Wrestling: The Action Soap Opera Thread - - Part 15

[BlackLantern]

that's just sad.....

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

Glad I'm not watching that PPV.

Anywho:

Wish this Kane/Bigshow and Corre fued would end. It's boring.

Sin Cara V DB was entertaining. Need more matches like this.
Kharma

 

[Heretic]

Another thing I hate is that Mick Foley...who in storyline is a representative from Spike TV...is calling shots at the PPV...which is NOT broadcast on Spike TV. Anyone with even an ounce of working brain would instantly know that Foley would have no business making rules at events not broadcast on his network.

 

[Wheels]

Another thing I hate is that Mick Foley...who in storyline is a representative from Spike TV...is calling shots at the PPV...which is NOT broadcast on Spike TV. Anyone with even an ounce of working brain would instantly know that Foley would have no business making rules at events not broadcast on his network.

I wish Foley had never signed with TNA. He should've stayed home and wrote more books.

 

[Heretic]

nah...TNA needs FOLEY because TNA knows that wrestling fans LOVE when shows revolve around backstage power struggles between non-wrestlers. This Hagan/Bischoff vs Foley thing is almost as exciting as Dixie Carter vs Hogan/Biscoff...or Jarrett vs Cornette...or the hundreds of other storylines they've had about non wrestlers trying to gain control of the company.

 

[StarkvsRogers]

What a terrible PPV... My Review to avoid spoilers in this thread.

http://henchmanforhire.com/2011/05/tna-sacrifice-2011/

 

[The Sage]

What a terrible PPV... My Review to avoid spoilers in this thread.

http://henchmanforhire.com/2011/05/tna-sacrifice-2011/

Solid review, but the PPV gets a....

 

[The Sage]

Not sure if anyone said this before, but Chyna debuted in TNA...ten years after leaving WWE. Probably not done on purpose, but funny.

 

[bullets]

I'm not saying it's not a craft to value. But if it didn't have the "entertainment", it wouldn't be anything close to as big as it is. Wrestlemania wouldn't be a million buy PPV. It'd be like martial arts displays. They aren't fights, but some people are into it because they do cool things.

Until I encountered the IWC, I never in my life, from childhood to adulthood, ever met a wrestling fan that didn't watch it for the "entertainment" first, and the wrestling 2nd. That includes people who were watching well before 1999 and the attitude era.

It's hard for me to say . I might of been more into the entertainment aspect when I was younger but it seems the past few years the promos and storylines haven't been nearly as good. Everything is nearly inconsequential. I'd like to see that improve though. Even the stupid stuff could be funny if they got better writers. Santino does crack me up sometimes.
I actually don't know many people outside the 'iwc' that watch wrestling or will admit to it. I do know a girl that watches just for John Cena though.. can't really have much of a conversation off that ..

 

[bullets]

Solid review, but the PPV gets a....

Yikes.I think I'll watch it on botchmania.

 

[Dr. Evil]

There was a PPV tonight?

 

[Lantern Venom]

nah...TNA needs FOLEY because TNA knows that wrestling fans LOVE when shows revolve around backstage power struggles between non-wrestlers. This Hagan/Bischoff vs Foley thing is almost as exciting as Dixie Carter vs Hogan/Biscoff...or Jarrett vs Cornette...or the hundreds of other storylines they've had about non wrestlers trying to gain control of the company.

Don't even get me started on that. It was innovative in 1998 with Vinny Mac vs. SCSA. Everthing since then has been a steady descent. I'd be overjoyed if WWE and TNA scapped all on-air authority figures. Wrestling made it for decades without them and it would improve without them now.

 

[Wheels]

You know what would be a fun experiment? Watch a PPV from WWF in 2000, and then watch a recent WWE or TNA PPV. Then compare them.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Sting beating RVD again.

 

[bullets]

You know what would be a fun experiment? Watch a PPV from WWF in 2000, and then watch a recent WWE or TNA PPV. Then compare them.

I do that all the time lol. I collect all the wwe ppvs I can on dvd

 

[Nemi]

I do that all the time lol. I collect all the wwe ppvs I can on dvd

So what's it like comparing two ppv's that are years apart?

 

[TX85]

The matches were overall pretty good But the look&feel of the ppv was way off and thus it was like an Impact episode even more than most tna ppvs!!

I thought all the right people won except Dreamer,The product will get worse and worse it seems and I bet only changes to the stage by next week will be new ring aprons&turnbuckle logos saying"Impact Wrestling"!!

The problem I had with Foley tonight the most was that he talked about"Wrestling means something here"during a long ring promo for a match that was not even next until a few matches latter!

 

[Wheels]

So what's it like comparing two ppv's that are years apart?

Yeah alot of people feel 2000 was the best year for WWF/E, especially the PPVs. So it's kind of interesting (and sad) when you compare them to today's.

 

[TX85]

why sad?,there different But sad??

 

[bullets]

So what's it like comparing two ppv's that are years apart?

The early 00's were very entertaining and there seemed to be a story around every match. I can't quite pinpoint it but its seems like the overall style of matches has changed somewhat. I think the ppvs of today are well produced and everything has a nice look but it's not as exciting.

 

[Wheels]

There's too many PPV matches today that are thrown together at the last minute. They don't give matches enough time, and there is alot of filler.

 

[Metallo]

Correction. The reason that Punk's been getting buried lately is because of his own decision to take time to step away from the WWE for a break. They're writing him out of the storyline.

Uh..I never said WHY Punk wasn't getting pushed so how can it be a correction? how was I wrong?

But just to play along...correction to your so called correction: Punk was getting buried BEFORE he ever thought about taking time off from WWE this year.

If was about taking time off why was he constantly buried during the SES gimmick and why did he seem to constantly be jobbing to Rey Mysterio? Same thing happened when he faced Taker. After a while he never seemed to get a leg up.

He's hardly ever REALLY gotten a solid and consistent Push from WWE even though he's always delivered on his end. And thats because he was an indy star in a company that enjoys beating down indie stars wills and he's never been one to play politics as much as most.

Anyone who made a name outside of WWE prepare to get taken down a peg because what you did elsewhere don't mean sh** to Vince. The only exception to that Rule has breen Flair and thats because Vince loved his showmanship and his similarities to his boyhood wrestling heroes.

 

[Metallo]

There's too many PPV matches today that are thrown together at the last minute. They don't give matches enough time, and there is alot of filler.

TNA is far to focused on tv at th expense of PPV's They need to use TV to hype and sell the PPV's more.

WWE still placed value on PPV's but they have the same problem as TNA only its not as severe.

The fact that WWE would give away The first ever match between Undertaker and Chris Jericho for FREE on network tv shows that they, like TNA, have inherited that same problem WCW had.

PPV's aren't as imprtant as they used to be. Thats where we saw the BIG matches. Now you can get PPV quality matches on Raw and the PPV matches are just slightly longer versions in an ongoing string of matches No wonder fewer and fewer people are buyign wrestling PPV's.

In UFC you HAVE to watch the big time fights oN PPV.

The early 00's were very entertaining and there seemed to be a story around every match. I can't quite pinpoint it but its seems like the overall style of matches has changed somewhat. I think the ppvs of today are well produced and everything has a nice look but it's not as exciting.

Yeah I agree. Ten years ago even midcard guys where over. Then Kaientia and Too Cool were getting a pop you know something was being done right. Everybody had something going on and people got promo time. Now WWE only caters to showcasing the to guys.

Don't even get me started on that. It was innovative in 1998 with Vinny Mac vs. SCSA. Everthing since then has been a steady descent. I'd be overjoyed if WWE and TNA scapped all on-air authority figures. Wrestling made it for decades without them and it would improve without them now.

I have to give Bischoff credit he was doing the evil authority figure before Vince McMahon ever decided to do it.

But yeah at this point its such a tired old concept thats been run into the ground. Right now Bischoff cuts a better promo than Vince because he's a NATURAL weisel (Vince can only pull it off when he's motivated..like against Bret Hart) but otherwise Vince's heel promos aren't NEARLY as good as they were in from 97-2001. He was such an entertainer on the mic then.

Bischoff needs to step back from his on are role and Vince needs to step away all together.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Uh..I never said WHY Punk wasn't getting pushed so how can it be a correction? how was I wrong?

But just to play along...correction to your so called correction: Punk was getting buried BEFORE he ever thought about taking time off from WWE this year.

If was about taking time off why was he constantly buried during the SES gimmick and why did he seem to constantly be jobbing to Rey Mysterio? Same thing happened when he faced Taker. After a while he never seemed to get a leg up.

He's hardly ever REALLY gotten a solid and consistent Push from WWE even though he's always delivered on his end. And thats because he was an indy star in a company that enjoys beating down indie stars wills and he's never been one to play politics as much as most.

Anyone who made a name outside of WWE prepare to get taken down a peg because what you did elsewhere don't mean sh** to Vince. The only exception to that Rule has breen Flair and thats because Vince loved his showmanship and his similarities to his boyhood wrestling heroes.

Wait, so you have a crystal ball? You've sat in a board room with Vince McMahon and had conversations with you about this? Vince has told you personally that this is why CM Punk hasn't had a consistent push?

Or is it just yet another IWC conspiracy because they need to try to justify in their minds why a guy they like isn't getting pushed the way they think he should be?

I have not met one single wrestling fan outside of this forum that thinks CM Punk deserves any more than he has gotten. This is from people who *like* CM Punk and think he's a great heel. CM Punk IS a great heel. But he's not the *whole package* by WWE standards.

He's not larger than life. He's not a spectacle. He's as, Gotham stated earlier, a guy who comes out and wrestles. And yes he can cut a good promo also. But he's not the "whole package" and that's why he hasn't gotten a consistent push.

 

[Metallo]

Wait, so you have a crystal ball? You've sat in a board room with Vince McMahon and had conversations with you about this? Vince has told you personally that this is why CM Punk hasn't had a consistent push?

No unlike you I don't need a Crystal ball. I've been watching long enough to see McMahons pattern of behavior and LISTEN to the people that have worked for him,. Maybe this is a big shock for you but sometimes I like to read and listen to what people it the business who HAVE worked for WWE have to say instead of being a WWE cheerleader all the time and accept anything they spoon feed me.

When Bret hart is criticizing WWE creative is it a conspiracy theory? Thats so f*** stupid of you to say something like that to insult someone and label them with that IWC tag. Once again YOU do what you accuse other people iof doing. I guess BRET is a part of the IWC conspiracy theory club too.

Or is it just yet another IWC conspiracy because they need to try to justify in their minds why a guy they like isn't getting pushed the way they think he should be?

How the f*** is it a conspiracy theory when people have WORKED with McMahon have talked openly about what Vince likes and what he doesn't and his views on wrestlers and the business. Everything is not a goddamn conspiracy theory where you jump on the IWC and criticize them.

Or are you gonna sit here and tell me JJ Dillon, Dave Lagana, Kevin Kelly, and Bruce Prichard are in on the conspiracy theory too?

I have not met one single wrestling fan outside of this forum that thinks CM Punk deserves any more than he has gotten. This is from people who *like* CM Punk and think he's a great heel. CM Punk IS a great heel. But he's not the *whole package* by WWE standards.

WWE standards is someone who will kiss their a**. Thats all it takes. The Miz damn sure aint the whole package but he's getting the push probably because he plays the game.

He's not larger than life. He's not a spectacle. He's as, Gotham stated earlier, a guy who comes out and wrestles. And yes he can cut a good promo also. But he's not the "whole package" and that's why he hasn't gotten a consistent push.

He's not larger than life because YOU say so? didn't realize you were the end all be all one again doing what you accuse others of doing. I guess you better tell a lot of those people in those crowds that Punks not larger than life.

Lots of guys aren't "whole packages" that got better pushes than Punk.

When Steve Austin says Punk has IT I guess Austin is lying too right? or he's stupid and he doesn't know what he's talking about. Maybe you should sit Steve Austin down and teach him since he doesn't know what he's talkign about.