Why Toy Sales Ruined Star Wars

[what_19]

Wow....that edit actually works.

And same here. Using Wookies instead of Ewoks would have made ROTJ much more realistic (as realistic as a scifi film can get). I never really understood how the Empire, the deadliest military force in the galaxy, was brought down on foot by three foot tall care bears.

this i totally agree with..the troopers get beat by care bears, yet are able to effing destroy all jedi 20 years earlier. makes ZERO sense.

this might be off target for this thread, but darth vader is basically the emperors *****. he just does what he says. he's his lap dog. he goes from the greatest jedi ever, to possibly being the greatest sith ever, to being just a ***** to the emperor. he fails at his assistant job, yet stays in charge. weird. i dont like that at all and its always bugged me.

just saying

 

[Drizzle]

Despite *****ing about the ewoks, for years people didn't complain about stuff like this.

I think people stopped *****ing about the ewoks once Jar Jar Binks showed up in the saga.

 

[CGHulk]

I think people stopped *****ing about the ewoks once Jar Jar Binks showed up in the saga.

I never heard or read anyone complaints about the Ewoks until I saw it on the internet, 14 years later.

Oh and the same thing goes for Jar Jar, as on the internet I mean.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I'm not going to lie. As a kid I liked the ewoks.

But Star Wars was always about toys. Lucas secured the merchandising rights before the first movie in a time when nobody did that. Lucas knew merchandising was where the real money was since day one.

 

[CGHulk]

Well Lucas's dad was a business man, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. George states that he never wanted to go into business like his father, in the end he did. What you resist you become I guess!

 

[Octoberist]

I think people stopped *****ing about the ewoks once Jar Jar Binks showed up in the saga.

Jar-Jar takes the cake for being awful.

 

[Mr.Webs]

this i totally agree with..the troopers get beat by care bears, yet are able to effing destroy all jedi 20 years earlier. makes ZERO sense.

this might be off target for this thread, but darth vader is basically the emperors *****. he just does what he says. he's his lap dog. he goes from the greatest jedi ever, to possibly being the greatest sith ever, to being just a ***** to the emperor. he fails at his assistant job, yet stays in charge. weird. i dont like that at all and its always bugged me.

just saying

Not to be a total dork, but I actually believe that the Imperial Army had begun enlisting and drafting humanoids from different planets to fill their Stormtrooper ranks. Only the 501st Legion, 'Vaders Fist', remained the elite clone troopers.

Not sure how much of that is canon though.

 

[CGHulk]

Well I was thinking maybe the Empire after the war took control of the cloning facilities or shut them all down on Geonosis. Then they started growing the clones on Coruscant, you know government run cloning. The result is less fantastic as the Geonosian's did, you know budgets and all, and the result is a dumbed down versions of clones from the time of the Clone Wars. They're just mindless obedient clones used to just keep order in the galaxy.

 

[Ghostvirus]

I never heard or read anyone complaints about the Ewoks until I saw it on the internet, 14 years later.

Oh and the same thing goes for Jar Jar, as on the internet I mean.

Thank god! I thought I was the only one. I remember the first time I read that the Ewoks suck. It was like finding out there is no god. I was like wait, but I have loved the Ewoks forever.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I thought the Ewoks were pretty lame, too, but then I really took into consideration what they did. They're an established warrior tribe that A) were going to cook Han and Luke alive in honor of Threepio B) defeated "top men" from the Empire and C) took Stormtrooper helmets and used them as drums. That's like taking a medal off a dead soldier and using it for a bottle opener. Ewoks are cool in my book.

 

[CGHulk]

I thought the Ewoks were pretty lame, too, but then I really took into consideration what they did. They're an established warrior tribe that A) were going to cook Han and Luke alive in honor of Threepio B) defeated "top men" from the Empire and C) took Stormtrooper helmets and used them as drums. That's like taking a medal off a dead soldier and using it for a bottle opener. Ewoks are cool in my book.

Didn't Yoda say something about not to judge someone by their size?

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Size matters not.

 

[Drizzle]

I don't mind the ewoks, but I hated their stupid little song at the end of the original version of "Jedi". That was no way to end the trilogy. The new score at the end is the only change that I really liked in the special editions.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

"Yub Nub" is awesome!

 

[CGHulk]

"Yub Nub" is awesome!

I agree!

Back in 1983 When I saw ROTJ everyone in the theater went crazy when the Ewoks joined the ground battle everyone loved it!

 

[maenalus]

The only thing I completely agree with Kurtz on is that the second Death Star was a mistake. It takes away from the uniqueness of the the Death Star and cheapens its destruction in the first.

Also, Wookies instead of Ewoks would have probably been better.

 

[Drizzle]

"Yub Nub" is awesome!

Yeah, if you're in kindergarten.

 

[Sam Fisher]

Jar-Jar takes the cake for being awful.

You're forgetting something

 

[Solidus]

This is kinda a rant, but how I feel about the whole GL and SW situation.

There was a teacher that taught Kindergarten at a local school of mine, she was the best, won awards, was praised by all parents. I remember how everyone said she really laid a great ground work of education for the children and did exceptional. I should know too because I had her over two decades ago lol. But I heard later she was transferred to 8th grade for a year, than later high school. And she was terrible, no one liked her, they said she had no idea how to teach. She eventually went back to Kindergarten and again she was perfect.

To me that reminds me of George. George is a superb inventor and idea man. And he can create a whole universe and premise very well, he did it twice almost it seemed with ease. But the funny thing is as it came time to make the characters grow, or the universe expand, he was horrible at it.

I've read lots of things from people especially with the documentary "The People Vs. George Lucas. There are many interesting things in there but one thing I almost will scream at that director that he and many others are dead wrong about. Many try to claim that Star Wars was really a generational thing, and that is why the prequels failed. I just flat out say "wrong." I was born right after ROTJ came out, so I was never part of this nostalgic generation that some try to say. I'm sure for a small percentage of fans, there may be some that are just nostalgic. But I was raised on the OT and loved them to death, and still to this day Star Wars is always a part of my life, just like comics. When the PT came out I was very disappointed, not because it was "not the OT" but simply because they were mediocre movies at best.

I mean example of Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. I remember prior to Begins hoping that they would be at least as good as B89. Well heh, they turned out to me and most people much better. And for most I think nostalgic does not mean anything. It's simply if a films good....it's good.

To me the PT had horrible characters, dialogue, directing, and just over all feel to it. But does that mean I hate it Star Wars now? No. Funny enough most fans I talk to including myself LOVE...JUST LOVE The Clone Wars. A lot of fans, and my friends included seemed to agree that The Clone Wars is vastly superior to the PT. Which does say something to me. So do I hate the PT universe? No. I just think simply the PT movies were poorly made compared to their originals.

Also I love the Thrawn Trilogy, the Jedi Academy trilogy and many of the video games with superb stories. Such as Knights of the Old Republic, Dark Forces, The Force Unleashed. These all had above amazing stories and characters. Thrawn is still one of the best villains ever created.

So to me I can't stand the nostalgic argument, that that's why people hate on the PT. Or just dislike it like I did. To me I think Star Wars has the most amazing potential, but it may need to be "GL free". I think he did great creating the universe, but I think many others have amazing stories and characters to explore in this vast vast universe.

I mean reading The Secret History of Star Wars is actually from many factual sources, and direct people that worked with him. It is clear that Lucas as me and DJ talked before is a great creator, but I think that's where he stops anymore.

To me even with just B class video games or other EU they have done better than the PT, and I would love to see a film trilogy done with no Lucas intervention. I bet it would be great and revitalize it. I mean even something some what based off of the Thrawn series would be amazing.

 

[Timstuff]

I suppose this is great news for people who believe Empire Strikes Back is the only good movie in the series, but for me, I like Star Wars the way it is. Do I hate Ewoks? Yeah. Do I think that a second Death Star was a weak plot? You bet. Would I have rather had the movie that Kurtz mentioned? No. I still love Return of the Jedi and for many fans it's their favorite film in the series (even though mine is ESB), so I don't blame Lucas for going with the happy ending that he chose. If I could go back in time and choose between Lucas's version and the version Kurtz says would have been made, I'd still go with Lucas's because that's the Return of the Jedi that I know and love, and I think that he made the right call ending it with the loose ends tied up. I suppose that's part of me and my foolish belief that Star Wars is not ruined, despite what some fanboys frequently (and loudly) moan about.

 

[Octoberist]

Wait a minute. NO ONE HERE has Empire was the only good movie in the series. Who said that? Nobody. It's safe to say that people have their preferences but that's it.

Again, no one ever said that Empire was the only good one because that's not only absurd, b/c you're pretty much putting words into people's mouths. And I hope that's not your intent. If I'm wrong about then I apologize.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

That alternate ending is really interesting but the ending we did get is just as good.

 

[Timstuff]

Wait a minute. NO ONE HERE has Empire was the only good movie in the series. Who said that? Nobody. It's safe to say that people have their preferences but that's it.

Again, no one ever said that Empire was the only good one because that's not only absurd, b/c you're pretty much putting words into people's mouths. And I hope that's not your intent. If I'm wrong about then I apologize.

No-one in here has said it, but I get sick of hearing people say it IRL. Sadly, there are only a few things to do that are more foolish than to try and defend George Lucas in a room containing angry geeks.

 

[Octoberist]

I dont' know what IRL means!

I think it's almost like an unspoken thing even amongst the hardcore fans: I think everyone acknowledges that he made Star Wars into a profitable but very toyetic franchise. And yes, it DOES feel like he's milking it sometimes though it may not be case.

But I will always love Lucas for what he has done in the past. He's like the cool uncle who became a depressing alcoholic in his later years. You still love him.

 

[Timstuff]

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