Wonder Woman Returning to TV

[cronosred]

^What say you to Batman who has gone through many different version of his costume in film?

All they basicly did was take his costume and made it black, IMO making Wonder Woman's costume more Xena-like would be the same equivalant to what was done with Batmans costume in the films, it upgrades it but still stays true to the original. I'm not opposed to some change but IMO the costume she has in the comic now just isn't very superhero looking ( can you imagine if they did that with Superman or Batman) and the costume for the show is hardly anymore conservative then her original costume and would not be taken anymore serious either.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Be that as it may they can always revisit it and make it better. They can improve upon it if it goes to series and make modifications to make it look better. I don't think the design for the costume is the problem (except those hideous blue boots) they can refine the material and the detailing to make it less plasticy.

 

[cronosred]

In the end I love Wonder Woman, glad we're getting a new show and will give it a chance, hope that it's good and does well, feel they could have done a better job on the outfit, wish we could have had a movie instead.

 

[cronosred]

Be that as it may they can always revisit it and make it better. They can improve upon it if it goes to series and make modifications to make it look better. I don't think the design for the costume is the problem (except those hideous blue boots) they can refine the material and the detailing to make it less plasticy.

I do hope they make some modifications to the costume before it goes to series, I will say this though I do prefer this costume over the new one in the comics. I don't hate this costume I just think they could have done better.

 

[Paradox1]

If this shows does well maybe a ww project could get out of the development hell it's been in over the last ten years.

 

[Tron Bonne]

I still don't really think this will have any real impact on Wonder Woman's film potential in any significant way. I mean, hell, she has no real chances of getting a big screen adaptation at this point as it stands. And I doubt WB will be looking all that closely at this for confirming there's interest there, unless it becomes exceedingly popular.

Well Cronosred they are wanting to appeal to a larger female audiance and in doing that trying to make her outfit a bit less misogynistic at least from what most people would think without knowing to much about the character. This is happening a lot lately, Witchblade (Sara Pezzini) used to run around in a metal bikini now she is in a head to toe midevil armour and is getting more attention from critics and fans. I think DC is following suit.

Well, if that's what they are trying to do with this suit, they're failing. Because, honestly, from a purely design outlook, the only difference is that she's wearing pants instead of shorts or a skirt. Tight and bright shiny pants, at that.

Truthfully, I don't think there's that many women who have that much a problem with it. In fact, in the '70s, it was renowned feminist Gloria Steinem who championed for the original suit to come back after the mod-Diana era, when she had a far more conservative and 'standard' costume. Really, her suit isn't that bad when drawn properly. Of course, that's an entirely different issue, but anyone who thinks they aren't going to find ways to draw any suit in that vain is rather naive. And, really, what most people who are always wanting to cover her up more and more don't realize is that they are undercutting a pretty significant part of the character. I think that makes it quite ironic.

And the truth is, as I said, despite what many people will try to argue: Her costume's appearance isn't that large of an issue in the grand scheme of things. And the fact that every time they've given up a different look it's never stuck and never bumped the sales to any large degree enforces that pretty well.

I'm not saying everybody who complains is not a fan but I do believe the majority are not. Wonder Woman is hardly alone when it comes to costumes that are hard to take serious and the last time I checked alot of people complain and make jokes about Superman's underwear on the outside yet he still has them on in the comics, movies, and tv shows.

I often point out the hypocrisy of people who belittle WW's costume as ridiculous, but then will apparently go back and have no problem with Superman and Batman running around in their underwear. It's kind of silly in a lot of ways, and just goes to show there's this bizarre little double standard that people have for certain heroes. My general theory is a lot of that goes back to a lot of those people will find any kind of female skin sexualized to some degree or another, even when it's not.

Well I haven't read a wonder woman book in a while but I will assume her being a female character is a issue. I think since comics in general are mostly read by males they have a tougher time idenitfying with female charcters.

Oh yeah, without doubt, that's the biggest issue for Wonder Woman. It's kind of the elephant in the room that no one likes to acknowledge. It isn't the sole reason, I think that is more complex, but definitely a biggie.

 

[Isub_Zero]

Truthfully, I don't think there's that many women who have that much a problem with it. In fact, in the '70s, it was renowned feminist Gloria Steinem who championed for the original suit to come back after the mod-Diana era, when she had a far more conservative and 'standard' costume. Really, her suit isn't that bad when drawn properly. Of course, that's an entirely different issue, but anyone who thinks they aren't going to find ways to draw any suit in that vain is rather naive. And, really, what most people who are always wanting to cover her up more and more don't realize is that they are undercutting a pretty significant part of the character. I think that makes it quite ironic.

And the truth is, as I said, despite what many people will try to argue: Her costume's appearance isn't that large of an issue in the grand scheme of things. And the fact that every time they've given up a different look it's never stuck and never bumped the sales to any large degree enforces that pretty well.

Look... Her creator never gave WW the swimming suit... He gave her a skirt. You know why? Because he respected the character he created. The People who came after him change it. Why? Because they probably saw Wondy more as a sex symbol then a serious super Hero and this is it. So they gave her less and less cloth, ' till all they left her with was this skimpy (and degrading, IMO) swimming suit.

I often point out the hypocrisy of people who belittle WW's costume as ridiculous, but then will apparently go back and have no problem with Superman and Batman running around in their underwear. It's kind of silly in a lot of ways, and just goes to show there's this bizarre little double standard that people have for certain heroes. My general theory is a lot of that goes back to a lot of those people will find any kind of female skin sexualized to some degree or another, even when it's not.

How can you even compare between Bats and Sups suits to Wondy's suit? Seriously?!

 

[Tron Bonne]

Look... Her creator never gave WW the swimming suit... He gave her a skirt. You know why? Because he respected the character he created. The People who came after him change it. Why? Because they probably saw Wondy more as a sex symbol then a serious super Hero and this is it. So they gave her less and less cloth, ' till all they left her with was this skimpy (and degrading, IMO) swimming suit.

The skirt she originally wore wasn't that much different or covered up than the shorts, or underwear, or whatever you want to call it. And that's really the only major thing that's different from the design of the original in that department. Her top and how much skin it reveals hasn't changed much at all. In fact, in several of the original stories he scripted, he had women of the era point at her and say, 'What a hussy!?' due to the costume. Of course, we're suppose to laugh at that rather outdated outlook, not side with it.

Like I said, a lot of the 'misogynist' drawings of the suit have come down to how artists draw it. And no matter how much clothes you cover her up with, artists will find ways to draw them that way. Just look at the current Jim Lee design in the comics and how it's been drawn. When drawn properly, it's really just not that bad, unless you're terrified of legs.

And, oh, make no mistake, Wonder Woman was very much convinced as a sex symbol in a lot of ways, too. That's really got nothing to do with being a serious superhero, though, since one doesn't necessarily void the other.

How can you even compare between Bats and Sups suits to Wondy's suit? Seriously?!

Yeah, how can I compare a colorful swimsuit to a colorful and not so colorful pair of long underwear

 

[The Caped Knight]

But who is she? Like, you know, emotionally?

Well, this Wonder Woman:

Identifies with ET the Extra Terrestrial when his movie comes on TV.
Really loves planes. Like really.
Pines for Steve like Carrie for Big.
Wants to belong and be “among” people, not just “with” them.
Sings along to the radio in multiple scenes – but nothing with a hairbrush in front of the mirror just yet.
Doesn’t like being “marketed, commercialized, merchandised”, though she is – there’s a joke about Wonder Woman tie-in dolls having their costumes redesigned that seems to reference the recent makeover for the comics.
When she’s Diana Prince she’s a mousey Miley Stewart, when she’s Diana Themiscyra she’s the Hanna Montana of businesswomen, and when she’s Wonder Woman she’s Wonder Woman – which is precisely twice in the whole episode.
Is a capitalist.
Puts on her PJs for an ice-cream filled sleepover with best friend Myndi.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/02...edingCool+(Bleeding+Cool+Comic+News+&+Rumors)

To quote the phrase from Han Solo "I've got a bad feeling about this."

 

[Tron Bonne]

Oh, yeah, I remember that coming up a while back when the script leaked. Some good things on there, like identifying with E.T. and loving planes (oh, I love that) I like, but most of it I don't care for much. Especially her wanting to be 'among' people, but not 'with' them. I don't understand what that means. And I'm not sure what being the Hanna Montana of businesswoman means but assume it's not good.

 

[jaymes_e06]

I still don't really think this will have any real impact on Wonder Woman's film potential in any significant way. I mean, hell, she has no real chances of getting a big screen adaptation at this point as it stands. And I doubt WB will be looking all that closely at this for confirming there's interest there, unless it becomes exceedingly popular.

Well, if that's what they are trying to do with this suit, they're failing. Because, honestly, from a purely design outlook, the only difference is that she's wearing pants instead of shorts or a skirt. Tight and bright shiny pants, at that.

Um where you talking to me in praticular? was referring more to the comic revamp.

Truthfully, I don't think there's that many women who have that much a problem with it. In fact, in the '70s, it was renowned feminist Gloria Steinem who championed for the original suit to come back after the mod-Diana era, when she had a far more conservative and 'standard' costume. Really, her suit isn't that bad when drawn properly. Of course, that's an entirely different issue, but anyone who thinks they aren't going to find ways to draw any suit in that vain is rather naive. And, really, what most people who are always wanting to cover her up more and more don't realize is that they are undercutting a pretty significant part of the character. I think that makes it quite ironic.



And the truth is, as I said, despite what many people will try to argue: Her costume's appearance isn't that large of an issue in the grand scheme of things. And the fact that every time they've given up a different look it's never stuck and never bumped the sales to any large degree enforces that pretty well.

I often point out the hypocrisy of people who belittle WW's costume as ridiculous, but then will apparently go back and have no problem with Superman and Batman running around in their underwear. It's kind of silly in a lot of ways, and just goes to show there's this bizarre little double standard that people have for certain heroes. My general theory is a lot of that goes back to a lot of those people will find any kind of female skin sexualized to some degree or another, even when it's not.


Oh yeah, without doubt, that's the biggest issue for Wonder Woman. It's kind of the elephant in the room that no one likes to acknowledge. It isn't the sole reason, I think that is more complex, but definitely a biggie.

Was that directed toward me? I’m so confused? anyway
That’s a little ridiculous. I mean you wouldn’t expect for an actor to go around in the Power Girl outfit from the comics would you? It’s not practical and if people don’t want there daughters exposed to thinking that the only way she can be strong and powerful is to be scantily clad then more power to them.
Girls/Women have to think about these issues it is just factual given that I think it’s one of three will be sexually assaulted. Women need strong female characters especially super heroines to be role models. It is just a fact. Trying to argue that everything needs to be even leaves little room for the gray area of it all: Women are different than men. That’s the main reason it’s been so hard to write a movie for her over the years because she has a very masculine exterior but a very feminine interior. The writers who have done well with her character have always capitalized on both aspects of her personality. Sorry I kind of went off on a tangent there but yeah I think the whole “why isn’t everyone equal?” argument is a little played out.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Um where you talking to me in praticular? was referring more to the comic revamp.

Oh, okay.

Was that directed toward me? I’m so confused?

No, I was referring to the person who I quoted. Why'd you think I would be referring to you

That’s a little ridiculous. I mean you wouldn’t expect for an actor to go around in the Power Girl outfit from the comics would you? It’s not practical and if people don’t want there daughters exposed to thinking that the only way she can be strong and powerful is to be scantily clad then more power to them.

Well, of course not, but there's something to say about not being ashamed of your body to the point that it must be covered at all costs. When drawn properly, it's like a woman who wears short and a tank top. Just that alone isn't necessarily sexual, especially without context to make it so. That's kind of a large core of the character and her feminist undertones. And I wouldn't really call her all that scantily clad when drawn properly. Remember, just showing skin doesn't equal it being sexualized.

Girls/Women have to think about these issues it is just factual given that I think it’s one of three will be sexually assaulted. Women need strong female characters especially super heroines to be role models. It is just a fact. Trying to argue that everything needs to be even leaves little room for the gray area of it all: Women are different than men. That’s the main reason it’s been so hard to write a movie for her over the years because she has a very masculine exterior but a very feminine interior. The writers who have done well with her

character have always capitalized on both aspects of her personality. Sorry I kind of went off on a tangent there but yeah I think the whole “why isn’t everyone equal?” argument is a little played out.

Honestly, I don't have the damnedest clue as to what you're trying to say here

 

[jaymes_e06]

Oh, okay.

No, I was referring to the person who I quoted. Why'd you think I would be referring to you

I’m sorry that wasn’t meant to go in that post.

Well, of course not, but there's something to say about not being ashamed of your body to the point that it must be covered at all costs. When drawn properly, it's like a woman who wears short and a tank top. Just that alone isn't necessarily sexual, especially without context to make it so. That's kind of a large core of the character and her feminist undertones. And I wouldn't really call her all that scantily clad when drawn properly. Remember, just showing skin doesn't equal it being sexualized.

Exactly but there is a tightrope that female character especially super heroines have to walk on that is, of course unfair, but is very real.

Honestly, I don't have the damnedest clue as to what you're trying to say here

EDIT:I mean that men and women have a different standard to uphold. There.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Well, this Wonder Woman:

Identifies with ET the Extra Terrestrial when his movie comes on TV.
Really loves planes. Like really.
Pines for Steve like Carrie for Big.
Wants to belong and be “among” people, not just “with” them.
Sings along to the radio in multiple scenes – but nothing with a hairbrush in front of the mirror just yet.
Doesn’t like being “marketed, commercialized, merchandised”, though she is – there’s a joke about Wonder Woman tie-in dolls having their costumes redesigned that seems to reference the recent makeover for the comics.
When she’s Diana Prince she’s a mousey Miley Stewart, when she’s Diana Themiscyra she’s the Hanna Montana of businesswomen, and when she’s Wonder Woman she’s Wonder Woman – which is precisely twice in the whole episode.
Is a capitalist.
Puts on her PJs for an ice-cream filled sleepover with best friend Myndi.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/02/...+%26+Rumors%29

**** this TV series, i'm outta here.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Guys, lets face it. Girls today dress worse than WW and PG combined. Adapting those suits in movies wont destroy society, we're only discussing WW's suit because we dont like it. Nobody said anything about Supergirl's trampy midriff because it looks pretty good and going by comics standards she's wearing enough clothing. The problem with WW isnt the exposed skin, its the fact that a rainbow vomitted all over her.

Some people including me also have a problem with her dressing in the American flag. Not just the colours, but literally taking the flag and wearing it, stars and all. Rationalize that however you like, bury yourself in nostagia, whatever... it'll never make sense or look good.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Exactly but there is a tightrope that female character especially super heroines have to walk on that is, of course unfair, but is very real.

Well, yeah, very true, but then you have to come down to compromising the material and all that stuff.

Though, I do also see it as kind of another complex issue regarding Wonder Woman's position, but that's another discussion and all that.

 

[Drz]

To quote the phrase from Han Solo "I've got a bad feeling about this."

Am i truly the only one who hopes for frequent singing scenes? t:

 

[Tron Bonne]

Probably. I wouldn't even mind them that much if she was singing some better songs, but most of the ones mentioned in the script seemed pretty crappy.

 

[Drz]

Thats true. Wonder Woman episodes need to have something jazzy or Frank Sinatra.

 

[Tron Bonne]

David Bowie

 

[Drz]

David Bowie

 

[Tron Bonne]

I really have no idea what that's suppose to convey but will take it as agreeing

 

[Paradox1]

My thoughts on wonder woman comic costume are the panties shorts whatever you call it are hideous. The stars don't bother me as much as they are underwear which is my biggest complaint. Don't get me wrong I hate all costumes that consist of underwear of shorts that includes batman and superman. Those costumes are not iconic but a nesscary evil that the government used to censor comic books. Then somehow after 40 years people think of this as the way they need to look.

 

[Primal Slayer]

DC just needs to be less afraid of modernizing their heroes like Marvel does, and they need to do it in a good way.

 

[Mr. Earle]

My thoughts on wonder woman comic costume are the panties shorts whatever you call it are hideous. The stars don't bother me as much as they are underwear which is my biggest complaint. Don't get me wrong I hate all costumes that consist of underwear of shorts that includes batman and superman. Those costumes are not iconic but a nesscary evil that the government used to censor comic books. Then somehow after 40 years people think of this as the way they need to look.

I dont get it. Superman wears a blue suit under those red panties. What censorship? Its not like he'd be flying around with his **** hanging out.