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Okay, my apologies to everyone in advance if a separate thread wasn't needed to discuss this subject, but I had to ask... why is SHIELD even being rebuilt within the MCU?

I mean, after learning that the previous SHIELD was compromised by Hydra and how Tony Stark is in the process of privatizing world peace, along with positioning the Avengers where they can pick up the void that SHIELD left upon its dismantle, why is Coulson going through all the trouble of rebuilding SHIELD?

As Maria Hill said, Stark would take Coulson under his wing within a heartbeat? I mean, wouldn't it have made more sense for Coulson and any leftover Loyal SHIELD remnant to join Stark and the Avengers group rather than try to rebuild SHIELD from scratch?
 
Because an organization like SHIELD can do what the Avengers cannot. Be more convert and due the stealth missions. Also, the Avengers cannot be everywhere all the time. And finally, Tony can be a bit, mentally unstable, and his "privatizing world piece" apparently involves accidently creating a genocidal robot, oops.
 
He was pretty insistent on being a part of the "Shield" that protects people in the latter half of Season 1. Plus, Fury did entrust him, the only man he trusts, with the task of bringing SHIELD back.
 
SHIELD is needed to protect from threats that govenment organization cannot handle.......not everyone in SHIELD is HYDRA so Coulson want to show the world there are still some good people that trying to stop the threats that remains
 
Good points from everyone, though in the case of Ultron...he hasn't been created yet, so I don't think that can be used against Stark.

Plus, if good Old Captain America is involved with the Avengers, let alone viewed as the group's leader, then you'd think Coulson would be okay with that.

And finally, I get the whole "need to be stealthy" part, but it's not like Coulson couldn't do that if he joined with Rogers and company at Avengers tower.

Anyone here seen "Young Justice"? Coulson and his group could be to the Avengers what the younger league members were to the JL.
 
We also don't know when the Avengers get together, they might not yet be formed in the timeline.
 
We also don't know when the Avengers get together, they might not yet be formed in the timeline.

Not sure what you mean? We know the timeline, we saw the effects of Thor DW and Cap TWS in the show.
 
Obviously, to keep this show going and second, to continue what they are already doing as Shield agents.
 
The way I see it there are two reasons;

1) The principle. Fury helped build SHIELD, only to see it burnt to the ground. Coulson is the epitome of SHIELD, loyal to a fault. HYDRA have burnt their home, their world. The solution is to fight back

2) The Avengers are the public face of world security, SHIELD has the chance to be the hidden side it was shown to be in things like Thor. Return to its roots and take out threats before they ever happen (kinda like the Men In Black I guess)
 
Not sure what you mean? We know the timeline, we saw the effects of Thor DW and Cap TWS in the show.

As in Herolee said why have SHIELD when the Avengers are known to be together, but what i'm saying is we don't know when the Avengers reform before AoU.

Perhaps they reform like a month or two before AoU in which case after the events of AoS season 2. (Presuming AoS and AoU follow the rest of phase 2 bar IM3 and are set when they are released)

Yes Hill said Stark was privatizing world peace, but we don't know that means setting up the Avengers yet.
 
Well this time around they won't make the same mistakes Howard and Peggy did and get help from KNOWN ex Hydra.
Seems to ME that Hydra's infiltration began with Arnim being used in SHIELD
 
We don't know that recruiting Arnim Zola was Howard or Peggy's call. It could very well have been some inept/clueless bureaucrat who made that call.
 
lol yeah you never know it may have been Dugan lol
 
The way I see it there are two reasons;

1) The principle. Fury helped build SHIELD, only to see it burnt to the ground. Coulson is the epitome of SHIELD, loyal to a fault. HYDRA have burnt their home, their world. The solution is to fight back

2) The Avengers are the public face of world security, SHIELD has the chance to be the hidden side it was shown to be in things like Thor. Return to its roots and take out threats before they ever happen (kinda like the Men In Black I guess)

I like this answer, it's a good way to look at this.
 
I mean, after learning that the previous SHIELD was compromised by Hydra and how Tony Stark is in the process of privatizing world peace, along with positioning the Avengers where they can pick up the void that SHIELD left upon its dismantle, why is Coulson going through all the trouble of rebuilding SHIELD?
1) They rebuilt him, so he's returning the favor.
2) SHIELD did more than fight alien invasions. SHIELD was involved in tens of thousands of separate cases of intelligence collecting/research/collating/distributing to proper authorities, providing security for hundreds of people on a daily basis, etc......The AVENGERS don't have time or resources for this.
3) It has already been shown that there will people objecting to Stark privatizing world peace, so there should be a backup group to work on it also. After all, the UN, INTERPOL, the NATO Alliance, etc, didn't shut down when SHIELD first established a global presence.


As Maria Hill said, Stark would take Coulson under his wing within a heartbeat? I mean, wouldn't it have made more sense for Coulson and any leftover Loyal SHIELD remnant to join Stark and the Avengers group rather than try to rebuild SHIELD from scratch?
1) I always got the idea that Coulson was annoyed with Stark...don't think he would work well with him.
2) Coulson is a loyal kind of guy. He also has a code of honor and ethics. So to him, healing SHIELD and proving to the world that people who carry it's ID badges are to be trusted and respected is important to him.
 
Still wondering if and when Coulson will reveal he's alive to the Avengers
 
I think there is a simpler reason, actually: Phillip Coulson is a hero. A super hero, in his own way.

Why does Captain America bother to be a super hero, when there's Iron Man? Why does Hawkeye bother to be a super hero, when there's Thor? The answer is "Because they are heroes, and there is work to be done." Same for Coulson. Its just that his way doing heroism doesn't involve public leadership or powered armor, it involves secrecy and organization and cunning. Coulson's "superpower" is "the ability to build and run a covert operations organization."
 
I think there is a simpler reason, actually: Phillip Coulson is a hero. A super hero, in his own way.

Why does Captain America bother to be a super hero, when there's Iron Man? Why does Hawkeye bother to be a super hero, when there's Thor? The answer is "Because they are heroes, and there is work to be done." Same for Coulson. Its just that his way doing heroism doesn't involve public leadership or powered armor, it involves secrecy and organization and cunning. Coulson's "superpower" is "the ability to build and run a covert operations organization."

This answer, the emotional one, actually resonates. A lot of finagling to try and make the uselessness of SHIELD sound logical rings hollow, especially since the real reason is so the show can continue. SHIELD is being rebuilt because Coulson believes in it. There is not need for SHIELD, neither is SHIELD the most efficient method for accomplishing any other goal but having SHIELD around. Of course, in the narrative, it will turn out that SHIELD is needed to do the things that Avengers cannot, or something like that. Because it's its own show.

But I do think the fact that the existence of the show runs contrary to the implications of CATWS and the command of Captain America put it in a bad position. I'm sure it'll overcome that in time though.
 
1) They rebuilt him, so he's returning the favor.
2) SHIELD did more than fight alien invasions. SHIELD was involved in tens of thousands of separate cases of intelligence collecting/research/collating/distributing to proper authorities, providing security for hundreds of people on a daily basis, etc......The AVENGERS don't have time or resources for this.
3) It has already been shown that there will people objecting to Stark privatizing world peace, so there should be a backup group to work on it also. After all, the UN, INTERPOL, the NATO Alliance, etc, didn't shut down when SHIELD first established a global presence.



1) I always got the idea that Coulson was annoyed with Stark...don't think he would work well with him.
2) Coulson is a loyal kind of guy. He also has a code of honor and ethics. So to him, healing SHIELD and proving to the world that people who carry it's ID badges are to be trusted and respected is important to him.

Well, when you put it that way...it does actually make sense. Though I'm surprised that coulson wouldn't at least try to recruit former members of SHIELD like Clint or even Steve Rogers himself...but I guess that's to be expected.

Plus, I guess my big issue with all of this is how Coulson made it look like there was NO ONE else on the planet that could protect the world after SHIELD had been compromised in Season 1, in a way where it looked like he totally forgot that the Avengers exist.

Yes, I know that they can't do the stuff that SHIELD would normally do, but they're still there to take on the big hits.

Still wondering if and when Coulson will reveal he's alive to the Avengers

I've actually been wondering that myself. I find it hard to believe that at least ONE member (that isn't Clint or Natasha) wouldn't know by now that Coulson is alive and well. We've seen Phil involved in some pretty public incidents during the events of Season 1 so the idea that none of the big four Avengers picked up on this is somewhat difficult to accept.

And I honestly don't know as to whether Phil's reunion with the team should be done on television, off-screen, or on film. I feel like if it's kept in the dark about whether the Avengers know or not past the third Avengers film, then it's seriously a BIG PLOT HOLE that will NEVER be resolved, let alone a irresponsible one created by those involved.

But I do think the fact that the existence of the show runs contrary to the implications of CATWS and the command of Captain America put it in a bad position. I'm sure it'll overcome that in time though.


To be honest, I feel like a lot of things on this show has "undermined" the events that have taken place within the films.

Fury said that it was from the events of "Thor 1" that SHIELD had discovered there was Alien life out there in the universe, and yet we find out that Fury had a Kree Corpse lying around in one of his hidden bunkers.

Also, when Steve makes the decision to take down SHIELD, it's made to look like the noble and right choice due to HYDRA having compromised it.

And yet when you see what goes down on this show, it would make Steve look like a bad person since he pretty much help destroy the only home and place that a lot of GOOD SHIELD agents had.

Not to mention, that in the films...we see on how much of a fan Coulson is of Captain America...and yet he shows NO REACTION when he learns about what Captain America did during the final events of "The Winter Soldier" (bringing down the 3 hellecarriers).
 
To be honest, I feel like a lot of things on this show has "undermined" the events that have taken place within the films.

Fury said that it was from the events of "Thor 1" that SHIELD had discovered there was Alien life out there in the universe, and yet we find out that Fury had a Kree Corpse lying around in one of his hidden bunkers.

Also, when Steve makes the decision to take down SHIELD, it's made to look like the noble and right choice due to HYDRA having compromised it.

And yet when you see what goes down on this show, it would make Steve look like a bad person since he pretty much help destroy the only home and place that a lot of GOOD SHIELD agents had.

Not to mention, that in the films...we see on how much of a fan Coulson is of Captain America...and yet he shows NO REACTION when he learns about what Captain America did during the final events of "The Winter Soldier" (bringing down the 3 hellecarriers).

Do we know that blue thing is an alien?

Also i don't see how the show makes Steve look bad, i think it is a perfectly good compromise for some peoples careers to be ruined when he literally saved the world.

Though i do agree Coulson should have mentioned Cap more, especially in that episode.
 
To be honest, I feel like a lot of things on this show has "undermined" the events that have taken place within the films.

Fury said that it was from the events of "Thor 1" that SHIELD had discovered there was Alien life out there in the universe, and yet we find out that Fury had a Kree Corpse lying around in one of his hidden bunkers.

You expect the best spy in the world to reveal his secrets to some civilians?
 
To be honest, I feel like a lot of things on this show has "undermined" the events that have taken place within the films.

Fury said that it was from the events of "Thor 1" that SHIELD had discovered there was Alien life out there in the universe, and yet we find out that Fury had a Kree Corpse lying around in one of his hidden bunkers.
This doesn't bother me because, a) Why would Fury tell anyone and b)it's still the first time the government hasn't contained an alien presence and it was the first time the world received proof of aliens. Still very momentous
Also, when Steve makes the decision to take down SHIELD, it's made to look like the noble and right choice due to HYDRA having compromised it.

And yet when you see what goes down on this show, it would make Steve look like a bad person since he pretty much help destroy the only home and place that a lot of GOOD SHIELD agents had.

Not to mention, that in the films...we see on how much of a fan Coulson is of Captain America...and yet he shows NO REACTION when he learns about what Captain America did during the final events of "The Winter Soldier" (bringing down the 3 hellecarriers).
I agree and disagree with you. I think the show could have done a better job addressing the fact the S.H.I.E.L.D. was corrupt. (I wish Providence had included a line from Coulson to Skye like "I told you S.H.I.E.L.D. was a happy family. I was blind. I loved SHIELD and told you that it could be your family. All the time I was blind to the corruption and invasions of privacy all around me. Even when I was a part of it myself." That way, I think Fury's line in the finale would have had more impact, because Coulson would have recognized that old SHIELD was a mix of the people like him and the people who were like Pierce/Fury (They aren't all that different) but that new SHIELD could be just the good.
 
We don't know when the Kree corps arrived. It could have been after Thor.
 

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