Comics Worst Continuity Ever! (CW#4 Spoilers)

[Kevin Roegele]

How can you clone Thor?

His powers are magic, they're not in his DNA.

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

If you've been reading some of the recent issues of FF, you'll see that a guy with the initials "DB" on his briefcase found the hammer, picked it up, and was struck by lightning.

My guess is that they didn't clone Thor, but Donald Blake. The same thing, really...

 

[Ultimate Kaine]

If you dont like them dont buy them. Change the way things are done and dont support it.

And no, its not easier said than done.

That's the stupidest internet argument against complaining about comics ever.

Ever.

Do the fans in the bleachers, when faced with their favorite baseball team failing over and over due to bad players, or bad performance, just stop going to the games? No, they stick around. Support them all they can. And if they want to call them pricks at the same time, that's fine too. Team's gotta lift their game.

 

[vegeta21]

I'm suspecting that there's someone manipulating Tony and Reed, causing them to act out of character. But maybe I'm just hopeful.

 

[vegeta21]

That's the stupidest internet argument against complaining about comics ever.

Ever.

Do the fans in the bleachers, when faced with their favorite baseball team failing over and over due to bad players, or bad performance, just stop going to the games? No, they stick around. Support them all they can. And if they want to call them pricks at the same time, that's fine too. Team's gotta lift their game.

Hey, boycotts helped return Peter Parker's status as the one true SPider-Man. As for me, I won't be boycotting anything. If I didn't boycott during the Byrne/Mackie reboot, I won't be boycotting this.

 

[CConn]

That's the stupidest internet argument against complaining about comics ever.

Ever.

Do the fans in the bleachers, when faced with their favorite baseball team failing over and over due to bad players, or bad performance, just stop going to the games?

Yes, they do.

A simple statement. Sales dictate everything. That's not my opinion. That's not a theory. That's straight out fact. In movies, music, comics, whatever, sales and moneymaking mean (nearly) everything. If you're here complaining just for the helluva and to worsen your health, fine by me, but if you actually think it's going to change anything, it isn't.

As long as Civil War is the top selling book every month it's released (which it is), as long as ASM is selling a ton of issues (which it is), Marvel isn't going to give a damn about whatever you, me or anyone here, is complaining about.

 

[Ultimate Kaine]

Turning it around on the comic reader and saying it's our fault basically because we continue to buy it is bull**** man. Do you blame the beaten wife who stays with her partner? 'Cause if she doesn't like it, she'd leave right?

Sounds like a far fetched analogy (and I love my analogies) but something can be said for the psychological effects of good/bad comics.

When a Spidey comic is going good, okay, we grow complacent. But when it's big and bad, we really get out there and buy them, because we don't want to believe they've ****ed up an icon. We go and buy each one and as sad and shocking as the truth may be, we hang in there, because maybe, just maybe, things will get better 'next issue'. Of course, like the mouse on the treadmill, we never get anywhere, or to this fabled better place. And I'd argue that the kind of writing and changes that are riling us up this way is partially a pre-determined specific ploy the creators are making, because it's not that they don't understand comic fans. It's that they do.

Bad movies continue to make money, bad comics will too. You can't just wave your hand and call for an upheavel in the way millions of comic consumers' brains work and you can't call for boycotts that don't in any way specify to the creators what we want (just what we don't want, which leads to more trial & error).

It's on them, man. It's all on the creators to fix things. It's their job. You can't hold me or fans responsible because of what's in our blood (Spider-man).

 

[CConn]

No no, I'm not saying it's our fault. It's theirs obviously. I'm simply saying the only way to effectively let them know what they're doing sucks is by affecting sales. As I said before, if you're complaining just to let off some steam, fine, but don't think making pissed off posts here will do a damn thing to change anything if you're still buying every issue.

 

[Cyclops]

They don't care about what we say here. Or on any internet site. In fact, Quesada's expressed distinct disdain for us.

If we say that what they're doing is wrong, they'll point to the sales chart and say "According to this, we're doing everything a-okay." Because that's all that matters to them.

 

[Ultimate Kaine]

No no, I'm not saying it's our fault. It's theirs obviously. I'm simply saying the only way to effectively let them know what they're doing sucks is by affecting sales. As I said before, if you're complaining just to let off some steam, fine, but don't think making pissed off posts here will do a damn thing to change anything if you're still buying every issue.

I ain't posting here all pissed off because I think it'll affect the comic. I'm posting here because I think this may be a place where there are fellow fans who feel the same way. If that's not the case, let me know and I'll be off.

If we say that what they're doing is wrong, they'll point to the sales chart and say "According to this, we're doing everything a-okay." Because that's all that matters to them.

Yeah, but be careful what you wish for. Low sales won't nessecarily affect positive change, it puts Spider-Man as a whole into jeapordy. Fans screamed for the clone saga to end, and once it did and they had Parker back, profits fell, to the point they cancelled Spidey titles and did the reboot which was arguably far worse. The comics need to be selling well so they can use some of that windfall money to poach some decent writers and artists.

But anyway, back on my beaten-path topic - I feel strongly enough about the clone saga, and Spider-Man's continuity enough to be rightly pissed off at Parker's forgetfulness/noobness in CIVIL WAR #4. That's all.

 

[CConn]

I ain't posting here all pissed off because I think it'll affect the comic. I'm posting here because I think this may be a place where there are fellow fans who feel the same way. If that's not the case, let me know and I'll be off.

Yeah, originally I wasn't quite sure what you were arguing against. If that's all it is, I don't disagree.

Granted, some people go way overboard, but that's another matter entirely.

 

[Rambo, John J]

Wow, what country do you live in? Soliders and cops go on trial all the time because of different crimes they commit. Look at the inquiry into 9/11 and the implications made agains the current and previous establihmnts. Rodney King, Ollie North, so on and so forth. Cops do not go around blowing people away for the fun of it. If they did, they would go on trial. Soliders can only kill and destroy of as an act of war. Which takes a congressional vote.

What I'm saying, is yeah it's cool action to watch in comic and/or on the big screen, but if they want to bring a slice of 'reality' into the comics with this super-human registration act, well then they need to be more indepth and realistic on both sides of the story. Which they have not been. Too many holes. CW 4 made the whole series go into the toilet.

It depends on how far one would like this series to reflect the 'real' world.

Lets face it, Marvel aren't going to be breaking any societal moulds here, they'll only be examining the implications of what happens insofar as it affects the immediate story. Thus far, from what we've all seen, the anti reg's are the 'criminals' and the pro regs the 'law'.

For Marvel to address the issue i.e. what is and isn't excessive force; or should Reed/ IM/ Clor be punished for any supposed breach of reasonable force; will go well beyond the immediate story. Doesn't mean such a story won't happen - in fact it could make for an interesting storyline in itself - but it won't happen in the CW series and if it does, at most, it'll be referenced once or twice and swept under the carpet.