . The effects on Superman were clever : an entire continent where he can't live, where the technology replace the need of a savior and where he is as weak as an human being ; I call this good plot.

"Correction". I'm one of those fans who disliked Smallville from the beginning and haven't changed my mind since then. I really don't get how fans can back this show up? I could never get into this show when they're all ashamed of the Superman costume and have promised that he'll never wear it..

ah good, good. At least, you didn't change your mind. What is the main attraction (for Superman fans I mean) is the rise of the rivality and the hate between Clark and Lex. And if you pick one episode now and then, sure, it is more than certain that you won't like it. But for those who have been watching the whole six seasons, each word, each actions, each face to face between Lex and Clark are full of sense and prefigure perfectly what they will be in their future.

Okay, the reason this makes no sense is simply because we already knew "and" Superman already knew that Krypton was "gone"! Why waste five years of your life going to look at nothing but emty space??
BECAUSE scientists DID say it was not gone. There was a chance! Singer see Superman as Kal El, so it worth spending five years if you think you can find parts of your homeworld and maybe your family. You love the cartoon, don't you? It seems to me Kal El returns to Krypton as well. What is the difference ? If I remember correctly, he did right because he found the ship with survivors (Kara!) . So IMO, it worth going back to see.

And I've never complained that Superman is boring. He's always been a great and interesting character, until Singer got his hands on him.

I was not aiming you personnally, I was trying to tell you a lot of people find hm boring. I agree he is interesting but Singer's is interesting too. Because you don't like it doesn't mean it is not interesting. Again, Singer's vision is not mine, but I find it interesting nevertheless, I see where it will lead the character.

We are both in agreement here! Superman should be deceased in this film. Oyy..

Yes. But me, I'm waiting to see the sequel.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it! Superman doesn't need to be changed. Some things should be left alone as they are. Especially an icon like The Man Of Steel.

Well you are part of those who want something original ...
He isn't changed, this is a different take on the character.

Aside from the Donner films, I believe the very best incarnation of Supes was the Bruce Timm and Paul Dini animated series that came out in the late 90s. Their take on the character was perfect, the storylines were fresh and exciting, and we got a much more versatile Lex and a bevy of classic Superman villians! They remained truest to the whole Superman mythos.This show should have been a role model for Singer's film or any other ones that come after it..

Yes, I agree with you, I'm a fan of the cartoon as well and I think it is the best interpretation. But the goal is different : Timm & co were planning to do a "definition" of the mythos, not their take, not their taste, just minor changes. Bryan Singer, just like R.Donner gave their taste on the subject. Hate it or love it, but it is another matter than saying it is a bad movie.

Yes, but Luthor has been introduced over and over again. Let's see Darkside, Braniac, or Parasite, or Metallo. These are great Superman villians as well! Nobody in the mainsteam new much about Spidey's Doc Ock, but it worked out fine when translated to screen.

Again, I agree with you but I think that in order to re-introduce the character, using Lex Luthor is a good idea. Then, let's see what they do ... and with who! You want Darkseid, yet almost everybody claim that one film won't be enough, so ... Yet, I agree with you about parasite and Brainiac!

"Carbon copy"??? Umm..."no". It is not red, blue and yellow. It's brown, dark blue and yellow. It's dark as in Batman, not "bright" as in Superman. To name a few artists, Curt Swan, Alex Ross, John Byrne, Tim Sale, Bruce Timm.

Well if I remember correcly Byrne is bright blue when Timm's is royal/dark blue, yet it doesn't seem to disturb you. The colors have changed throughout history. Don't tell me I'm the only one on Earth who possesses Superman comicbooks with different blue and red. Another thing : This last decade, Superman has been portrayed with a black trunk with a slight red line, meaning it's very very dark. It's the case in the first cartoon, and with Ed McGuiness Superman ; Ed McG. even does a dark logo on Superman chest. Please, this last decade, Superman suit was more sober, more dark than it was during the Byrne's run. Let's pretend Singer and Co took from taht period.
Having cheesy colors would be out of place. Nevertheless I'm glad they keep the suit as it is in the comics.

Their Superman sports a big bold emblem and bright colors. I see Superman as his own credo, "THRUTH, JUSTICE, AND THE AMERICAN WAY"!!

i remember very clearly Gil Kane's Superman with a not so big emblem on the chest in a special new luthor/new brainiac, anniversary book.
Between the donner films logo and Timm's logo, there are differences and not only about the design , but about the size too.
It's now that I realize that the Dean Cain's suit (I'm always flamed because I admit liking it) was not so bad for everyone after all.

Not a dark peeping tom and knock 'em up and leave 'em hero. I, for one, will not have anything to do with Singer's sequel (*I'm amazed they're letting him make another one*) unless he actually does justice to the "Godfather Of The Superheroes"!(*'nuff said*)

Well, at least you are logical, I give you that. You don't like it, you don't see it. I do the same.

 

[Mattchew]

Ummm...."no". And just to be decent about it, I'll give you the reasons as to why I won't reply to your request...
1) There's no rules saying that we must use the same type as everyone else does.
2) It's still a free country.
3) This might help those who need glasses..
4) I like the color blue!
5) I prefer not to be a follower (*no insult to you per say*), but rather think for myself.
Well, there you go. I hope this helps.
P.S. I prefer waving a flag of red, white and blue myself..

man... you should put some of the witty yet biting comments on pillows and sell them to housewives. WINK!

ps: interesting that your definition of thinking for yourself is using a blue plus-sized font.

i guess IM A LEMMING!.. nuff said!

 

[NUFFSAID2004]

man... you should put some of the witty yet biting comments on pillows and sell them to housewives. WINK!
So are you trying to tell me that you're a housewife? Hmm. Either way, thank-you for the compliment. However, please refrain from winking at me. It's embarrasing...
P.S. I do like your short quote from "Ed Wood".

 

[NUFFSAID2004]

I hope you won't be mad but your big writing is really hurting, so I changed it on my post.

Ah ok, yeah I understand. I like her anyway but you are right she seems too young.

I don't understand what you are saying. What is the link between the lack of sense and a "boring" idea ?
Why make it new/refreshing ? It's getting ol doesn't mean it's bad. BTW Luthor did it only 2 times (Superman The Movie and Superman Returns). I don't call this "old", just 2 times. Furthermore. Lex does know a lot of things about cristals, Jor El explained it to him! And the rest , well, as any scientist he has to run some tests. I don't find it "beyond his control" . The effects on Superman were clever : an entire continent where he can't live, where the technology replace the need of a savior and where he is as weak as an human being ; I call this good plot. ah good, good. At least, you didn't change your mind. What is the main attraction (for Superman fans I mean) is the rise of the rivality and the hate between Clark and Lex. And if you pick one episode now and then, sure, it is more than certain that you won't like it. But for those who have been watching the whole six seasons, each word, each actions, each face to face between Lex and Clark are full of sense and prefigure perfectly what they will be in their future.

Okay, the reason this makes no sense is simply because we already knew "and" Superman already knew that Krypton was "gone"! Why waste five years of your life going to look at nothing but emty space??
BECAUSE scientists DID say it was not gone. There was a chance! Singer see Superman as Kal El, so it worth spending five years if you think you can find parts of your homeworld and maybe your family. You love the cartoon, don't you? It seems to me Kal El returns to Krypton as well. What is the difference ? If I remember correctly, he did right because he found the ship with survivors (Kara!) . So IMO, it worth going back to see. I was not aiming you personnally, I was trying to tell you a lot of people find hm boring. I agree he is interesting but Singer's is interesting too. Because you don't like it doesn't mean it is not interesting. Again, Singer's vision is not mine, but I find it interesting nevertheless, I see where it will lead the character.

Yes. But me, I'm waiting to see the sequel.
Well you are part of those who want something original ...
He isn't changed, this is a different take on the character.
Yes, I agree with you, I'm a fan of the cartoon as well and I think it is the best interpretation. But the goal is different : Timm & co were planning to do a "definition" of the mythos, not their take, not their taste, just minor changes. Bryan Singer, just like R.Donner gave their taste on the subject. Hate it or love it, but it is another matter than saying it is a bad movie.
Again, I agree with you but I think that in order to re-introduce the character, using Lex Luthor is a good idea. Then, let's see what they do ... and with who! You want Darkseid, yet almost everybody claim that one film won't be enough, so ... Yet, I agree with you about parasite and Brainiac!Well if I remember correcly Byrne is bright blue when Timm's is royal/dark blue, yet it doesn't seem to disturb you. The colors have changed throughout history. Don't tell me I'm the only one on Earth who possesses Superman comicbooks with different blue and red. Another thing : This last decade, Superman has been portrayed with a black trunk with a slight red line, meaning it's very very dark. It's the case in the first cartoon, and with Ed McGuiness Superman ; Ed McG. even does a dark logo on Superman chest. Please, this last decade, Superman suit was more sober, more dark than it was during the Byrne's run. Let's pretend Singer and Co took from taht period.
Having cheesy colors would be out of place. Nevertheless I'm glad they keep the suit as it is in the comics.

Their Superman sports a big bold emblem and bright colors. I see Superman as his own credo, "THRUTH, JUSTICE, AND THE AMERICAN WAY"!!

i remember very clearly Gil Kane's Superman with a not so big emblem on the chest in a special new luthor/new brainiac, anniversary book.
Between the donner films logo and Timm's logo, there are differences and not only about the design , but about the size too.
It's now that I realize that the Dean Cain's suit (I'm always flamed because I admit liking it) was not so bad for everyone after all.

Well, at least you are logical, I give you that. You don't like it, you don't see it. I do the same.

We might not fully agree on alot of points, but I do respect your opinions. I've already given all of mine. So to continue at this point would be pretty much mute. However, one last thing. If you watch "Superman The Movie" you'll find Brando telling Supes that Krypton was "destroyed" and he is the "last" survivor. Check out the movie one more time. Take care..

 

[Super Kal]

I just want something more colorful the next time around. My faith in Superman is less than a flicker now, and if they can't get the look of Superman right in the next movie, I will have lost all hope for this character and its entire franchise.

 

[Mattchew]

man... you should put some of the witty yet biting comments on pillows and sell them to housewives. WINK!
So are you trying to tell me that you're a housewife? Hmm. Either way, thank-you for the compliment. However, please refrain from winking at me. It's embarrasing...
P.S. I do like your short quote from "Ed Wood".

yes... im a housewife. sell me pillows. now.

ps: i love that movie, and they've used clips of it to make prank calls on the Howard Stern Show with HILARIOUS results... not sure how you'd track down a clip of that, but its pretty damn funny none the less.

 

[SupermanIsRouth]

What exactly is "the right look" for Superman? I think its hard to pinpoint one definitive Superman. There have been so many different versions throughout the years. I'd be willing to bet that you think the definitive Superman is Chris Reeve (no disrespect to him). I know that I wouldnt want the bright clown suit that he wore ( again I mean him no disrespect) but it just wouldnt fit by todays standards. IMO.

 

[NUFFSAID2004]

yes... im a housewife. sell me pillows. now.

ps: i love that movie, and they've used clips of it to make prank calls on the Howard Stern Show with HILARIOUS results... not sure how you'd track down a clip of that, but its pretty damn funny none the less.

Ha! You're alright, my friend. If there is one thing we both agree on, it's "Ed Wood". I think is the most underrated Johnny Depp film of all time!! I never tire of this classic.

 

[Super Kal]

What exactly is "the right look" for Superman? I think its hard to pinpoint one definitive Superman. There have been so many different versions throughout the years. I'd be willing to bet that you think the definitive Superman is Chris Reeve (no disrespect to him). I know that I wouldnt want the bright clown suit that he wore ( again I mean him no disrespect) but it just wouldnt fit by todays standards. IMO.

good point, but you also dont want him to be so dark, that everything washes out when you see him in the day or the night

 

[CLARKY]

We might not fully agree on alot of points, but I do respect your opinions. I've already given all of mine. So to continue at this point would be pretty much mute. However, one last thing. If you watch "Superman The Movie" you'll find Brando telling Supes that Krypton was "destroyed" and he is the "last" survivor. Check out the movie one more time. Take care..

What i tried to expose were not my opinions dude. And it would be mute if you don't understand ; you made a list of non sense about the movie. I told you for almost each points that there were an explication. (non considering MY opinion). Now thinking that the movie sucks because you don't like it is stupid. Now if you don't like the movie because you think differently, it's completely different. I think different than B.Singer and I disagree with him, yet I think the movie is good.
And I've watched S.TM again, thank you and yes, Jor El said that Krypton was destroyed. You were right. Now if you watch Superman Returns, it is written that scientists discovered something they think is Krypton. Considering that B.Singer consider Superman as Kal El, an alien, an immigrant, it's logical for him to leave and see if it is true. (again, I disagree with the fact that he left without saying goodbye, but the result is that when he came back he had to work to regain people and lois' trust).
And for the carbon-copy suit, yes I think it is faithful to the comics. When I see all those variations that exist throughout the net, I feel lucky we had a red/blue/yellow/caped/trunked version of the suit. Again, it is not how I see it, but it is faithful.

 

[mego joe]

What exactly is "the right look" for Superman? I think its hard to pinpoint one definitive Superman. There have been so many different versions throughout the years. I'd be willing to bet that you think the definitive Superman is Chris Reeve (no disrespect to him). I know that I wouldnt want the bright clown suit that he wore ( again I mean him no disrespect) but it just wouldnt fit by todays standards. IMO.

Definitive Superman= Curt Swan. That's pretty much a given. That costume has essentially been unaltered for the past 50 years or so. Even current comics for the most part are drawing the Swan version of the suit. I'll bet 99% of the people who when asked to think of Superman get a Curt Swan image in their head. Even the Reeve suit is based directly on Curt Swan's version.

 

[Angeloz]

Didn't he draw him not like a major bodybuilder. Totally shocking a guy not wanting him to be a bodybuilder type.

Angeloz

 

[mego joe]

Didn't he draw him not like a major bodybuilder. Totally shocking a guy not wanting him to be a bodybuilder type.

Angeloz

Here he is. Not major bodybuilder, but still a big guy with big muscles and an emphasis on the chest.

 

[nosebleed.]

I was really hoping that the sequel would go to someone other than Singer. His homage to Donner really aged the film. Routh did a decent job IMO...its just that Singer and his writers gave him such little material to work with. I feel that he can shine if they let him loose a little and let him find his own way to be Superman instead of them micromanaging his acting to a CR carbon copy. The movie had many flaws and a few good scenes...but it just didn't feel fresh. It felt old, boring and emotionless. And those are things that Superman is most definitely not!