Wrestling

[Hunter Rider]

Yes and no. I think Batista is great as champ simply because of the whole "animal" angle he's got going for him. It's nice to see a champ that can simply destroy his opponents (like he did with Orton) rather than get his ass kicked only to come back ontop....that's the angle that Austin created, they need a new one.

I actually liked Benoit as champ and I felt he was totally raped of a long title run. If anyone in the WWE deserves the title it's sure as hell him, look at the performance he put on at WM and that wasn't for any belt...it just shows you the dedication.

I would also like to see another Jericho title run but due to his size I doubt that's going to happen anytime soon. At least he's secured his spot in history as the first Undisputed Champion...no one can take that from him.

Edge has pretty much screwed himself out of any push that he was in line for with the whole Matt/Lita thing. I heard the the WWE looks down on mixing business with pleasure, especially when it's behind a fellow worker's back....not to mention he's a complete scumbag for doing it.

I REALLY hope HHH takes a break from the title run for awhile. It seems like he's always got the belt and it's nothing but a game of who can take it from him...he's headlined how many Wrestlemania's?? at least the last 3. I actually wouldn't mine seeing the Orton/Batista angle develop into a feud for the title. Orton could continue the "I was the future of Evolution" thing feeling like he was the rightful person to take that belt off of HHH, not Batista. Guys like Orton and Batista are the future of wrestling, and if the WWE ever wants to see the future they'd better start making new storylines with new characters rather than having a game of "keep away" with the title from HHH....it's getting REALLY old now.

Oh and one more thing.....bring back AUSTIN! NO ONE can do it like the Rattlesnake, he made wrestling what it is today.

Well for me Batista is good but i like a bit more in ring skill and he is still very green and can be clumsy.I agree with you on Benoit and Y2j i want to see great wrestlers as champions rather than just the guy who is popular.
As for Austin i enjoyed him 97-2000 but his repeated "im unbeatable" glory hogging late on got on my nerves along with the punch-kick-punch style matches.I would like to see him make some guest appearences but not regularly

 

[John Constantine]

yeah i was thinking it'll be summerslam before Edge gets his shot,i was suprised they had Benoit beat him especially with the one arm angle,I'm expecting a feud between the 2 for a couple of months to get Edge ready for Batista.As for there runs as champion i think if Batista has the right opponents he can be a decent champ nut Cena just doesnt convince me and the SD roster apart from angle doesn't IMO have the talent to really bring more out of him.Somewhere though wwe have to start pushing shelton and get Orton back on track,his lame-ass job to batista just devalued him more,This break for his shoulder surgery is pronbably a good thing for him

Well there's always Eddie Guerrero, who's been teasing a heel turn for the past few weeks. I could just imagine how interesting a Guerrero-Cena match could possibly be.

I do agree that Orton has been very devalued. Particularly this past week. Losing to the Undertaker and then getting embarrassed by Batista just didn't look that good. That's why I would've preferred it if Orton would've gone over the Undertaker at WM. That way, Orton does get a victory over a legitimate legend and it will totally bring Orton back to Legend Killer status. Plus, despite the one loss, Undertaker could still get away with saying that he's at least won 12 consecutive Wrestlemania appearances.

But I am hoping for a return of RNN.....

 

[Hunter Rider]

Well there's always Eddie Guerrero, who's been teasing a heel turn for the past few weeks. I could just imagine how interesting a Guerrero-Cena match could possibly be.

I do agree that Orton has been very devalued. Particularly this past week. Losing to the Undertaker and then getting embarrassed by Batista just didn't look that good. That's why I would've preferred it if Orton would've gone over the Undertaker at WM. That way, Orton does get a victory over a legitimate legend and it will totally bring Orton back to Legend Killer status. Plus, despite the one loss, Undertaker could still get away with saying that he's at least won 12 consecutive Wrestlemania appearances.

But I am hoping for a return of RNN.....

I'd forgotten about Eddie's heel turn ,now that could be something,Eddie could bring more out of cena i think.He really needs to get a win over Rey first though,i wonder exactly how far there planning to push Rey ?
I know what you mean about Randy/Taker but i think the reason he didn't win was b/c he is taking time off for shoulder surgery,his total punking by batista though was just dumb on WWE's part,its the sort of squash they do on a big star who is leaving the company not a talented young star who is the future of the buisness.

RNN

 

[Sabretooth]

RNN?

 

[John Constantine]

RNN was basically a segment involving Randy Orton during his initial heel turn. He frequently went on during inopportune times saying stuff like "My shoulder is currently at 85/90/75 percent" and "thanked" the fans for sending Get Well letters. It was what basically gave Orton a personality because before that he was a pretty generic face.

 

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Well for me Batista is good but i like a bit more in ring skill and he is still very green and can be clumsy.I agree with you on Benoit and Y2j i want to see great wrestlers as champions rather than just the guy who is popular.
As for Austin i enjoyed him 97-2000 but his repeated "im unbeatable" glory hogging late on got on my nerves along with the punch-kick-punch style matches.I would like to see him make some guest appearences but not regularly

That's Austin's style....it's like saying you don't like Benoits technical style, that's what makes the wrestler. Austin never had an unbeatable angle going for him, last time he was at a Wrestlemania The Rock got the clean victory over him. Goldberg was the one that had a problem with someone beating him, Austin has been beaten many times, his whole angle was refusing to back down from anyone and spitting in the face of authority (McMahon).

Batista is green but they all are when they first start out. Hopefully Batista will work extra hard since he's now "the man". I read a story about him watching the tape from WM21 studying what he did wrong during the post WM21 party....it looks like he's focused on what he needs to improve with himself which is good.

Like I always say, wrestling will NEVER be as good as the days of Austin VS McMahon. That was the single greatest storyline in WWF/WWE history, it's just a shame it's been copied by so many other characters (The Rock copied it almost to a tee)....Austin is the original bad ass, no one will ever be able to copy him or his style.

Just like there will never be another Hulk Hogan, there will never be another Austin.

 

[3dman27]

Only saw a bit of RAW last night. Seems that Wrestling is losing it's appeal to me.

maybe i can help
when i start to get tired of wrestling i skip watching it for a couple of weeks so i dont burn out on it then i come back

 

[angelus777]

I'm I the only one here who likes the ROCK, everyones sees him as overratted. dont think so, hes just as good if not better than Austin. Rock was more of an entertainer rather than having the cliche of i'm kicking your ass and taking the title that everyone does. Austin was good at promos but mediore in the ring, rock was good at both similar to Hogan.

 

[3dman27]

anybody see raw lastnite..favorite part ...when.trish kicked the holy hell outta christy.I was saying"just dont get involved lita, dont do it..this is the perfect time for lita to turn heel"blame christy for the pain and suffering shes been gettin lately..woot

maybe the wwe should send lita to smackdown or restrict her to heat or velocity

 

[Hunter Rider]

That's Austin's style....it's like saying you don't like Benoits technical style, that's what makes the wrestler. Austin never had an unbeatable angle going for him, last time he was at a Wrestlemania The Rock got the clean victory over him. Goldberg was the one that had a problem with someone beating him, Austin has been beaten many times, his whole angle was refusing to back down from anyone and spitting in the face of authority (McMahon).

Batista is green but they all are when they first start out. Hopefully Batista will work extra hard since he's now "the man". I read a story about him watching the tape from WM21 studying what he did wrong during the post WM21 party....it looks like he's focused on what he needs to improve with himself which is good.

well in his earlier days in WCW Austin could actually wrestle his matches with Steamboat and tag macthes with Brian Pillman against the Horseman were excellent.When he entered WWE they created the "rebel"character and it was fun for a period,in that time he put on some classics with Bret,Rock,Taker and Foley,but in his last run he was slow cumbersome and the matches lacked any real wrestling,its not the same as saying i don't like Benoits technical style as i enjoyed Austin initially as i said but the multiple injuries he has sustained to neck and both knees has severly limited what he can do thus making his matches repetetive punch ups.He did lose to the Rock at Mania 19 but i rember WM 17 where he changed the finish in the ring cos he didnt want ot lose in texas and vince had to come out to calm things down,there were also many occasions where he couldve lost to middle guys at the time like Benoit and Y2j that he wouldnt lose to and put them over in the way other champs have.I agree though there'll never be another 1 like him he is in the elite like Hogan,HBK,Taker and Foley IMO.As for Batista i like him i hope he can make something from this oppertunity.

 

[kane9321]

maybe the wwe should send her to smackdown or restrict her to heat or velocity

If you mean "christy" than yes velocity or heat would be great for her..she doesnt belong in the"raw" ring right now...wheres my "victoria"?I havent seen her on raw for some time now..she needs to get the woman's divsion going again..I'm sick of trish....Booker T should be the smackdown champion,if anybody is overlooked in the wwe its the "booker man".You dont become 5x wcw champion for nothing.."I'm like damn,when is booker gonna get his shot".Instead you got john cena as champion..makes no sense whatsoever!

 

[3dman27]

as you can see by my corrected post i meant lita

 

[0neDisturbedSOB]

His injuries have slowed him down, but during his run as the #1 guy there was NOTHING like watching Austin wrestle. Austin's style is that of any guy you'd find in a bar room brawl. It's not likely that you'd see 2 guys fighting in a bar and see one of them break out with technical movies....it's about beating down the other guy, that's Austin.

The difference between Austin and Rock is that Austin revolutionized WRESTLING, while Rock simply set the standard for cutting promos....he really didn't do anything to change the face of wrestling like Austin did, infact he copied MANY of Austin's storylines which really didn't work for him...The Rock is better as a heel.

The Rock was a character, Austin was an attitude....he will go down in history right next to Hogan as the 2 guys that single handedly changed the way wrestling/storylines are done.

 

[Hunter Rider]

well its clear your a big Austin fan and i can respect that.For me His "style" got old fast,we all know wrestling is a work and to me throwing pulled punches and kicks in bar room brawl matches doesnt take much skill,as i stated before i like to see actual wrestling in matches not just fighting.There's no denying him and Hulk are the 2 biggest stars the buissness has ever seen and defined 2 eras of wrestling but to me they will always be well,short of Ric Flair and HBK when it comes to actual wrestling greatness

 

[kane9321]

as you can see by my corrected post i meant lita

aww damn,I thought u meant christy..lol.Well lita "does" belong on raw,as she's one of the best female wrestlers on the roster period!What I'm saying is she shouldnt be out there with christy in her "valet/manager"role,that leg of hers will attract all kinds of beatdowns...ie this past raw(even though she deserves it for cheating on matt)

 

[3dman27]

aww damn,I thought u meant christy..lol.Well lita "does" belong on raw,as she's one of the best female wrestlers on the roster period!What I'm saying is she shouldnt be out there with christy in her "valet/manager"role,that leg of hers will attract all kinds of beatdowns...ie this past raw(even though she deserves it for cheating on matt)

i know lita deserves it i also think she should be DEMOTED to either heat smackdown or velocity and now i know HOW when the wwe goes to a draft lottery storylinelit can be shipped off to smackdown or maybe edge can end up there and learn thathis "anytime thisyear championship match contract "DOES NOT APPLY TO SMACKDOWN only raw

 

[0neDisturbedSOB]

well its clear your a big Austin fan and i can respect that.For me His "style" got old fast,we all know wrestling is a work and to me throwing pulled punches and kicks in bar room brawl matches doesnt take much skill,as i stated before i like to see actual wrestling in matches not just fighting.There's no denying him and Hulk are the 2 biggest stars the buissness has ever seen and defined 2 eras of wrestling but to me they will always be well,short of Ric Flair and HBK when it comes to actual wrestling greatness

It's that obvious that I like Austin huh?

I can see your point about WRESTLING. When He became "Stone Cold" from being the "Ringmaster" his style changed to fit his new persona. Each wrestler has their own style, HBK is a technical guy, Batista uses his power, and Austin is a straight brawler....to me it's like comparing apples and oranges.

but oh well....

 

[Sabretooth]

Anybody else feel that these rematches are seriously unnessacery?Cena vs. JBL? HHH vs. Batista? Angle vs. HBK?

 

[Hunter Rider]

It's that obvious that I like Austin huh?

I can see your point about WRESTLING. When He became "Stone Cold" from being the "Ringmaster" his style changed to fit his new persona. Each wrestler has their own style, HBK is a technical guy, Batista uses his power, and Austin is a straight brawler....to me it's like comparing apples and oranges.

but oh well....

I guess we just like a different style of wrestler as i said i enjoyed is 97-200 run just not the last run when he'd had more neck problems and 2 bad knees
I hope to see him on raw in a special guest capacity now and again to raise a little hell though

 

[Hunter Rider]

Anybody else feel that these rematches are seriously unnessacery?Cena vs. JBL? HHH vs. Batista? Angle vs. HBK?

I think the JBL/Cena one is pointless as there first was crap,as for Batista and HH i think the angle was just 2 big for it to be a one match deal,hopefully Batista wins again and maybe the stipulation is HHH has to move to SD.
But HBK vs Angle was a classic i'm love a rematch so Shawn can get 1 back

 

[The Undertaker]

I'm I the only one here who likes the ROCK, everyones sees him as overratted. dont think so, hes just as good if not better than Austin. Rock was more of an entertainer rather than having the cliche of i'm kicking your ass and taking the title that everyone does. Austin was good at promos but mediore in the ring, rock was good at both similar to Hogan.

I disagree, I think Austin was leaps and bounds better than the Rock when it came to the ring skills. I'll give credit where credit is due.. The Rock is amazing at cutting brilliant promo's and he most certainly did come off just as his moniker described him, "electrifying". But but but, Austin did revolutionize wrestling as someone here said, he made it what it is today. Plus, nobody can tell me Austin is a so-so wrestler after seeing his match on Raw with Chris Benoit a few years ago. Benoit came out challenging anybody from the back to a 'wrestling match'.. a type of match Benoit felt was not being used often. Austin accepted and I think gave the performance of his life. He showed he could truely go toe to toe with probably one the worlds greatest technical wrestlers. Rock.. well, I haven't really seen that much of an outstanding performance from him. He is definitely what you call mediocre. I have absolutely nothing to say to that 'Hogan being good in the ring' remark. Hogan is a mess in the ring. Probably has one of the worst mat skills I have ever seen. He's an amazing entertainer but great wrestler he is not.

 

[Shifty]

I think the JBL/Cena one is pointless as there first was crap,as for Batista and HH i think the angle was just 2 big for it to be a one match deal,hopefully Batista wins again and maybe the stipulation is HHH has to move to SD.
But HBK vs Angle was a classic i'm love a rematch so Shawn can get 1 back

Well since the quality of the Cena/JBL match was partially due to cutting the match down due to time they should get a match to atleast get a chance to put on respectable (not great) match.

HBK/Angle rematch they would be stupid not to. A rematch that fans want to actually see. HHH/Batista, the HHH character always has his 'rematch' at a PPV when he loses the title. HBK 2 out of 3 falls, 2 matches with Goldberg, Benoit in the triple threat rematch, then later a Iron Man match (yes it was on RAW) and killing Orton's character at Unforgiven. And rematches he has when he retains the title are on RAW.

 

[GLfan]

WWE releasing DVD's!!!!!!!

"Road Warriors - Life & Death Of The Most Dominate Team" is scheduled to be released on June 14, 2005. It will be two disks. Also, WWE will be releasing a DVD that same day looking back at 80's wrestling stars. It is called "WWE: Greatest Wrestling Stars Of The 80's" and it will be three disks.

The Wrestlemania XXI DVD will be released on May 10, 2005. It will be 3 disks. I'm bringing this up because the Hall of Fame ceremony will be included on that DVD, rather than WWE releasing a DVD just about the Hall of Fame like last year. The DVD on the 80's stars should help fill the void though.

And lastly for English wrestling fans, Silvervision.co.uk has some new Tagged Classics coming out of old WWF PPVs. They are Royal Rumbles 1993 + 1994, King of the Ring 1995 + 1996 and Survivor Series 1989 + 1990. Unfortunately, they are only available to people living in the UK as Silvervision doesn't ship overseas. WWE has never revealed the reason as to why they don't release these DVDs in the USA.

 

[kakashi]

I stopped watching wrestling not long after the end of the 'attitude era'. I felt that WWE lost their edge after aquiring WCW and losing some of it's top stars.

Last night i watched WM 21 and i must say that i was pleasantly surprised.It was a very good WM in my opinion.

Personally, i think that the best match on the card was Orton vs the undertaker,the match between HBK and Kurt Angle was also very good,but Shawn goofy facial expressions and his over acting ruined some of the match intense moments in my opinion.

Always been a huge Austin fan and seeing him in the same ring with Piper was too cool for words.I was dissapointed that the segment between the two only lasted for a couple of minutes.

I'm pretty neutral about Triple H and Batista.I can see why people likes Batista.The angle with him reminded me of when Austin first starting to became popular in the WWE. Kind of like suddenly seeing Cllint Eastwood type character in a Disney world.

If things continue to be this good on WWE, i think i might start watching their show on a regular basis again.

 

[GLfan]

I loved it when Hogan saved Eugene!