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TheVileOne said:
How interesting it is that its only against HHH that Cena's opponent is given a strong and dissecting promo over Cena, making Cena look like a chump.

This is how much Cena sucks, its made smart and marks a like want to see HHH of all people beat him for the world title. Then what happens? World title is back in the void of HHH's terror once again.

Well HHH has stayed away from the title picture and his feuds haven't hogged any significant main event spot. So I give him credit for staying away and not hogging any air time.

The problem is they screwed it up with Edge, Angle, and Jericho by having Cena Superman his way through them and making them look weak. You mean to tell me Angle can beat Mark Henry and the Undertaker, but couldn't make Cena tap out or beat him at all? That was just plain horrible booking.

At least HHH has been entertaining since being away from the title picture.

However at this point, I'm just tired and bored of Cena. If Cena "Supermans" his way to beating HHH and HHH puts him over, yet at the same time he wouldn't put over Jericho, RVD, Kane, or Booker T? Then I'll throw the biggest fit and throw my remote at the television.

Cena wouldn't be in the position he's in if he hadn't whined, pouted, and threw a fit after losing the title to Edge. Maybe if he took it with stride and moved on to become a better wrestler and character, then perhaps the fans and people backstage would take him seriously.
 
TheVileOne said:
How interesting it is that its only against HHH that Cena's opponent is given a strong and dissecting promo over Cena, making Cena look like a chump.

This is how much Cena sucks, its made smart and marks a like want to see HHH of all people beat him for the world title. Then what happens? World title is back in the void of HHH's terror once again.

Look at this analagy: I was watching Real Time with Bill Mahar. They talked about how Iraq is about to have a civil war. In which Mahar stated "I know our Gov. says 'at least it's better without Saddam in power' & no it's worse... He's a tyranical, genecidal dictator, but he held that place together."

Yes what HHH is doing is for ego. Yes, it's wrong for him to have that control. But bottom line, we're not executives. We're wrestling fans who want a main event... & HHH is a main event.
 
LastSunrise1981 said:
Well HHH has stayed away from the title picture and his feuds haven't hogged any significant main event spot. So I give him credit for staying away and not hogging any air time.

LastSunrise1981, what you fail to recognize is that EVERY year, HHH pretty much gets a guaranteed main event or world title match at Wrestlemania. There is something wrong with that. Its called nepotism.

As for not hogging air time, when he's not taking his vacations, he's still on the air just as much as when he's world champion.

The problem is they screwed it up with Edge, Angle, and Jericho by having Cena Superman his way through them and making them look weak. You mean to tell me Angle can beat Mark Henry and the Undertaker, but couldn't make Cena tap out or beat him at all? That was just plain horrible booking.

Here's the thing. Because their failure with Angle/Cena and Batista's injury, they made Angle a face because fans wouldn't stop cheering him and gave him Batista's spot on Smackdown. Angle was supposed to be a heel against Cena. But the fans turning on him was inevitable. WWE tried to stop it by making Angle the new Muhammed Hassan, which as you can see failed miserably as well.

Also the problem isn't that Cena made them look weak, its that Cena looked weak stacked up against them. Re-watch some of those matches. Cena really does NOTHING in them. He's pretty much carried through them by guys like Jericho, Cena then wins the match with some weak and pitiful looking offense. Cena is in other words not believable or competent in the ring as a face world champion. Fans resented that Cena, who is such a weak wrestler compared to a Jericho, Angle, or even Christian (which never took off) and that those guys were doing all the work and Cena wasn't doing much of anything except...FIVE KNUCKLE SHUFFLE ...and FU. Jericho said the reason they dropped Christian/Cena was because if they actually went through with it, the fans would've been totally behind Christian and not Cena.

At least HHH has been entertaining since being away from the title picture.

Eh...that feud with Show, been there done that, same promos crap over and over again.

However at this point, I'm just tired and bored of Cena. If Cena "Supermans" his way to beating HHH and HHH puts him over, yet at the same time he wouldn't put over Jericho, RVD, Kane, or Booker T? Then I'll throw the biggest fit and throw my remote at the television.

Its not going to happen. The world title is going back to HHH on April Fool's Day. The ironic thing is that the internet and mark fans hate Cena so much they are willing to accept the nightmare of HHH as world champ again. I for one don't accept either and that's why I don't watch WWE.

Cena wouldn't be in the position he's in if he hadn't whined, pouted, and threw a fit after losing the title to Edge. Maybe if he took it with stride and moved on to become a better wrestler and character, then perhaps the fans and people backstage would take him seriously.

I don't think that's true. I'm not sure where that came from. I get the feeling that the plan was always to do HHH vs. Cena at Mania. The hiccup with Edge I believe was a last ditch effort to revive Cena's face heat. Why? Because the fans HATED Edge during that whole Matt Hardy mess. So they figure, let's put the title on Edge for a bit and see if that rebuilds and reinvigorates Cena...and obviously it hasn't. The fans are still turning on him even more.

Just saying, I get the feeling that Cena dropped the title knowing full well he'd get it back 3 weeks later.
 
TheVileOne said:
I don't think that's true. I'm not sure where that came from. I get the feeling that the plan was always to do HHH vs. Cena at Mania. The hiccup with Edge I believe was a last ditch effort to revive Cena's face heat. Why? Because the fans HATED Edge during that whole Matt Hardy mess. So they figure, let's put the title on Edge for a bit and see if that rebuilds and reinvigorates Cena...and obviously it hasn't. The fans are still turning on him even more.

Just saying, I get the feeling that Cena dropped the title knowing full well he'd get it back 3 weeks later.
The rest isn't really worth replying to...but according to Insider reports, Cena was asking around backstage (most likely to the bookers) during the Raw after New Years Revolution when he was going to get the belt back. They also said he was upset about it, and asked several times. He dropped the title, but then he realised how much he loved having it, despite the negative fan reaction that came with it.
 
hunter rider said:
It's funny im no fan of Cena but i feel sorry for him,he didn't ask for this push nor did he ask to be neutered to the point he is a bland bluechip face,
HHH is doing something here that is pleasing ppl that are down on Cena but the reason he is doing it is to stroke his own ego by burying another guy,just like he buried Orton and just like he buried Edge and isn't it quite noticeable that the guys who always seem to keep in good spots and get put over by him are his buddies Flair and Shawn ?

Totally agree with you on all accounts.
 
Question how can Cena say Triple H never beat him when I remember when he was first starting out before the rapping Tiple H beat the crap out of him.
 
Well, I do have to say that I do like Cena, but like everybody else, his gimmick is starting to get old right now. His in-ring skills are obviously not good. He should do a heel turn and move on from their to try and get fan support back.

On another note, WrestleMania 22 is shaping up to be a decent card.

World Heavyweight Title
Rey Mysterio Vs. Orton Vs. Angle

WWE Title
Cena Vs. HHH

Money in the Bank II
RVD Vs. Ric Flair Vs. Shelton Benjamin

Vince McMahon Vs. Shawn Michaels

Hardcore Match
Mick Foley Vs. Edge

JBL Vs. Chris Benoit

Undertaker Vs. Mark Henry

All of this and the card doesn't have Kane, Booker T, Big Show, Carlito, Crusierweights, Tag Titles, Interpromotional matches, or anything like that. And before people wree saying how crappy it looked. It looks pretty damn good to me.
 
Orton I think will win WHC
HHH will win WWE Title
RVD will win MITBII
HBK will beat Vince
Edge over Foley
JBL over Benoit
Undertaker over Henry

4 of these matches are confirmed, the others will probably happen. There will be more added I'm sure. If these are some of the matches I think they will be the winners.
 
World Heavyweight Title
Rey Mysterio Vs. Orton Vs. Angle
Winner: Rey Mysterio

WWE Title
Cena Vs. HHH
Winner: Cena (though,if the crowd keeps up like this,who knows?)


Money in the Bank II
RVD Vs. Ric Flair Vs. Shelton Benjamin
Winner: Are they the only ones in it? For now I'll say RVD.

Vince McMahon Vs. Shawn Michaels
Winner:Shawn (this match will still suck though)

Hardcore Match
Mick Foley Vs. Edge
Winner: Edge

JBL Vs. Chris Benoit
Winner: Chris Benoit

Undertaker Vs. Mark Henry
Winner: Undertaker
 
Sabretooth said:
World Heavyweight Title
Rey Mysterio Vs. Orton Vs. Angle
Winner: Rey Mysterio

WWE Title
Cena Vs. HHH
Winner: Cena (though,if the crowd keeps up like this,who knows?)


Money in the Bank II
RVD Vs. Ric Flair Vs. Shelton Benjamin
Winner: Are they the only ones in it? For now I'll say RVD.

Vince McMahon Vs. Shawn Michaels
Winner:Shawn (this match will still suck though)

Hardcore Match
Mick Foley Vs. Edge
Winner: Edge

JBL Vs. Chris Benoit
Winner: Chris Benoit

Undertaker Vs. Mark Henry
Winner: Undertaker

I have a feeling they will somehow involve Bret Hart in the Vince vs Shawn match.
As a guest referee or just coming in and "screwing" the match for one of them.
 
That Wrestlemania card really looks like ass. 1 or 2 matches might be good, but outside of that...yuck.
 
TheVileOne said:
That Wrestlemania card really looks like ass. 1 or 2 matches might be good, but outside of that...yuck.

The only decent matches are: Angle VS. Mysterio VS. Orton and MITB2, JBL VS. Benoit.

*Edge VS. Foley = Another Foley bumpfest

*Triple H VS. Cena = Barf

*Vince VS. HBK = could be the surprise of the night if Bret gets involved somehow. Still, Marty Janetty fighting for Vince would've been alot better. Bottom line: half barf.

*Undertaker VS Mark Henry = Mega barf

IMO this is the worse Wrestlemania since Wrestlemania 7.
 
Benoit and JBL have wrestled several times before. None of the matches were anything of note.

Its probably just going to be an easy win and another title, feather in the hat for JBL as payback for getting squashed by the Boogeyman at Rumble.
 
The WM22 card is bad no doubt,the SD side makes sense completely and should deliver good matches but the RAW side is just crazy booking

HHH vs Cena-pure suicidal booking

Foley vs Edge-emotion and big bumps,could steal the show

MITB 2-undermines Edge by taking his best hardcore prop and putting it in another match on the same show,also Flair being in is bizarre

Shawn vs Vince-absolute ego driven garbage that also doesn't have the standard cover up option of making it a street fight due to the Edge/Foley match
 
I have this horrible feeling JBL is going to win just so he can be another GRAND SLAM champion for WWE.
 
I think that JBL has to win against Benoit, if not then Smackdown will have no real BIG TIME HEEL characters on there show with a great reputation. Now I am not saying I want JBL to win, but I think he will win for that very reason.
 
I wonder who SD can put in MITB, or if maybe there will be more Raw guys. I mean, who else would be available from SD for the match? Lashley? Booker T? Matt Hardy? Just throwing some names out there. If they go with ladder match again, the best guys they would have for that will either be in tag team or cruiserweight matches (mostly the Mexicools).

Maybe there will be a Kane/Big Show vs. Carlito/Masters tag title match. Maybe an MNM vs. Mexicools or London/Kendrick. Or maybe they will go through with a unification match, with maybe Masters or someone running in and costing Show/Kane the belts.

I'd love to see a lot of cruiserweights wrestle at WM22 and actually be able to put on a show. Maybe have the MITB2 match be some kind of elimination deal, then let the cruiserweights have a ladder match with like 4 guys going for the title. Let Helms, Kid Kash, one of the Mexicools and someone else go at it.
 
I think Psicosis and Super Crazy still call themselves the Mexicools, despite lacking Juventud as their "leader".
 
ah, I haven't seen a whole SD broadcast in a while.

Well, maybe Psicosis and Super Crazy could be in a tag match while Juventud could be going for the CW title.
 
juventud no longer works for the wwe as i understand it
 
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