Will Marvel`s fear of change and age eventually destroy them?

[fifthfiend]

"Minor" is exactly right. If these were TV fans, these concerns would be something that would maybe be talked about for five minutes on a slow weekend.

You know they have TV show forums where people ***** about the exact same **** we do, right?

 

[Aristotle]

I have never encountered the level of self-loathing and hatred of the forms and mediums one claims to be a fan of, in any set of fans other than comic book fans.

 

[BrianWilly]

What's this "self-loathing" nonsense? Criticism is self-loathing, now? Hell, you've spent far more time getting bent out of shape about Marvel-related things than anyone here has ever spent complaining about characters being de-aged. You should know better than most that not liking one aspect of comics does not mean hating everything about it.

Genre fans on a macroscopic scale all exhibit pretty much the same exact extremes of behavior, positive or negative. This forum is actually pretty tame from what I can tell, due to its relative low traffic.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I have never encountered the level of self-loathing and hatred of the forms and mediums one claims to be a fan of, in any set of fans other than comic book fans.

Have a chat with some film connoisseurs one day. They sound almost exactly the same as comic fans to me most of the time.

 

[Anubis]

Music fans are even worse.

 

[Aristotle]

Have a chat with some film connoisseurs one day. They sound almost exactly the same as comic fans to me most of the time.

Music fans are even worse.

Both of these groups just delineate between "****ty mainstream music/film" and "good snobby foreign/indie music/film." It's very rare that they actually show so much hate for themselves and the forms that they enjoy.

 

[Anubis]

They do in the Winger Fourms.

 

[iloveclones]

Have a chat with some film connoisseurs one day. They sound almost exactly the same as comic fans to me most of the time.

When the movie Se7en came out, I was on a board on Compuserve (predating the actual internet by a bit), and said that I loved the movie, but that it was just a typical slasher movie with better writing, and a much, much better class of actors. Man, the flaming I got for that lasted for weeks.

 

[Anubis]

So you've always had crappy opinions?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

When the movie Se7en came out, I was on a board on Compuserve (predating the actual internet by a bit), and said that I loved the movie, but that it was just a typical slasher movie with better writing, and a much, much better class of actors. Man, the flaming I got for that lasted for weeks.

I've never watched that movie because I've never been able to get past how stupid its title is. A 7 is not a V, no matter how much the marketing department of that movie wishes it were. Use letters!

 

[Anubis]

That is the second worst reason i've ever seen to not see a movie.

 

[[A]]

That is the second worst reason i've ever seen to not see a movie.

What would be the first..? I'm curious

 

[Red Mask]

I would love to see something like the resurgence of the Age of Exploration in DC as it pertains to outer space; that'd be a really interesting "event direction" to take the line in for a year or two.

But funding a space colony of any kind would still be a ginormous endeavor. We're basically talking about creating a new city, country, or world that's light-years away from any actual Terran jurisdiction. Who's going to shell out the money and labor for a project like that which will almost certainly have no revenue for decades if not centuries? The government? I dunno about the fictional DCU, but our real life space programs have been basically hemorrhaging money for the last decade or so.

They'd have to start small. Terraforming the moon might actually profitable in the longterm -- potentially an alternate fuel source -- especially considering that the League has already set up shop there.

Most aliens in DC and Marvel tend to think of Earth as a backwards mudball populated by overpowered meddlers (DC) and genetic timebombs (Marvel). Not that they don't wind up coming here in battalions anyway, but there's nothing really too appealing about this sector to your run-of-the-mill galactic empire.

Well, we're not talking about the real world's resources. You're right that it's impractical. Even a scientist in Britain has cautioned that it's impractical. But in DC and Marvel, the technology and resources are already available.

Seeing how they could afford spaceships already, anybody who wants to move to outer space would go. That should already be a lot since they already know life exists out there. Anybody who's dreamed of space would go out there. Even in JLU Batman could afford spaceships that travelled beyond the solar system. Wasn't it his companies that created the Javelin ship? And I've already pointed out that DC has mentioned numerous planets with an inhabitable ecosystem for humans. They have the means to migrate at light speeds, and afford it. They're already used stargate technology to exile supervillains. The problem is DC isn't making that step for the greater human population.

Terraforming would mostly be a problem for Marvel Earthlings, because they don't know where they can safely go. They're scared of what's out there. The only person they were willing to send out there was the Hulk. But for the Kree or the Shi'ar, that's not a problem because they have galaxy wide resources. Why wouldn't they inhabit one of the neighboring planets anyway? They're always invading. Nations establish strategic bases against their enemies all the time. The Kree and Skrull empires have had ambitions over Earth in the past. No reason they wouldn't base themselves on Mars and such out of caution. We could have Skrullls on Mars, Kree on Venus, and so forth.

 

[Red Mask]

The way it was actually worded was less dickish than how I put it, but it does basically boil down to the eggheads being able to grow their damn food for them out of thin air and the world governments being all "But the politics!" Not too different from when Thor was like, "I'm giving you free energy, for free," and everyone was like "HAX!!"

Dude, the whole free energy idea dates as far back as Nikola Tesla. That broadcast energy transmitter in G.I. Joe the Movie was partly based on that concept. t:

 

[[A]]

Nikola Tesla rules.

 

[Aristotle]

No, capitalism rules and Nikola Tesla fails abjectly due to the inherent selfishness of the Western mindset and the inherent collectivism of the Eastern mindset.

 

[BrianWilly]

Well, we're not talking about the real world's resources. You're right that it's impractical. Even a scientist in Britain has cautioned that it's impractical. But in DC and Marvel, the technology and resources are already available.

Seeing how they could afford spaceships already, anybody who wants to move to outer space would go. That should already be a lot since they already know life exists out there. Anybody who's dreamed of space would go out there. Even in JLU Batman could afford spaceships that travelled beyond the solar system. Wasn't it his companies that created the Javelin ship? And I've already pointed out that DC has mentioned numerous planets with an inhabitable ecosystem for humans. They have the means to migrate at light speeds, and afford it. They're already used stargate technology to exile supervillains. The problem is DC isn't making that step for the greater human population.

Terraforming would mostly be a problem for Marvel Earthlings, because they don't know where they can safely go. They're scared of what's out there. The only person they were willing to send out there was the Hulk. But for the Kree or the Shi'ar, that's not a problem because they have galaxy wide resources. Why wouldn't they inhabit one of the neighboring planets anyway? They're always invading. Nations establish strategic bases against their enemies all the time. The Kree and Skrull empires have had ambitions over Earth in the past. No reason they wouldn't base themselves on Mars and such out of caution. We could have Skrullls on Mars, Kree on Venus, and so forth.

Some of my points were economic, but a lot of it was social in nature as well. Again, we're talking about creating an entire human world light years away from the actual human world. Superhumans have the means to terraform and build space colonies and then...and then what? Who runs the place? Who maintains it? Who deals with the eventual crisis (small c) and culture clash? Do we expect superheroes to just stay there 24/7 to ensure order? What government in their right mind would send thousands of their own people light years away from any jurisdiction whatsoever and then expect things to just be fine?

Now with that said, those are in fact the exact questions that the Europeans of the 1800s had to ask themselves and deal with when they sent a bunch of people across the world (and that all went smoothly didn't it..). And I'd love to see actual stories like that take place in the DCU but, like I said, they'd have to start much smaller. Let's see people successfully colonize the moon before we talk about Naboo.

 

[Red Mask]

No, capitalism rules and Nikola Tesla fails abjectly due to the inherent selfishness of the Western mindset and the inherent collectivism of the Eastern mindset.

If that were true, the U.S. military would not have installed solar-powered lamps in Baghdad with bullet proof glass to protect them. Terrorists would destroy the street lamps to help them carry out their night time attacks. The pay-off for such an expensive work is hardly much after all these years there. Even the oil industry has slipped from Bush's cronies and into the hands of other gas companies. It's doubtful Iraq will become the democratic country the West wants. But the long term benefits for the Iraqis are improving.

 

[Red Mask]

Some of my points were economic, but a lot of it was social in nature as well. Again, we're talking about creating an entire human world light years away from the actual human world. Superhumans have the means to terraform and build space colonies and then...and then what? Who runs the place? Who maintains it? Who deals with the eventual crisis (small c) and culture clash? Do we expect superheroes to just stay there 24/7 to ensure order? What government in their right mind would send thousands of their own people light years away from any jurisdiction whatsoever and then expect things to just be fine?

Now with that said, those are in fact the exact questions that the Europeans of the 1800s had to ask themselves and deal with when they sent a bunch of people across the world (and that all went smoothly didn't it..). And I'd love to see actual stories like that take place in the DCU but, like I said, they'd have to start much smaller. Let's see people successfully colonize the moon before we talk about Naboo.

I never said it could a smooth transition. The western migration didn't go off without a hitch either. But they went to the 'New World' anyway and took years to develop it. It's like the wild frontier in space, but in DC's world, that's risk I'm sure millions are willing to take. Whoever runs the settlements would obviously have to be a normal Earthling. Maybe it's an American, or a Chinese man, or whoever. But the means and destinations are there. So the opportunity would be a huge draw to many who are willing to make the trip.

I never said the superheroes would help police or run the colonies. I said heroes like the Green Lanterns could help protect the ships and the settlements. They are everywhere after all.

 

[Aristotle]

If that were true, the U.S. military would not have installed solar-powered lamps in Baghdad with bullet proof glass to protect them. Terrorists would destroy the street lamps to help them carry out their night time attacks. The pay-off for such an expensive work is hardly much after all these years there. Even the oil industry has slipped from Bush's cronies and into the hands of other gas companies. It's doubtful Iraq will become the democratic country the West wants. But the long term benefits for the Iraqis are improving.

1) What does any of that have to do with Nikola Tesla? He wasn't a solar guy. Solar has nothing to do with free energy. You mark my words, if they aren't paying for it now (and I'm talking money, not some metaphorical hippiespeak), the Iraqi citizenry will pay for it eventually.
2) The oil industry has slipped from who? Whoever's in charge of it, it's still super-rich bastards. And really, all super-rich bastards are cronies with each other. When you reach the level of sociopathy necessary to have more than a seven-figure non-business personal net worth, there's a camaraderie that comes to exist between people, a joint ****ing of the entire community of life.
3) The US has now killed and injured more Iraqis than Saddam did. In the meantime, quality of life was better under Saddam. And democracy doesn't exist now, and it didn't exist then. Conservatives often ask what they think is an impossible trick question, "Would it have been better to have left Saddam in power?" Unfortunately, the answer is now officially "yes."

 

[lowly marvelite]

No. It won't.

 

[Eros]

1) What does any of that have to do with Nikola Tesla? He wasn't a solar guy. Solar has nothing to do with free energy. You mark my words, if they aren't paying for it now (and I'm talking money, not some metaphorical hippiespeak), the Iraqi citizenry will pay for it eventually.
2) The oil industry has slipped from who? Whoever's in charge of it, it's still super-rich bastards. And really, all super-rich bastards are cronies with each other. When you reach the level of sociopathy necessary to have more than a seven-figure non-business personal net worth, there's a camaraderie that comes to exist between people, a joint ****ing of the entire community of life.
3) The US has now killed and injured more Iraqis than Saddam did. In the meantime, quality of life was better under Saddam. And democracy doesn't exist now, and it didn't exist then. Conservatives often ask what they think is an impossible trick question, "Would it have been better to have left Saddam in power?" Unfortunately, the answer is now officially "yes."

It takes much more then a mere 5 years for a once monarch ruled nation, to attain stability. It takes years, sometimes decades, and their will be hard times, and their will be death. But one day Iraqi will be stable, atleast stable enough where every day life is less hectic. To say the U.S. has failed Iraqi, when its been a only half a decade is stupid and naive. When America left the rule of the Brittish empire, it took years plus numerous wars and a massive civil war, for America to become a "stable" world superpower. Who better to show Iraqi the way, then the nation then did it best.

 

[roach]

The reason Reed doesnt make the world better is because that isnt the job of a superhero. The job of a superhero is to maintain the status quo.Superman alone could do alot to usher humanity into a golden age but spends his time fighting crime in one city in the US. That is irresponsibility of the greatest kind.

 

[Franklin Richards]

He thought about doing it one time. But to implement all the ideas he had he would have had to become Dr. Doom.

Just because you have the cure for cancer, doesn't mean a dumbass won't come up with a reason not to take it.

 

[fifthfiend]

It takes much more then a mere 5 years for a once monarch ruled nation, to attain stability. It takes years, sometimes decades, and their will be hard times, and their will be death. But one day Iraqi will be stable, atleast stable enough where every day life is less hectic. To say the U.S. has failed Iraqi, when its been a only half a decade is stupid and naive. When America left the rule of the Brittish empire, it took years plus numerous wars and a massive civil war, for America to become a "stable" world superpower. Who better to show Iraqi the way, then the nation then did it best.