Superman Returns Why Don't Some Superman Fans Like Superman Returns?

[StylishHokie21]

Oh, and Iron Man is making SR look so damn pathetic. What you see in the previews are what should have been in SR. And brought in on a budget of anywhere from 135 mill to 186 mill


http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/movies/la-et-word17apr17,1,7411629.story

With the budget over run on Valkerie, I hope they don't let Singer near the sequel.

I agree. It really is quite sad to be honest.

 

[StylishHokie21]

Oh, and Iron Man is making SR look so damn pathetic. What you see in the previews are what should have been in SR. And brought in on a budget of anywhere from 135 mill to 186 mill


http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/movies/la-et-word17apr17,1,7411629.story

With the budget over run on Valkerie, I hope they don't let Singer near the sequel.

Double post.

 

[El Payaso]

The bold part was referring to people who liked the movie. You're in a thread about fans who DON'T like the movie. I'm just wondering why anyone would come in here if they liked the movie. Not judging you...just wondering.

I'll answer that. Again.

Firstly, to start it. The person who started the thread liked the movie.

Second, to talk aboput the reasons why somne fans didn't like the movie? The starter wanted to talk aboput those reasons, not to make a collection or list of those reasons only.

Some of you are mistaking this for a hate thread and it's not. Nevertheless, El Payaso wants people who disliked the movie to post as much as they want as long as they're not flaming, trolling or derailing posts since I don't feel uncomfortable or threatened by messages that disagree with me.

 

[LexCorp]

I'll answer that. Again.

Firstly, to start it. The person who started the thread liked the movie.

Second, to talk aboput the reasons why somne fans didn't like the movie? The starter wanted to talk aboput those reasons, not to make a collection or list of those reasons only.

Some of you are mistaking this for a hate thread and it's not. Nevertheless, El Payaso wants people who disliked the movie to post as much as they want as long as they're not flaming, trolling or derailing posts since I don't feel uncomfortable or threatened by messages that disagree with me.

And I agree with that buddy you always seem nice when I post

Even though I do not love the film.

 

[El Payaso]

And I agree with that buddy you always seem nice when I post

Even though I do not love the film.

 

[LexCorp]

So I was just thinking about Supermans fortress.

Why were their no security measures in place when Lex found it?

 

[El Payaso]

So I was just thinking about Supermans fortress.

Why were their no security measures in place when Lex found it?

This goes back to Superman II, when Lex got into the fortress for the first time. For what we see on SR, Superman thought Luthor was no problem anymore so after the events on SII he didn't thought the only person who knew where the FoS was would ever come back to it.

As for the issue itself all I have to say is... Jor-El never thought of it.

I guess Clark never thought anyone who's human could be able to find it.

Nevertheless, there's a deleted scene of Superman II that shows that Superman had some security systems. At least for "flying people." I assume he installed that after Lex was in there even when nothing in Superman II indicates Superman knew Luthor had been in the FoS.

Here's the link to that scene (it's amongst some other deleted scenes, at minute 3 aprox):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGtZG8okK88

But well, the scene was never shown (not even on the Donner's Cut).

 

[LexCorp]

This goes back to Superman II, when Lex got into the fortress for the first time. For what we see on SR, Superman thought Luthor was no problem anymore so after the events on SII he didn't thought the only person who knew where the FoS was would ever come back to it.

As for the issue itself all I have to say is... Jor-El never thought of it.

I guess Clark never thought anyone who's human could be able to find it.

Nevertheless, there's a deleted scene of Superman II that shows that Superman had some security systems. At least for "flying people." I assume he installed that after Lex was in there even when nothing in Superman II indicates Superman knew Luthor had been in the FoS.

Here's the link to that scene (it's amongst some other deleted scenes, at minute 3 aprox):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGtZG8okK88

But well, the scene was never shown (not even on the Donner's Cut).

I guess but I think it was a bit to easy to get access to that info from the crystals.

 

[El Payaso]

I guess but I think it was a bit to easy to get access to that info from the crystals.

Problem is that no director, starting with Donner, ever thought that security for FoS was necessary and that Jor-El's image should be talking Kryptonian.

 

[LexCorp]

Problem is that no director, starting with Donner, ever thought that security for FoS was necessary and that Jor-El's image should be talking Kryptonian.

I always assume the worst really

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

ACtually the official budget is 209 after 30 mill in Ausie tax rebates, as reported by the official guy who oversees acounting for the WB back in the sumemr of 2006. There was a link in the old box office thread. he explain exactly how much it cost before and after the tax breaks.

and they still got 30 mill in tax breaks so the film,e en if 204 mill cost 234 to make an not 185 as was buddgeted so he did go over. REally your passion on defending singger is getting old.

And your constant bashing of the movie isnt? Get off you high horse Buggs, you are just as, if not worse for bashing the movie, yet do i jump on you for it? No

The bold part was referring to people who liked the movie. You're in a thread about fans who DON'T like the movie. I'm just wondering why anyone would come in here if they liked the movie. Not judging you...just wondering.

Not to be funny, but i have never seen this thread as a thread solely for people who didnt like the movie, the person who opened the thread LIKED SR, so IMO it isnt a thread just for haters, and i posted in this thread before many of the haters did, i was one of the first posters in here.

I took exception to X-M's comments, because i often see him criticising me and others for doing the same thing when, i personally, dont. So i thought it was a bit hypocritical of him, especially as he still does so now. If he comes in, post he doesnt like and why, no problem, but i hate it when people try to come up with excuses as to why others opinions arent the same theirs.

I didn't mean to jump on you. It just seemed from your post that you implied that. I apologize and I'm finished arguing. Once again...I have to ask...what did you expect from this thread? X-Maniac doesn't like the movie, so he's voicing his opinion just like everyone else is in here. He didn't like the movie just like a lot of people in here didn't. If you really read your post, it was sort of implying that the negative opinions don't matter just because the movie got critical praise. I was clearly wrong, so once again I apologize. Now that that's finished....is there anything you didn't like about this movie?

I didnt mean to imply that negative opinion on the movie dont matter so sorry if it came accross that way, i apologise for my comments to you also.

There were stuff i didnt like about the movie yes, for one, the RTK scene should have stayed just to explain the story a little more. The movie could also have done with one more major action sequence to please the crowds (although i found what we got was more emotional and powerful), the 'vague history thing could have been explained a bit better as well. What not many people seem to realise is, the only part of Superman II in continuity with SR is Lex visiting the fortress, Singer said in a interview the rest of the movie doesnt really apply, especially the love scene in the fortress.

For me personally, i would also have liked the movie to be a bit more sci-fi than it was, the RTK scene would have helped with this. I would have liked more Martha also, but at the same realise they couldnt have released a 3 hour movie.

 

[Showtime]

I will not be closing this thread but I will be watching it. There will never be seperate threads for lovers and haters on any part of the Superman Forums again. I will just hand out infractions or bannings for any of the below violations, anything additional outside those violations listed below included in The Hype rules, or anything else that I deem infraction or ban worthy.

*flaming, gender slurs, language, insubordination, spamming, trolling, flaming, and religious intolerance.

 

[CLARKY]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGtZG8okK88

Well, I've never seen these scenes before ! I have just my good old video tape of the movie.
So according to this there IS a line of defense in the fortress.

IMO, when I first saw the movie I thought that the fortress of solitude was "invisible to the clouded minds" if you allow me the expression. Like a lost pirates island : you can go there only if you have already gone there. So I theorized that Luthor was clever enough/ bright enough to find it, and then naturally he is the only one who can find it again.
from my point of view it's strange to see policemen at the fortress at the end of the clip you posted !

 

[StylishHokie21]

I'll answer that. Again.

Firstly, to start it. The person who started the thread liked the movie.

Second, to talk aboput the reasons why somne fans didn't like the movie? The starter wanted to talk aboput those reasons, not to make a collection or list of those reasons only.

Some of you are mistaking this for a hate thread and it's not. Nevertheless, El Payaso wants people who disliked the movie to post as much as they want as long as they're not flaming, trolling or derailing posts since I don't feel uncomfortable or threatened by messages that disagree with me.

My mistake. Thanks for enlightening me.

 

[StylishHokie21]

Not to be funny, but i have never seen this thread as a thread solely for people who didnt like the movie, the person who opened the thread LIKED SR, so IMO it isnt a thread just for haters, and i posted in this thread before many of the haters did, i was one of the first posters in here.

I took exception to X-M's comments, because i often see him criticising me and others for doing the same thing when, i personally, dont. So i thought it was a bit hypocritical of him, especially as he still does so now. If he comes in, post he doesnt like and why, no problem, but i hate it when people try to come up with excuses as to why others opinions arent the same theirs.

I see what you're saying now. I apologize once again.

I didnt mean to imply that negative opinion on the movie dont matter so sorry if it came accross that way, i apologise for my comments to you also.

There were stuff i didnt like about the movie yes, for one, the RTK scene should have stayed just to explain the story a little more. The movie could also have done with one more major action sequence to please the crowds (although i found what we got was more emotional and powerful), the 'vague history thing could have been explained a bit better as well. What not many people seem to realise is, the only part of Superman II in continuity with SR is Lex visiting the fortress, Singer said in a interview the rest of the movie doesnt really apply, especially the love scene in the fortress.

For me personally, i would also have liked the movie to be a bit more sci-fi than it was, the RTK scene would have helped with this. I would have liked more Martha also, but at the same realise they couldnt have released a 3 hour movie.

It's fine. No harm done. My questioning was uncalled for and you were just defending yourself. I agree with you. I like Superman and Superman 2, but SR just didn't do anything for me really. There could have been a little bit more action. I'm not saying it needed to be an action fest, but when people see the word Superman, they expect something big. You know what I mean? It was a decent effort I thought, but I think it could be even better. Hopefully the sequel will change some people's minds.

 

[El Payaso]

^^^ More action on SR is a complaint that I can accept with a smile. It wouldn't have harmed the movie. Now, to be honest the first time I noticed that the movie didn't ahve too much action was when I read that on the net. Then I watched again and found that, yes, it could have had more action without losing its essence or being dumbed down.

 

[stargazer]

Check the title of this thread. This thread is specifically for complaining bout SR.

No. It's really a thread that is clearly open for discussion. Check the post below.

Can someone explain to me why Superman fans seem not to like Superman Returns?

Personally, I think it's a great film, and one of the best superhero movies of all time, probably only behind Batman Begins and Spider-Man 2.

What don't they like? The fact that it's a rehash/homage to Donner? Who cares? It's the start of the franchise, what better way to start out?

Not enough action? Call me crazy, but I think the airplane sequence is one of the coolest things I've ever seen a movie.

The suit? I mean, c'mon, it looks fine. Compare it to what Batman and the X-Men wear relative to the comics.

So what is it? To me, other than Lois Lane (Bosworth sucks) the casting is great, the production values and effects are MAGNIFICENT and the story is a classic Superman story. What do people hate? That he has a kid?

Sorry, I'm not the hugest Superman fan in the world, but I loved this movie and it seemed like a fantastic adaptation to me. What don't people like about it?

I agree.

No.

Check the first post and intention of the thread. It is not about complaining but to understand from a civil debate why people who dislikes the movie didn't like it.

The opener of the thread likes the movie and his intention was a frank desire of a true understanding so stop your bashing yearning.

Because they're called discussion boards?



Count the number of detractors doing the same in every thread.

Nobody in here can place himself into the victim position.



And I would never stop someone from posting his disliking for the movie.



As I am of hearing why I should dislike it too.



Well, opinions are opinions. You cannot think that the only way to stay in a discussion forum is if everybody agrees with you or the right number of members does.

I've seen members saying they liked the movie but they're gone because of the bashing.

As the mods say, nobody's forced to stay or read. But as long as people are not being insulting, flaming or trolling, their opinions are valid to be expressed.

Well said, payasito, as usual.

 

[stargazer]

I see what you're saying now. I apologize once again.


It's fine. No harm done. My questioning was uncalled for and you were just defending yourself. I agree with you. I like Superman and Superman 2, but SR just didn't do anything for me really. There could have been a little bit more action. I'm not saying it needed to be an action fest, but when people see the word Superman, they expect something big. You know what I mean? It was a decent effort I thought, but I think it could be even better. Hopefully the sequel will change some people's minds.

I see, but explain something to me, you say that SR could have used more action, fine, but then you say that you liked STM and S2..they clealy have no more action than SR, and IMO, the plane rescue is leagues more action-packed than anything in the Reeve movies. Explain that to me.

^^^ More action on SR is a complaint that I can accept with a smile. It wouldn't have harmed the movie. Now, to be honest the first time I noticed that the movie didn't ahve too much action was when I read that on the net. Then I watched again and found that, yes, it could have had more action without losing its essence or being dumbed down.

Maybe a little more, or maybe the film could have been a little bit tighter and a little bit faster paced? Not that it bothered me, because it didn't, believe me, but for some extreme action lovers or people who expected SR to be another popcorn action flick, it could be a ploblem, no?

 

[LexCorp]

Well, I've never seen these scenes before ! I have just my good old video tape of the movie.
So according to this there IS a line of defense in the fortress.

IMO, when I first saw the movie I thought that the fortress of solitude was "invisible to the clouded minds" if you allow me the expression. Like a lost pirates island : you can go there only if you have already gone there. So I theorized that Luthor was clever enough/ bright enough to find it, and then naturally he is the only one who can find it again.
from my point of view it's strange to see policemen at the fortress at the end of the clip you posted !

I mean all we learn from the movies is that the fortress does have some defense but it only appears to be active against certain elements at certain times.

I can live with the idea that if Superman is out of range maybe the security systems power down or maybe he just did not set the alarm we he left. lol

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I see what you're saying now. I apologize once again.

It's fine. No harm done. My questioning was uncalled for and you were just defending yourself. I agree with you. I like Superman and Superman 2, but SR just didn't do anything for me really. There could have been a little bit more action. I'm not saying it needed to be an action fest, but when people see the word Superman, they expect something big. You know what I mean? It was a decent effort I thought, but I think it could be even better. Hopefully the sequel will change some people's minds.

Apologies from me again also, glad we sorted all of this out.

As regards to SR, i think one more major action sequence would have done it, for me personally, i am happy with what we got in the movie, i found the 3rd act especially very compelling and powerful, which is rare in CB movies these days. But, for commercial purposes, i think one more action sequence in there would have helped the movie gain a bit more money at the BO and would have helped it compete against POTC 2 a bit more (though how that movie made so much money, i'll never know).

I mean all we learn from the movies is that the fortress does have some defense but it only appears to be active against certain elements at certain times.

I can live with the idea that if Superman is out of range maybe the security systems power down or maybe he just did not set the alarm we he left. lol

Well Lex was in jail, doing a double life sentence, and Martha's reaction to Clark's absence suggests that Kal-El didnt expect to be away for 5 years also.

 

[StylishHokie21]

I see, but explain something to me, you say that SR could have used more action, fine, but then you say that you liked STM and S2..they clealy have no more action than SR, and IMO, the plane rescue is leagues more action-packed than anything in the Reeve movies. Explain that to me.

It really wasn't just the action that had me hooked. Christopher Reeves was just fantastic in the role. Those movies had moments where you actually cared for the characters. It had heart. S2 had the fight against THREE super villains. That to me was so much better than any action scene in SR, IMO.

In SR, it was the opposite for me. The plane rescue was nice to look at, but that's about it. Cool effects don't make a great movie. It was bad enough that WB pretty much gave away the whole scene from the TV spots.

 

[Nightwing1977]

It was bad enough that WB pretty much gave away the whole scene from the TV spots.

I agree. I wish I first see it in theater instead of tv. Same for the "bullet to the eye". Sometime less is more.

 

[buggs0268]

And your constant bashing of the movie isnt? Get off you high horse Buggs, you are just as, if not worse for bashing the movie, yet do i jump on you for it? No

Even if SR's budget was only 204 mill (after 30 mill in tax breaks, that is still 19 million (after tax breaks) above what it was budgeted for, so it did go over budget, even at that 204 budget. It actually would have gone 49 million over the original budget before tax breaks. So you can never claim it didn't go over budget. That is just wrong and will never be right.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Even if SR's budget was only 204 mill (after 30 mill in tax breaks, that is still 19 million (after tax breaks) above what it was budgeted for, so it did go over budget, even at that 204 budget. It actually would have gone 49 million over the original budget before tax breaks. So you can never claim it didn't go over budget. That is just wrong and will never be right.

So what, plenty of movies go over budget, Iron Man, which you praise so much despite the fact you havent seen it, had an original budget of $120, yet ended up costing at least $15 million more, that means SHOCK, HORROR, it went over budget! OH MY GOD STOP THE WORLD.

 

[StylishHokie21]

Apologies from me again also, glad we sorted all of this out.

As regards to SR, i think one more major action sequence would have done it, for me personally, i am happy with what we got in the movie, i found the 3rd act especially very compelling and powerful, which is rare in CB movies these days. But, for commercial purposes, i think one more action sequence in there would have helped the movie gain a bit more money at the BO and would have helped it compete against POTC 2 a bit more (though how that movie made so much money, i'll never know).

I agree with you. They practically showed almost every action sequence in the trailers and TV spots. They just didn't market the movie right, IMO. I think that's why some people were turned off by it.

The third act just didn't do much for me. At that point, I really didn't care what happened. After he threw the island in space, I think it should have ended there. Instead it dragged on for 20 more minutes with Superman in the hospital. In the hospital! I just can't figure out what Singer was thinking here. I'm sure most will disagree with me.