You Know What, Wrestling Thread? You're On The List! - Part 232

[The Apocalypse]

They should have Nia Jax beat the crap out of Fox another week or two and have Paige come in for the save. She needs something to do when she gets back.

 

[WereCoyote]

They should have Nia Jax beat the crap out of Fox another week or two and have Paige come in for the save. She needs something to do when she gets back.

And it would seem organic since that Total Divas show, had Paige and Fox together all the time. Instead of "This is MY house" she could scream, "This is MY FRIEND!" haha.

 

[TX85]

I'm very pleasantly surprised that TJP won the tournament and is the first new champion. I like the new title design and am so glad that it's not just the same WWE logo in the center like most other titles now.

 

[TX85]

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[TX85]

 

[Wylie Times]

I support The Rock as an actor and appreciate what he did for WWE. I'm not sure why anyone expects fans not to harbor some resentment towards him and other part timers considering the WWE world stops when they show up and everyone we invest time into as fans on a regular basis become second class citizens, generally around WrestleMania time. Certainly that's WWE's decision not theirs but they're the face of our frustration.

Then that's just fans being a bit silly IMO. The fact of the matter is that Rock and Brock are bigger draws than anyone else on the roster. If they weren't bigger stars we wouldn't see other guys pushed to the side when they show up. Again, some of that is WWE's fault for not building stars properly, but at the same time that's also because in the case of Rock we're talking about one of the biggest stars in the history of the business. If Austin was still physically capable of wrestling and he came back we'd see the exact same thing happen. We saw when Hogan came back in the mid early 2000's that he was such a draw that he pushed some guys down the card, but the big stars stayed at or near the top.

At the end of the day it's always going to come down to who can draw the most, the bigger the draw the more money that EVERYBODY makes. It's not a coincidence that Cena, Punk, and other people stopped complaining about Rock's return and being a part timer after they saw how much their pay increased with him on the card.

 

[Wylie Times]

At some point WWE needs to pull the trigger on a Samoan stable. They have all the pieces now with the Uso's, Reigns (who desperately needs a heel turn), Joe, Nia Jax and even Tamina.

It'll obviously have to be something down the road since The Uso's are on Smackdown, but I'm sure there'll be another draft around this time next year.

 

[Pink Ranger]

At some point WWE needs to pull the trigger on a Samoan stable. They have all the pieces now with the Uso's, Reigns (who desperately needs a heel turn), Joe, Nia Jax and even Tamina.

It'll obviously have to be something down the road since The Uso's are on Smackdown, but I'm sure there'll be another draft around this time next year.

I'd keep it lean and mean, just Reigns and the Usos.

 

[Wheels]

Did WWE have thier second boom period with crutches around? Nope. They had to go through the new generation era and experiment until they found their new draws in the Attitude Era. How are we going to get the new draws when WWE relies on the old ones because theire's no WCW to snatch them up? Hell, Bruno and Billy Graham weren't around for Vince to fall back on if Hogan bombed.

 

[Warhammer]

Then that's just fans being a bit silly IMO. The fact of the matter is that Rock and Brock are bigger draws than anyone else on the roster. If they weren't bigger stars we wouldn't see other guys pushed to the side when they show up. Again, some of that is WWE's fault for not building stars properly, but at the same time that's also because in the case of Rock we're talking about one of the biggest stars in the history of the business. If Austin was still physically capable of wrestling and he came back we'd see the exact same thing happen. We saw when Hogan came back in the mid early 2000's that he was such a draw that he pushed some guys down the card, but the big stars stayed at or near the top.

At the end of the day it's always going to come down to who can draw the most, the bigger the draw the more money that EVERYBODY makes. It's not a coincidence that Cena, Punk, and other people stopped complaining about Rock's return and being a part timer after they saw how much their pay increased with him on the card.

I agree 100%. The fact of the matter is Rock brings in the money. And he doesn't have to come back. He chooses to come back. Same goes for Brock. It's like how some fighters were pissed that UFC 203 was one of the highest grossing PPVs for the company because of CM Punk was on the card or how he received a $500,000 payday. Not his fault that he brought in the money.

 

[Loki882]

WrestleMania was a great example of this. You basically had multiple promising young talent (The New Day, the League of Nations, The Wyatt's, etc) get made to look like chumps just so that the aging, retired, or semi-retired "legends" (Stone Cold, The Rock, Foley, HBK, Cena, etc) can come in to "save the day." Because apparently they can do what people half their age who are full-time performers cannot. The tag team champs couldn't take down the LON, but 50-something HBK and Stone Cold (who has bad knees and a bad neck/back that forced him into retirement to begin with) and old man Foley, who looks like he has trouble even walking half of the time, can take them down like it's nothing The Wyatt's were their to be humiliated by Cena and Rock.

That's not a good way to continue to build your business long-term. You cannot rely on the retirees forever just to prop you up.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Then that's just fans being a bit silly IMO. The fact of the matter is that Rock and Brock are bigger draws than anyone else on the roster. If they weren't bigger stars we wouldn't see other guys pushed to the side when they show up. Again, some of that is WWE's fault for not building stars properly, but at the same time that's also because in the case of Rock we're talking about one of the biggest stars in the history of the business. If Austin was still physically capable of wrestling and he came back we'd see the exact same thing happen. We saw when Hogan came back in the mid early 2000's that he was such a draw that he pushed some guys down the card, but the big stars stayed at or near the top.

At the end of the day it's always going to come down to who can draw the most, the bigger the draw the more money that EVERYBODY makes. It's not a coincidence that Cena, Punk, and other people stopped complaining about Rock's return and being a part timer after they saw how much their pay increased with him on the card.

This is short term thinking that leads to long term problems. How are you suppose to get the next mega star when you crap on them all the time? If the Rock himself is just such a big draw, why would he ever need to go over then?

 

[famicommander]

At some point WWE needs to pull the trigger on a Samoan stable. They have all the pieces now with the Uso's, Reigns (who desperately needs a heel turn), Joe, Nia Jax and even Tamina.

It'll obviously have to be something down the road since The Uso's are on Smackdown, but I'm sure there'll be another draft around this time next year.

Why would you wish that on Samoa Joe?

He's too old to carry all those scrubs. Just let Joe be Joe.

 

[Wylie Times]

This is short term thinking that leads to long term problems. How are you suppose to get the next mega star when you crap on them all the time? If the Rock himself is just such a big draw, why would he ever need to go over then?

Having those star simply appear on the card (Which is what guys were complaining about) isn't short term thinking, that an opportunity to boost the profile of lesser know guys and draw bigger money.

Putting older guys over the younger guys is short term thinking, but that just the same bad booking we typically see. Cena vs Rock was too big of a money match for WWE to pass on. In the case of Brock, he's a special attraction that needs to be kept strong.

Rock and Brock being brought back doesn't bother me in the least, it's how they're used when they're brought back that bothers me.

Brock should be used as sparingly as possible and his opponents need MONTHS of build up before facing him. I think right now AJ is the only guy that people would really be excited to see Brock Face.

With Rock, WWE had to get those Rock vs Cena matches while they could. That was a legit dream match and sure shot draw. Punk was just in the wrong place at the wrong time and wasn't a big enough star to force himself into the match. If Rock could be cleared to wrestle the best usage of him would be to put over a heel Roman Reigns, Rusev, or Sheamus. Rock has continually shown in the past that he doesn't mind putting guys over, it's just a matter of VINCE being willing to do it.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Why is Rock in the mix here? Is he gonna stink up Mania with another one of his awful matches?

 

[chamber-music]

That's not a good way to continue to build your business long-term. You cannot rely on the retirees forever just to prop you up.

People have been saying that for years. Partly it is the fault some of the fanbase though.

I've seen plenty of fans saying they want stone cold or goldberg to come out of retirement for a match. Some people can't let go. Wrestlers have a finite career. Enjoy them while you can.

 

[Wheels]

Well, the Hart's are blaming Rollins for the death of a student at his wrestling school.

 

[Wylie Times]

People have been saying that for years. Partly it is the fault some of the fanbase though.

I've seen plenty of fans saying they want stone cold or goldberg to come out of retirement for a match. Some people can't let go. Wrestlers have a finite career. Enjoy them while you can.

Hell there are still people hoping for HBK to come back for one more match. People also wanted more Sting.

Wrestling fans are incredibly fickle. They clamor for guys to come back, then when they come back they complain about them going over other guys.

Even when it comes to the younger guys fans are fickle. I mentioned months ago that fans would likely turn on Dean Ambrose if he was world champ, and surprise surprise fans did just that. The people that fans often cheer for the loudest are the ones they're quickest to turn on.

Virtually all of this comes down to the booking though.

 

[TX85]

The wwe network has had great behind the scenes specials but now I want one on wrestler's court that would happen sometimes with Undertaker as the locker room judge. Even if there isn't much recorded footage, I would love to see some people talk about it and share stories.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Well, the Hart's are blaming Rollins for the death of a student at his wrestling school.

Didn't the young man come down with a surprise out-of-the-blue illness (not an in-ring injury) that suddenly escalated and required him to go the hospital, where he shockingly died? It's tragic, especially since he was so young, but surely can't be turned into a "Seth Rollins is reckless and dangerous in the ring" story.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

What bugs me is this guy is taking things beyond the safety concerns and making it personal by bashing him for not having charisma or ring psychology, basically calling him a spot monkey.

 

[TX85]

I hope TJ Perkins gets a new attire for Raw, His CWC attire is too colorful and random for me but other that that he has a good look, is great in the ring, decent on the mic and I like his theme.

He usually has random and weird attires but these 2 are my favorite

 

[JabarR]

Bayley and Sasha Banks have a few war of words backstage at the Cruiserweight Classic finale

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[JabarR]

Grado vs Bobby Lashley tonight?

 

[TX85]

I really like the center plate and the purple strap but the strap material looks rubbery