Apocalypse Will Dazzler and Psylocke be in?

[def28]

There will have to be heavy creative license as usual but if this was adapted your talking Wolverine, Deadpool, Nightcrawler, Psylocke, Archangel and Fantomex. With Horsemen, Shadow King, Mystique, Sabartooth, Daken and Apocalypse playing into it as well. That's a pretty legit roster of characters. It would be looked at as a major X flick into the series with tons of fan favs. So I can see Josh8's point of view here.

As far as the rating, be it X-Force or X-Men we won't get the graphic gore and violence. But it's not like the series doesn't deal with dark tones and violence. Wolverine has been slicing people up non stop in these flicks, so having a team led by him that kills bad guys in order to save the world like himself ain't that far off. The X-Men have never really had a serious sit down talk with Logan about how he can lay low on the killing with much effect, even though that's a big issue with Prof X.

If they make a film that has to deal with the heavier ramifications of members committing murder to villains or potential ones (be it preemptive or self defense) it wouldn't be out of range for the series imo. It's an interesting subject when dealing with powerful villains who can destroy the world regardless of the X title. Batman's explored the theme in TDK as does the Deadpool script, and even Big Hero 6 a bit. When they play the killing is wrong hand hand with Magneto the audience expects it cause he's looked at as a bad guy, but Logan gets a free pass with the X-Men most the time as Deadpool always likes to point out. UXF takes it to a whole other level and asks more questions. Obviously the X-Men shouldn't encourage killing but when it involves a character like Aoocalypse, that conversation should at least come up. Plenty of the X-Men have killed at some point in the books.

That said I'd prefer it be X-Force for it to stand out, expansion/character development and separate Logan from the main team. Shoving in too many characters to one property has been an issue. It should be recognized by featuring the more edgy characters of the X characters like the books do.Film wise It can also lead to an interesting story for future conflict between both teams.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Obviously they don't have to be recognisable characters if done right just look at the best example for this guardians of th Galaxy, best thing to do is make sure people understand that this is a new thing, if you give fans the idea that they may add characters we know then they will get bitter when its not the character they want

 

[def28]

Are you talking about the general title of X-Force? If they have another story in mind then yeah, of course! Use whatever X-Force character works for the script be it new, old or whatever.

But why adapt a story that's pretty specifically about Betsy, Fantomex, and Angel if your not using them? Betsy and Angel can't be replaced there. The story in question is useless without them. Would be like adapting Abnentt's GOTG without Starlord, Rocket and Gamora. Or Dark Phoenix Saga without Jean Grey.

Best thing to do imo, is to make sure they have the best story. Not that I would be opposed to the 90s team or Yost/Kyle team (love both), but going from X-Force comics that's hands down UXF vol 1. As it's been said it's up with their with the best X titles overall. If Fox don't want to do X-Force but introduce Betsy and Angel in an X-Men film then I could definitely see elements of UXF being thrown in.

 

[Havok83]

I was more just talking about the characters. Also, the 90s X-Force was working very much so independent of the X-Men. Yes, Cyclops' first X-Force was similar in a military-esque way and shared a lot of the characters. Uncanny X-Force was a different beast. And I very much think the concept and mission in Uncanny X-Force's Apocalypse Solution/Dark Angel Saga could be an X-Men movie. But yes, the killings and stuff wouldn't work, but that all depends on how they want to tell the story. If they go super dark, then probably keep the X-Force name. But the story itself would translate very well to an X-Men movie as a follow up to Apocalypse (yes, it would have to be toned down).

whats the point though? X-force is pitched to help expand the Xmen universe. Its different enough that it can stand on its own. Its an oppurtunity to focus on a new set of characters tackling different themes. To just make it another X-men film unnecessarily dilutes the brand

Are you talking about the general title of X-Force? If they have another story in mind then yeah, of course! Use whatever X-Force character works for the script be it new, old or whatever.

But why adapt a story that's pretty specifically about Betsy, Fantomex, and Angel if your not using them? Betsy and Angel can't be replaced there. The story in question is useless without them. Would be like adapting Abnentt's GOTG without Starlord, Rocket and Gamora. Or Dark Phoenix Saga without Jean Grey.

Best thing to do imo, is to make sure they have the best story. Not that I would be opposed to the 90s team or Yost/Kyle team (love both), but going from X-Force comics that's hands down UXF vol 1. As it's been said it's up with their with the best X titles overall. If Fox don't want to do X-Force but introduce Betsy and Angel in an X-Men film then I could definitely see elements of UXF being thrown in.

People may disagree but I dont think those characters are vital to adapting UXF's story onscreen. At its core, its a story about an X-man going evil and his love helping him infighting the residual corruption from his ordeal as Apocalypse' horseman. We dont know who will be horsemen in the upcoming film so anyone could fit that bill and a supporting cast can be created around that to fill out the team. While Warren and Psylocke are the two most obvious choices (and who they should go with), I dont think its vital that it only be them and that the team needs to be the same. That story worked and was powerful bc of the rich history it used, especially between the characters; none of that has been established in the movieverse. In this sense, if and when X-force makes it to the big screen, its probably best that something like Yost/Kyle's concept is used instead with UXF as a sequel. Whichever characters get used, they need heavy development prior to doing it. I dont think you can just jump into it and do it justice.

Besides, the only ones that it would matter to is diehard comic fans, but you are talking maybe a couple of hundred thousand over millions upon millions that will see it. DoFP didnt have all the major players. TAS adapted tons of comic stories, yet had to make adjustments bc the roster was different. Both turned out fine.

 

[def28]

DOFP was also a two ( or three?) issue story. DOFP is actually a pretty legit adaptation. Huge difference there between these stories though in character development, issue run and focus. This is all an if at this point. Of course everything would have to be set up right first. Right now we have no idea who the horsemen are or how this ends. Just that this particular story is a great post Apocalypse one and features a much more significant role for Betsy then she is ever likely to get on Singer's X-Men.

Remender's UXF is extremely dependent on Warren and Betsy's relationship,character as well as Warren being the villain. If they adapted Dark Angel Saga and didn't include them I would definitely call bs. Don't see how that can be debated. If your gonna attempt that stroyline but not use the two characters that made it great and about, it's losing alot of it's punch and failing yet again to expand their universe. Better to use something else or be influenced it at the most. All the storylines throughout both UXF volumes have to do with Betsy. She represents quite alot of UXF just herself alone. It's almost impossible to find an issue where she's not in it.

So yeah, disagree quite a bit here. X-Force as a whole, different story.

 

[EnDz0n3]

I know next to nothing about UXF, save for the fact that it apparently features Betsy and Warren as lead characters, but this whole business that the filmmakers have to absolutely use those 2 characters I would have to disagree with.

Just look to DOFP where they were able to use different characters and completely eliminated others from the comic book its adapting from. And it can be argued that it was all for the best (ie. critical and commercial success).

 

[def28]

I know next to nothing about UXF, save for the fact that it apparently features Betsy and Warren as lead characters, but this whole business that the filmmakers have to absolutely use those 2 characters I would have to disagree with.

Just look to DOFP where they were able to use different characters and completely eliminated others from the comic book its adapting from. And it can be argued that it was all for the best (ie. critical and commercial success).

DOFP is a short story run though. It's not heavy on character, just idea. These stories excel at much different things. Dark Angel Saga is longer and way more detailed arc tht's about the fall of Archangel as the new Apocalypse. He's the main villain. There is actually no other major female characters in Remender's UXF, so with Betsy it would be just a flat out slap in the face after all this time. So you would be changing your main villain, your lead female and one of the better developed relationships that's specific to character and has yet to be touched upon in the X film verse. It would have to be heavily modified. Not a simple switch of characters.

While certain themes of the run can be explored if your not using those two guys, I just don't see the benefit of adapting Dark Angel Saga storywise without them. Again, I'm not talking X-Force overall. Just this particular run if it was ever to be brought to screen. An X-Force film doesn't need to have any character attached at this point.

 

[Havok83]

DOFP was also a two ( or three?) issue story. DOFP is actually a pretty legit adaptation. Huge difference there between these stories though in character development, issue run and focus. This is all an if at this point. Of course everything would have to be set up right first. Right now we have no idea who the horsemen are or how this ends. Just that this particular story is a great post Apocalypse one and features a much more significant role for Betsy then she is ever likely to get on Singer's X-Men.

Remender's UXF is extremely dependent on Warren and Betsy's relationship,character as well as Warren being the villain. If they adapted Dark Angel Saga and didn't include them I would definitely call bs. Don't see how that can be debated. If your gonna attempt that stroyline but not use the two characters that made it great and about, it's losing alot of it's punch and failing yet again to expand their universe. Better to use something else or be influenced it at the most. All the storylines throughout both UXF volumes have to do with Betsy. She represents quite alot of UXF just herself alone. It's almost impossible to find an issue where she's not in it.

So yeah, disagree quite a bit here. X-Force as a whole, different story.

I dont see why it being 2 issues matters. It was one of the most significant and more well known X-men story out there. You may want to downplay it but DoFP was not that great an adaption of the comic story. They took ALOT of liberties. Nearly everything from the past was completely different. The only thing it shared in common was a dystopian future where sentinels were hunting mutants so an X-man (not Kitty this time) was sent back to prevent it. From there the plot, characters and roles they were utilized in varied to quite a degree. With all that said, it still made for a good movie bc it hit the right themes

Remender's UXF is dependent on Warren and Betsy; the movie-verse version may not be the case. For all we know Havok could be a horseman in Apocalypse and Polaris could be introduced at any point to set them up as those two lead roles in an UXF adaptation onscreen. Or any number of characters

I know next to nothing about UXF, save for the fact that it apparently features Betsy and Warren as lead characters, but this whole business that the filmmakers have to absolutely use those 2 characters I would have to disagree with.

Just look to DOFP where they were able to use different characters and completely eliminated others from the comic book its adapting from. And it can be argued that it was all for the best (ie. critical and commercial success).

they dont. They would be the most ideal, but I think they can still adapt that story quite well without them

 

[def28]

I dont see why it being 2 issues matters. It was one of the most significant and more well known X-men story out there. You may want to downplay it but DoFP was not that great an adaption of the comic story. They took ALOT of liberties. Nearly everything from the past was completely different. The only thing it shared in common was a dystopian future where sentinels were hunting mutants so an X-man (not Kitty this time) was sent back to prevent it. From there the plot, characters and roles they were utilized in varied to quite a degree. With all that said, it still made for a good movie bc it hit the right themes

The assasination featuring Mysitque is fairly in line with what they were doing. The whole concept and beats of the story are there. But they needed to add alot for it to serve as a full film. The storngest part of the film is the Prof X narrative which brought in the actual development and heart. There's just not as much to the story or characters as there is with Dark Angel Saga comic wise. The two are not very comparable imo.

I'm not really trying to downplay DOFP, DOFP is very significant to X-Men comics. Just that there isn't even a quarter of the development there in terms of character in that story that there is for DAS. Due to it being a few issues the plot device and concept of changing the future is more important there then the actual development of characters.

Remender's UXF is dependent on Warren and Betsy; the movie-verse version may not be the case. For all we know Havok could be a horseman in Apocalypse and Polaris could be introduced at any point to set them up as those two lead roles in an UXF adaptation onscreen. Or any number of characters

Everything is pretty much a what if at this point. Who knows, maybe they will maybe they won't. Personally I do not think they will attempt that storline without Angel. You lose so many key things that make that story great according to those characters.

Essentially we or the film makers can change or force anything. Doesn't mean that should happen. For an X-Force film they would be better doing something else then forcing this plot line to work without those characters. They can use the themes here or be influenced by UXF with any storyline they adapt, I agree with that 100%. But to actually use this story that relies on specific character development in order to tell itslef is another thing. It's not Dark Angel Saga without Angel, and the final product would not be the same. It can't be done. Otherwise what's the point if they are all just interchangable and nothing is based around actual character? While there will always be creative license, certain roles should be reserved for said characters when they themselves are that crucial in story telling and plot.

Just cause they add the themes or are influenced by it doesn't really mean they are adapting the story imo. This franchise makes some sketchy decisions regarding set ups for characters so my hope is that they wise up a bit. Aside from this story Psylcoke and Angel are characters I don't wanna see get the Emma Frost treatment or left in the dust for another 15 years cause they didn't plan well. So I hope they expand accordingly and with proper potential.

 

[psylockolussus]

I want to see Psylocke in action with Storm, Phoenix and Rogue!

 

[Krak66]

I want to see Psylocke in action with Storm, Phoenix and Rogue!

I'm not sure that we will see them together in the next 10 years

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Delicious Rumors

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Can anyone else hear Betsy B?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=stU9dV6-w_U

 

[JP]

Delicious Rumors

This gif is a mess. Hahaha.

 

[MbJ]

Jeff Schneider claims Marvel is in the process of casting Psylocke.
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[MakeMinesMarvel]

Psylocke as a official X-Man and kinda mentor to Storm and Marvel Girl would be cool. Psylocke running the danger room training session would be great. Balances out the cast so Moira isnt the only adult female good guy.

Young recruit works too.

 

[psylockolussus]

I want her to appear in the future setting but a younger version wouldn't be bad.

 

[Lip]

If Fox is really casting Psylocke, I hope they announce X-Force for 2017.

 

[Kermit_The_Frog]

Psylocke as a official X-Man and kinda mentor to Storm and Marvel Girl would be cool. Psylocke running the danger room training session would be great. Balances out the cast so Moira isnt the only adult female good guy.

Young recruit works too.

I like all those ideas. Yet, I see her as a Horseman. Call it a gut feeling.

What about that pesky "Pyslocke was in X3" thing. I'd be fine with pretending like it didn't happen.

 

[MbJ]

What about that pesky "Pyslocke was in X3" thing. I'd be fine with pretending like it didn't happen.

They're already using the timeline alterations as an excuse to ignore Jubilee's cameos from the first three movies, so there's nothing stopping them from ignoring Psylocke's previous appearance.

 

[xrs13]

And with Psylocke it wasnt exactly a fully fledged appearence.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

I think the only thing Bryan Singer approves from X3 were Ellen Paige and Kelsey Grammar

 

[psylockolussus]

Well those were co-starring roles.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Jeff Schneider claims Marvel is in the process of casting Psylocke.
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Wow these guys suck. They're not even that familiar with Jubilee nor Psylocke and they're pop culture guys working in the media.

 

[jed]

So I guess there won't be Dazzler as we already have Jubilee in this.

Because their powers are way too similar.


Dazzler fits better in the eighties era than Jubilee. Oh well....