You gotta love California. Not really though

[War Lord]

http://today.reuters.com/news/artic...KOC_0_US-ENVIRONMENT-AUTOS.xml&src=rss&rpc=23

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California filed a global warming lawsuit on Wednesday against Ford Motor Co., General Motors Corp., Toyota Motor Corp. and three other automakers, charging that greenhouse gases from their vehicles have cost the state millions of dollars.

State Attorney General Bill Lockyer said the lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in Northern California was the first of its kind to seek to hold manufacturers liable for the damages caused by their vehicles' emissions.

The lawsuit also names Chrysler Motors Corp., the U.S. arm of Germany's DaimlerChrysler, and the North American units of Honda Motor Co. and Nissan Motor Co. Ltd..

It also charges that vehicle emissions have contributed significantly to global warming and harmed the resources, infrastructure and environmental health of the most populous state in the United States.



Lockyer, a Democrat, said the complaint states that under federal and state common law the automakers have created a public nuisance by producing "millions of vehicles that collectively emit massive quantities of carbon dioxide."

Carbon dioxide emissions and other greenhouse gases have been linked to global warming.

The lawsuit comes after California passed legislation supported by Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger that requires the state to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases by 25 percent by 2020. California was the first state to mandate reduction of greenhouse gases.

California has also issued rules to force automakers to cut tailpipe emissions from cars and trucks. Enforcement of those rules is being delayed by litigation from automakers.

I wonder if the car companies might stop selling cars there if the settlement is large enough?

 

[KingOfDreams]

California has the greatest environmental protections of any state. In the long run, I think that's a good thing.

 

[War Lord]

California has the greatest environmental protections of any state. In the long run, I think that's a good thing.

In the long run, they're going to force people to walk and piss them off.

 

[The Riddler]

california, ftw.

 

[bored]

In the long run, they're going to force people to walk and piss them off.

Maybe Segways can become practical after all!

 

[War Lord]

Maybe Segways can become practical after all!

Only if you're going a few blocks. At 8 mph, anything more than 4 miles away is totally impracticle.

 

[bored]

Only if you're going a few blocks. At 8 mph, anything more than 4 miles away is totally impracticle.

And I was kidding.

 

[War Lord]

And I was kidding.

My apologies. I mistook you for a nuthouse like KD.

 

[bored]

"Nuthouse". That sounds fun.

 

[Dew k. Mosi]

I hope this does reduce car sales. That would be awesome. There are too many *******s on the road as it is. Just yesterday, when I was walking to work (it's a block away) I was crossing the intersection (I had the green) and some idiot on a cell decided to make an illegal u-turn which made me stumble backwards. I caught the edge of my flip flop on the curb and it broke, so I fell, bruised a strip across my thigh, and had to work at the comic shop barefoot because my shoe was broken.

 

[maxwell's demon]

In the long run, they're going to force people to walk and piss them off.

in the long run- you are a small, small man who thinks small, small thoughts.


also this is true in the short run.


also, the middle run.

 

[War Lord]

in the long run- you are a small, small man who thinks small, small thoughts.


also this is true in the short run.


also, the middle run.

You're the one thinking small. Forcing car companies to raise the price of cars to cover litigation isn't going to stop them from selling cars and it isn't going to stop the majority of people buying cars.

It's only going to force people to pay more for a car in the most unnecessary way.

 

[enterthemadness]

I hope this does reduce car sales. That would be awesome. There are too many *******s on the road as it is. Just yesterday, when I was walking to work (it's a block away) I was crossing the intersection (I had the green) and some idiot on a cell decided to make an illegal u-turn which made me stumble backwards. I caught the edge of my flip flop on the curb and it broke, so I fell, bruised a strip across my thigh, and had to work at the comic shop barefoot because my shoe was broken.

That sucks. Well, if he did hit you...look on the bright side. You could sue. Right?

California has a bigger problem than Global Warming. At any given hour, any given minute, or second...part or all of Cali can sink into the ocean via a huge earthquake. That's why I rtaher move to Vancouver for my screenwriting career.

Seriously through, this is a good step. We need more hybrid and electric cars. Maybe this will force the car companies to start making more hybrid and start making electric cars again?

 

[hippie_hunter]

California has the greatest environmental protections of any state. In the long run, I think that's a good thing.

Good for the enviroment. Bad for business. Bad for residents having to pay higher taxes to pay for the programs.

Yes we do need to take care of the enviroment. Yes the FEDERAL government should do more to help (Bush's enviromental policies are f**king ******ed). But California takes it a bit too far.

 

[maxwell's demon]

You're the one thinking small. Forcing car companies to raise the price of cars to cover litigation isn't going to stop them from selling cars and it isn't going to stop the majority of people buying cars.

It's only going to force people to pay more for a car in the most unnecessary way.

try thinking a wee bit bigger about this

 

[War Lord]

try thinking a wee bit bigger about this

People like their cars, what can I say?

You're welcome to walk and ride transit whereever you go.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Seriously through, this is a good step. We need more hybrid and electric cars. Maybe this will force the car companies to start making more hybrid and start making electric cars again?

1. Demand needs to shift towards hybrid and electric cars. Right now, America's cars are still huge f**king gas guzzlers. People love their huge cars for some reason.

When my parents bought their Yukon, I told them that they downright that they deserved to pay high prices at the gas pump. My dad agreed with me, he knew that Yukons, a huge SUV, would take up a lot of gas. And he knew that before they bought it. Hence why he really doesn't complain about the prices at the pumps. Like me, he knows that we kind of brought this upon ourselves. My mother still complains and I have to explain to her why gas prices are high and that she brought it upon herself.

2. Hybrids are still new technology. I say that we should wait until the technology matures a bit, becomes more effecient, and more cheaper (hybrid and electric cars are expensive). Hopefully, increasing demand for such technologies will help the process speed along.

 

[enterthemadness]

People like their cars, what can I say?

You're welcome to walk and ride transit whereever you go.

I don't own a car. If I do get my driver's license...hopefully I'll either get a car not bad for the enviorment or a nice hybrid car. When I move to the big city...don't know if I still will have a car. I can take the bus, walk, taxi, etc.

 

[War Lord]

I don't own a car. If I do get my driver's license...hopefully I'll either get a car not bad for the enviorment or a nice hybrid car. When I move to the big city...don't know if I still will have a car. I can take the bus, walk, taxi, etc.

Not everybody lives in the big city and can easily access their jobs and all services within the city without a car.

If I do end up owning my own business, I'm going to need a vehicle to do deposits, because it's not a wise thing to carry around $10,000 or more every day to go to the bank on the bus.

 

[enterthemadness]

1. Demand needs to shift towards hybrid and electric cars. Right now, America's cars are still huge f**king gas guzzlers. People love their huge cars for some reason.

When my parents bought their Yukon, I told them that they downright that they deserved to pay high prices at the gas pump. My dad agreed with me, he knew that Yukons, a huge SUV, would take up a lot of gas. And he knew that before they bought it. Hence why he really doesn't complain about the prices at the pumps. Like me, he knows that we kind of brought this upon ourselves. My mother still complains and I have to explain to her why gas prices are high and that she brought it upon herself.

2. Hybrids are still new technology. I say that we should wait until the technology matures a bit, becomes more effecient, and more cheaper (hybrid and electric cars are expensive). Hopefully, increasing demand for such technologies will help the process speed along.

Can't we, as a country, just stop making cars, and make only hybrid and electric cars? I dont't see why we can't. We are already billion or trillions in debt. We will NEVER be able to pay that off. I say forget about out huege debt...and just make better cars for the enviorment.

 

[Jerry]

I hope this does reduce car sales. That would be awesome. There are too many *******s on the road as it is. Just yesterday, when I was walking to work (it's a block away) I was crossing the intersection (I had the green) and some idiot on a cell decided to make an illegal u-turn which made me stumble backwards. I caught the edge of my flip flop on the curb and it broke, so I fell, bruised a strip across my thigh, and had to work at the comic shop barefoot because my shoe was broken.

Boo Hoo

 

[War Lord]

Can't we, as a country, just stop making cars, and make only hybrid and electric cars? I dont't see why we can't. We are already billion or trillions in debt. We will NEVER be able to pay that off. I say forget about out huege debt...and just make better cars for the enviorment.

If the country goes belly up because of it's large national debt, what kind of vehicle the companies produce will be the least of your worries.

More environmentally friendly cars are coming. It's just a matter of bringing the price down to where they are affordable to have and when it's a good business decision to have them.

 

[Edd Extraordinaire]

The driving age in California is the only thing that is good.

 

[enterthemadness]

If the country goes belly up because of it's large national debt, what kind of vehicle the companies produce will be the least of your worries.

More environmentally friendly cars are coming. It's just a matter of bringing the price down to where they are affordable to have and when it's a good business decision to have them.

If we forget about the debt...why would it matter? It's not like there are evil robots forcing us to keep paying it.

 

[War Lord]

If we forget about the debt...why would it matter? It's not like there are evil robots forcing us to keep paying it.

Because investment in the country would immediately dry up. If investment in the country dries up, jobs disappear. If jobs disappear, you go hungry in a big way.

Just a really shallow summary of what would happen. When you get to college, take economics 101. You should learn how an economy works.