The Amazing Spider-Man 2 With Great Sequel Comes Great Lounging - Part 8

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[LizardMan07]

TDK is substantially better than TASM2. I will put any amount of money on that, TDK is a complete masterpiece!

 

[SM71]

Then explain The Avengers. There's no need to be so defensive towards this film, it looks to have some glarring issues, some people may feel more passively about it, others might not.

What about the Avengers? That the positive reviews were so positive? Same thing goes for Avatar, and that movie was complete crap. That doesn't dismiss what I'm trying to say, which is clearly not the way you're interpreting it or being lost on you, idk

And agreed. There is no need to be so defensive toward this film. My point is, there's also no need to be so worried/against this film (based on these reviews) either.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I think the Avengers is a fun action movie with a thin plot.

 

[Picard Sisko]

TDK is substantially better than TASM2. I will put any amount of money on that, TDK is a complete masterpiece!

Well that's not a fair comparison IMO. Was anyone really expecting this film to be better than TDK? Also, my favorite CBM thus far is Spider-Man 2, with TDK as a close second.

 

[The Joker]

Well that's not a fair comparison IMO. Was anyone really expecting this film to be better than TDK? Also, my favorite CBM thus far is Spider-Man 2, with TDK as a close second.

Well in fairness some people were saying it's going to be the TDK of the Spidey movies. Not you in particular, Picard, but a few others here. I'm sure you saw those remarks.

 

[Avenging Spidey]

One review, and it doesn't even say the plot is thin, it says it has some bloat to it.

Revisionist history, yeah right.



Saying the script has some bloat to it is not a mixed review. Saying the script is thin, the villains under developed, the tone inconsistent, and the two leads the saving grace of the movie, all common complaints in most of the reviews so far, that's a mixed review. Some would even call that a negative review since it's more bad than good.

Yes, it is revisionist history alright.


Some - not all - rotten reviews:

"Jurgen Fauth
About.com
Plodding, puffed-up kitsch mistaking itself for profound psycho noir that the source material won't support.
Full Review | Original Score: 1/5
July 16, 2008"

"David Fear
Time Out New York
Top Critic
Visually impressive, but any hack can do a halfway decent job with trailer-ready tangents. Not everyone can push the genre forward, and the fact that Nolan's padded popcorn flick isn't the streamlined masterpiece it could have been is a real buzzkill.
Full Review | Original Score: 3/5
July 15, 2008"

"
Stephanie Zacharek
Salon.com
Top Critic
[Ledger gives] a fine performance regardless, and I wish the movie around it were more deserving.
Full Review
July 16, 2008"

"Michael Sragow
Baltimore Sun
It's the standard-bearer for the school of comic-book movies that confuses pompousness with seriousness and popular mechanics for drama.
Full Review | Original Score: C
July 17, 2008"


Mixed Reviews:

"Robert W. Butler
Kansas City Star
The Dark Knight is a good -- not great -- superhero movie that crams as many ideas into its 2 1/2 hours as it can and still be considered a summer action picture.
| Original Score: 3/4
July 16, 2008"


"Cynthia Fuchs
PopMatters
Batman's dilemma in The Dark Knight is how to use his bad press, whether he will embrace it or continue to fight it.
Full Review | Original Score: 7/10
July 17, 2008"

"Jeanne Aufmuth
Palo Alto Weekly
Ambitious, flawed and erratically visionary, Batman is back.
| Original Score: 3/4
July 17, 2008"

Should I continue or did I get my point across? That's rhetorical by the way.

I'm not saying that TASM2 will be as much critically acclaimed as TDK or The Avengers. I'm saying that the reviews have been great so far, and calling them mixed because they aren't raves isn't exactly fair. Same that TASM2 is facing, any other superhero film does.

I believe that TASM2 will be around the 80%-90% score when it's all said and done, leaning more to high eighties.

 

[Eggyman]

Well in fairness some people were saying it's going to be the TDK of the Spidey movies. Not you in particular, Picard, but a few others here. I'm sure you saw those remarks.

I did. It was Teekay that said that, but he added something you missed: Not as good, or on the same level, but doing for Spidey what TDK did for Batman.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Well in fairness some people were saying it's going to be the TDK of the Spidey movies. Not you in particular, Picard, but a few others here. I'm sure you saw those remarks.

True, there were those comparisons. I think I brought up how John Campea kept saying how TASM2 is going to do for this Spider-Man series as TDK did for Batman. I never took that as, "TASM2 will be as good as TDK." Instead I figured it would feel like a huge jump from TASM1 as TDK was a huge jump from BB.

 

[Avenging Spidey]

Well in fairness some people were saying it's going to be the TDK of the Spidey movies. Not you in particular, Picard, but a few others here. I'm sure you saw those remarks.

Teekay said that and I firmly believe this IS one film that will keep getting a lot of critical acclaim in the upcoming weeks.

 

[Avenging Spidey]

True, there were those comparisons. I think I brought up how John Campea kept saying how TASM2 is going to do for this Spider-Man series as TDK did for Batman. I never took that as, "TASM2 will be as good as TDK." Instead I figured it would feel like a huge jump from TASM1 as TDK was a huge jump from BB.

Bingo.

 

[Avenging Spidey]

I did. It was Teekay that said that, but he added something you missed: Not as good, or on the same level, but doing for Spidey what TDK did for Batman.

I firmly believe that Teekay and Campea are correct.

 

[Green Goblin]

Well in fairness some people were saying it's going to be the TDK of the Spidey movies. Not you in particular, Picard, but a few others here. I'm sure you saw those remarks.

That was from some who saw the early screenings, even John Campea (AMC Movie Talk) had reported it.

I don't see the problem with the reviews. It has problems... Just like every film.

 

[The Joker]

Yes, it is revisionist history alright.

No, it's not.

Some - not all - rotten reviews

"Jurgen Fauth
About.com
Plodding, puffed-up kitsch mistaking itself for profound psycho noir that the source material won't support.
Full Review | Original Score: 1/5
July 16, 2008"
"
Stephanie Zacharek
Salon.com
Top Critic
[Ledger gives] a fine performance regardless, and I wish the movie around it were more deserving.
Full Review
July 16, 2008"

"Michael Sragow
Baltimore Sun
It's the standard-bearer for the school of comic-book movies that confuses pompousness with seriousness and popular mechanics for drama.
Full Review | Original Score: C
July 17, 2008"

They're the rotten reviews. What do you expect from the rotten reviews, predominant praise? That wouldn't make them rotten would it.

Except for this one you included in the rotten pile:

"David Fear
Time Out New York
Top Critic
Visually impressive, but any hack can do a halfway decent job with trailer-ready tangents. Not everyone can push the genre forward, and the fact that Nolan's padded popcorn flick isn't the streamlined masterpiece it could have been is a real buzzkill.
Full Review | Original Score: 3/5
July 15, 2008"

A 3/5, the score most of TASM 2's reviews have been getting so far. Case in point.

Mixed Reviews:

"Robert W. Butler
Kansas City Star
The Dark Knight is a good -- not great -- superhero movie that crams as many ideas into its 2 1/2 hours as it can and still be considered a summer action picture.
| Original Score: 3/4
July 16, 2008"

How is that a mixed review? It's a 3/4 rating, and says it's a good superhero movie it just crams too many ideas in.

"Cynthia Fuchs
PopMatters
Batman's dilemma in The Dark Knight is how to use his bad press, whether he will embrace it or continue to fight it.
Full Review | Original Score: 7/10
July 17, 2008"

Again how is that a mixed review? I don't see any negative remarks there and 7/10 is not a mixed score.

"Jeanne Aufmuth
Palo Alto Weekly
Ambitious, flawed and erratically visionary, Batman is back.
| Original Score: 3/4
July 17, 2008"

That is almost unanimously positive. The only negative remark is the flawed word.

Should I continue or did I get my point across? That's rhetorical by the way.

Rhetorical or not, you have not proven anything. I could go to any highly acclaimed movie and post some of the rotten review remarks like you did, because they all have them.

What you're not getting is that so far most of TASM 2's reviews are 3/5's nearly all saying the same thing; wafer thin plot, under developed villains, inconsistent tone, and the saving grace of the movie is Stone and Garfield.

TDK never got that kind of predominant reception in so many reviews. Not even close. And I say so far with TASM 2's. The tide could change. Still early days. I'm just commenting on what we have so far.

I'm not saying that TASM2 will be as much critically acclaimed as TDK or The Avengers. I'm saying that the reviews have been great so far, and calling them mixed because they aren't raves isn't exactly fair. Same that TASM2 is facing, any other superhero film does.

If you call predominant 3/5 review that say more bad than good things great reviews, then your definition of what great reviews are are very different to mine.

I believe that TASM2 will be around the 80%-90% score when it's all said and done, leaning more to high eighties.

If it is it looks like it's going to skate through with reviews that are more mixed than positive.

I did. It was Teekay that said that, but he added something you missed: Not as good, or on the same level, but doing for Spidey what TDK did for Batman.

Well that's fair enough.

True, there were those comparisons. I think I brought up how John Campea kept saying how TASM2 is going to do for this Spider-Man series as TDK did for Batman. I never took that as, "TASM2 will be as good as TDK." Instead I figured it would feel like a huge jump from TASM1 as TDK was a huge jump from BB.

In other words it's the sequel that surpasses the original by a long way.

So far the reviews on the whole are not reflecting a Spidey movie that is doing for the series what TDK did for Batman.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Gotta love how avenging Spidey keeps missing the exceedingly simple point.

 

[Eggyman]

And Joker, I know there were people that went 'OMFGZZZ!!! It's gonna be Better than The Dark Batmanz!!'

Not a lot, but there were. And those posters are not confined to the Spidey boards. I know I'm positive, and I'll stay that way till I see the film (and hopefully afterwards ) but I keep a level head. I'm not expecting high art, just some good Spidey action in a film that doesn't make my head hurt lol.

 

[Green Goblin]

I'm really curious to see how this film turns out.

All the S6 talk and Harry killing Gwen feels rushed. I wonder if that is the criticism? The film spends too much time building towards the S6?

 

[The Joker]

Gotta love how avenging Spidey keeps missing the exceedingly simple point.

So it's not just me that noticed that. All I said was that so far most of the 'positive' reviews are mixed, some saying more bad than good.

And Joker, I know there were people that went 'OMFGZZZ!!! It's gonna be Better than The Dark Batmanz!!'

And people voting it a 10 before even having seen it lol.

Not a lot, but there were. And those posters are not confined to the Spidey boards. I know I'm positive, and I'll stay that way till I see the film (and hopefully afterwards ) but I keep a level head. I'm not expecting high art, just some good Spidey action in a film that doesn't make my head hurt lol.

You always were a sensible egg t:

 

[Eggyman]

Whoa let's not get ahead of ourselves!

 

[Napoleon]

I know this is off topic guys, but did you hear that LEVITIKUZ got a probationary ban? What's that about?

 

[FN Spider-man]

probably about being off topic too much

 

[Eggyman]

I think he gave C Lee the herp.

 

[zipzip]

What's next for the Spider-Man universe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpjEjsyM324#t=19 Andrew some what gave a hint that he will probably be in sinister six or Venom

 

[KillerMcQueen]

I know this is off topic guys, but did you hear that LEVITIKUZ got a probationary ban? What's that about?

Maybe he started going off about EisenLex again