Why must all the villains be out to destroy gotham?

[Iceburgeruk]

I know it kinda makes sense but why do they keep thinking batman films has to play out like superman films. In most batman stories two face or joker are not planning over the top schemes they are simply killing people and need to be caught.

I mean why does every mvie seem to need top end with a threat to the city. Does warner brothers think that having the joker as a sadistic mass murderer is not enough of a reason for us to want batman to take him down. Are gruseome senseless murders not a reason to apprehend a criminal or do they have to do something "really" bad liek threaten his hometown.

It works for other heroes like superman but batman`s villains are mostly human so therefore although some plots work (Batman 89, Batman Begins) most of the others end up seeming ridiculous (Batman Returns, Batman Forever, Batman and robin). I understand the need for soem grandstanding but if WB carries on with this trend then reguardless of batman begin`s restart we wll soon be back to square one with campy mister freeze freezing all of gotham.

 

[The Empire Ape]

because you need a kind of climax in every movie. they could make an interesting detective movie with Batman, but nobody would watch it.

 

[Two-Face]

because you need a kind of climax in every movie. they could make an interesting detective movie with Batman, but nobody would watch it.

I would...

 

[Iceburgeruk]

because you need a kind of climax in every movie. they could make an interesting detective movie with Batman, but nobody would watch it.

People watched spider-man. GG wasn`t out to kill everybody, at any given time there were only a couple dozen at risk. That film worked brilliantly and didn`t require gobby having a goblin-nuke set to blow up nyc.

I`m not saying have no threat at all. Its just that the average batman villain shouldn`t be a threat to the entire city. Its well outside their means, they are psychotic criminals without super powers. Which is why the plots are normally always a little ludicrous in the batman movies because you have to come up with some way the riddler or mister freeze or the penguin could threaten the entire city. I mean the gripe a lot of people have with batman returns was the rocket penguins, the element introduced to do the normal batamn film citywide threat for penguin.

 

[GoogleMe94]

well mr freeze didnt just want to destroy gotham, but "DAH WAAAAHLD!!!

 

[CFE]

People watched spider-man. GG wasn`t out to kill everybody, at any given time there were only a couple dozen at risk. That film worked brilliantly and didn`t require gobby having a goblin-nuke set to blow up nyc.

And yet "Spiderman 2" blew "Spiderman"s gross out of the water and it featured a plot that would end up destroying half of New York...

CFE

 

[Iceburgeruk]

Hasn`t spidey 3 made even more with just the girlfriend in peril again.

 

[GoogleMe94]

got i hated spiderman 2. they made the tantacles, not dock ock, the real villians. tis why Goblin was so much cooler.

 

[The Joker]

got i hated spiderman 2. they made the tantacles, not dock ock, the real villians. tis why Goblin was so much cooler.

You diss all the great superhero flicks.

 

[GoogleMe94]

umm no i dont. i loved spiderman 1, HATED spiderman 3 (villian was boring, sorry), and spiderman 3 i actually liked, but didnt love. first 1 is the best for me, but thats ussually the case. and yes, i may not have thought batman begins was the best, but thats because thats my opinion so deal with it and i'll try to deal with yours. thank you.

 

[The Joker]

Dealing with you has become old hat around here. You're notorious for your piss poor opinions and how you express them.

 

[GoogleMe94]

piss poor opinions? no wonder i call most ppl on here Hypocrits. i can just as well say that your opinions suck ass, but im not going to because im not a troll. basically, if you say you didnt like nolans film (heck, even spiderman 2 it seems), everyone goes nuts. tis why i hardly come here anymore, ppl get too offended too easily. lame. but its my fault partially, i know that here, its mostly comic book reading fanboys not just some casual movie site where its ussually fairer opinions. as a movie, i thought begins sucked and burtons films were superior. in movie terms only. as batman films, yes, begins may be more better, but i still dont like it, and probably never will. still have hopes though for TDK though.

 

[The Empire Ape]

Spider-Man movies are really painful to watch for me (technically they are quite entertaining). So much wasted potential and almost every character was got wrong

 

[CFE]

Hasn`t spidey 3 made even more with just the girlfriend in peril again.

Yeah but unlike "Spiderman 2," "Spiderman 3" was a piece of s**t underserving of its grosses. Even though I'm okay with the first two films, the "Spiderman" movies are really just for the teeny bopper MTV crowd who use them as an excuse to catch new songs from Maroon 5 or Snow Patrol BC they know their beloved MTV hasn't played Music for the past 8 years...

"WHO HOO we love Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst even though there Peter and MJ have no sense of on screen chemistry, now play that "Vindicated" song again!!!!"

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As for the topic at hand, I'm not sure I follow...BC not all the villians set out to destroy Gotham. In fact, only four did (Joker, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, Ra's Al Ghul)

Penguin was just being used as a puppet so Shreck could get his capacitor and "control" the city...Riddler and Two-Face used The Box to read the minds of Gothamites and "control" the city...And Catwoman and Scarecrow had no desire whatsoever to destroy Gotham on any sort of grand scale.)

Now that I think about it...

Joker used the 200th anniversary parade as a way of poisoning a large collection of Gothamites (not all of them though)...but that's not the same as destroying Gotham herself...

Freeze and Ivy were going to plunge Gotham into a new Ice Age and rule over her animal/plant hybrids...and Ra's was going use Crane's Fear Toxin to have the citizens of Gotham run amuck in terror and destroy themselves, which in effect would destroy Gotham, but his intentions weren't to literally bring down skyscrapers or kill people (The Fear Toxin only kills in massive doses and I'd think it'd there'd have to be more than what was laced into the water supply by the time Gordon and the cops found it.)

So really, the only one who sought to destroy the city itself, the actual buildings and highways and what have you, were Ivy and Freeze...more Freeze since Ivy would've followed Gotham's destruction with the plant life.

Given all that, only Freeze was the only one out to physically destroy "Gotham City"...every other occurance delt with destroying its citizens...or not destroying it at all...

CFE

 

[union_jak]

As for the topic at hand, I'm not sure I follow...BC not all the villians set out to destroy Gotham. In fact, only four did (Joker, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, Ra's Al Ghul)

Penguin was just being used as a puppet so Shreck could get his capacitor and "control" the city...Riddler and Two-Face used The Box to read the minds of Gothamites and "control" the city...And Catwoman and Scarecrow had no desire whatsoever to destroy Gotham on any sort of grand scale.)

Now that I think about it...

Joker used the 200th anniversary parade as a way of poisoning a large collection of Gothamites (not all of them though)...but that's not the same as destroying Gotham herself...

Freeze and Ivy were going to plunge Gotham into a new Ice Age and rule over her animal/plant hybrids...and Ra's was going use Crane's Fear Toxin to have the citizens of Gotham run amuck in terror and destroy themselves, which in effect would destroy Gotham, but his intentions weren't to literally bring down skyscrapers or kill people (The Fear Toxin only kills in massive doses and I'd think it'd there'd have to be more than what was laced into the water supply by the time Gordon and the cops found it.)

So really, the only one who sought to destroy the city itself, the actual buildings and highways and what have you, were Ivy and Freeze...more Freeze since Ivy would've followed Gotham's destruction with the plant life.

Given all that, only Freeze was the only one out to physically destroy "Gotham City"...every other occurance delt with destroying its citizens...or not destroying it at all...

CFE

Don't forget that the Penguin couldn't have been solely manipulated by Shreck, it's not like Shreck supplied the rockets to blow Gotham up, and he didn't ask the Penguin to drown children in toxic waste. Somewhere along the line Shreck was only an interference into the plans, and when he was out of the way, it was vengeful business as usual.

 

[CFE]

Oh yeah...the penguin rockets...brain fart...

Okay, that's two then...Freeze and Penguin set out to demolish the city

CFE

 

[union_jak]

Oh yeah...the penguin rockets...brain fart...

Okay, that's two then...Freeze and Penguin set out to demolish the city

CFE

I have to say, in any medium, Ra's and Mr Freeze would always be the most likely to try and harm the city.

 

[CFE]

Ra's and Joker for me...but for Joker it depends on whatever mood he's in. Somedays he wants to beat a single person with a crowbar while other days he wants to burn down an entire district of Gotham...

CFE

 

[Bat Attack]

piss poor opinions? no wonder i call most ppl on here Hypocrits. i can just as well say that your opinions suck ass, but im not going to because im not a troll.

The only hypocrite on here is you, moron. You spout the same garbage about how "begins sucks and burtons films rocked" without anything to back up your statements.

basically, if you say you didnt like nolans film (heck, even spiderman 2 it seems), everyone goes nuts. tis why i hardly come here anymore, ppl get too offended too easily. lame. but its my fault partially, i know that here, its mostly comic book reading fanboys not just some casual movie site where its ussually fairer opinions.

LMFAO, "fairer opinions", I can't believe thats coming from a person like you!!
Than don't say it. If people are being offended by a comment you made obviously you're doing something wrong.

 

[BubbaGump]

And yet "Spiderman 2" blew "Spiderman"s gross out of the water and it featured a plot that would end up destroying half of New York...

CFE

Spiderman 2's gross did NOT surpass Spiderman's.

You'll have to temporarily find a different username.

 

[Blade90]

Dealing with you has become old hat around here. You're notorious for your piss poor opinions and how you express them.

Even though you and many others may not agree with him, he still has the right to his 'piss poor' opinions, whether you disagree with them or not, just like you have the right to yours.

 

[The Joker]

Even though you and many others may not agree with him, he still has the right to his 'piss poor' opinions, whether you disagree with them or not, just like you have the right to yours.

Never said he wasn't. It's how he expresses them that's the problem.

For example, he made a thread about the best Batman vehicles, saw alot of people were voting for the Tumbler, and then says he wishes he didn't include it because of all the Nolanites.

He disses all things Nolan all the time. Every chance he gets.

He's a troll.

 

[Blade90]

Never said he wasn't. It's how he expresses them that's the problem.

For example, he made a thread about the best Batman vehicles, saw alot of people were voting for the Tumbler, and then says he wishes he didn't include it because of all the Nolanites.

He disses all things Nolan all the time. Every chance he gets.

He's a troll.

I see. Well, then if he doesn't agree with other people's opinions and doesn't like it when they don't agree with his, then maybe he should find a pro-Burton Batman forum to post on then.

 

[CFE]

Spiderman 2's gross did NOT surpass Spiderman's.

You'll have to temporarily find a different username.

We all have our days

Spidey did make 30 mil more domestically...I just wasn't thinking at the time.

I'll stick with my user name, thanks.

CFE

 

[Mladen]

... why does every mvie seem to need top end with a threat to the city. ...

completely agreed, there's that feeling in a superhero film that there has to be a BIG finale, some daring feat which only the HERO could achieve.

Lots of action movies end with the hero saving the world, but others just end with him saving his best friend and killing some bad guys, and thats good enough for me. Saving a friend is just as tense as saving a bunch of extras. If anybody thinks you can't make a tense climax without the city being at stake, you don't watch enough movies.

The last act of Batman Begins just ruined the vibe of the movie for me, I could have done without the 'save Gotham' crap and would have liked to have seen Batman vs the Mob/Scarecrow that the first half of the movie went to pains to set up.