You Know What, Wrestling Thread? You're On The List! - Part 232

[TX85]

 

[Dr. Evil]

So "Sanity" is:

Spoiler

a faction of Nikki Storm, Alexander Wolfe, Skylar Fulton and Eric Young

 

[Slushy]

WrestleMania was a great example of this. You basically had multiple promising young talent (The New Day, the League of Nations, The Wyatt's, etc) get made to look like chumps just so that the aging, retired, or semi-retired "legends" (Stone Cold, The Rock, Foley, HBK, Cena, etc) can come in to "save the day." Because apparently they can do what people half their age who are full-time performers cannot. The tag team champs couldn't take down the LON, but 50-something HBK and Stone Cold (who has bad knees and a bad neck/back that forced him into retirement to begin with) and old man Foley, who looks like he has trouble even walking half of the time, can take them down like it's nothing The Wyatt's were their to be humiliated by Cena and Rock.

That's not a good way to continue to build your business long-term. You cannot rely on the retirees forever just to prop you up.

It's a valid point, but this was the biggest Wrestlemania ever in Texas no less so you know Austin and Michaels had to get involved. It was closest Shawn was going to come out of retirement. League of Nations was a failed stable anyway so I didn't mind them getting a beat down so The New Day could have the moral victory.

Cena and Wyatt were injured so I was okay with that segment so Cena could right the biggest wrong of his career (Wrestlemania 29's ending).

 

[Dr. Evil]

Why is Rock in the mix here? Is he gonna stink up Mania with another one of his awful matches?

Nope. He has said that he's busy with Hollywood from now until August of next year, but I would not rule him out as the headliner for next year's WWE Hall of Fame class.

 

[sweetre15]

What bugs me is this guy is taking things beyond the safety concerns and making it personal by bashing him for not having charisma or ring psychology, basically calling him a spot monkey.

Yeah Smith Hart seems to be moreso bent on trying to ignite a Seth Rollins hate train as opposed to voicing concerns.

Even though I think Bret is being a bit too harsh already, Atleast he doesn't seem to have an agenda of trying to tell people they shouldn't like or hold Rollins in a positive regard as a talent unlike Smith Hart.

When Jim Cornette has a more level headed assessment of this situation than you, you definitely have a problem IMO.

 

[Dr. Evil]

The losses at WrestleMania 32 for AJ Styles and Becky now seem like an afterthought.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Interesting article on how the Rock's producing partner is also his ex-wife:

http://www.newsweek.com/dwayne-john...woman-behind-hollywoods-highest-earner-497885

 

[OnTheAir]

NXT spoilers through October 12th:

Spoiler

September 21st Episode:

* Samoa Joe kicks us off with a promo stating that NXT Champion Shinsuke Nakamura has a ton of injuries from his attack. Joe says Nakamura will be out 6-12 weeks, but he's not patient. He wants Nakamura or to have the title vacated. NXT General Manager William Regal comes out and says Joe is right, but he hasn't heard from Nakamura, so he'll clean up Joe's mess in time. Joe goes face to face with Regal and says if he doesn't get what he wants, the entire roster will look like Nakamura

* Austin Aries defeated Oney Lorcan in a great match. Aries cuts a promo saying he'd call out Hideo Itami but Hideo is a coward and he knows he won't show up. Hideo comes out but Aries retreats

* Billie Kay defeated Aliyah

* Cedric Alexander defeated Andrade "Cien" Almas in a fantastic match. The crowd popped big for Cedric. Cedric wins when he catches Andrade going for the running knees and hits the Lumbar Check. Andrade teases a turn after the match, but hugs Cedric and raises his hand

September 28th Episode:

* William Regal comes out to announce the return of the Dusty Rhodes Tag Team Classic. The finals will be at Takeover: Toronto

* Tye Dillinger defeated Angelo Dawkins with the TyeBreaker. After the match, Bobby Roode interrupts and says the reason he came to NXT was to win the Dusty Classic, and he needs the perfect partner. Roode says them winning would be Perfectly Glorious. Tye shakes his hand and accepts

* The Ealy Brothers vs. NXT Tag Team Champions The Revival never happens as Samoa Joe comes out. He walks past the Revival and kills the Ealy Brothers. Revival walks away. Joe says the beatings will continue until Regal either gives him Shinsuke or gives him his NXT Title

* Ember Moon defeated Mandy Rose in a quick match

* The Authors of Pain defeated two local competitors. Paul Ellering finally speaks and says pain is coming and right now, that's all we need to know

* NXT Women's Champion Asuka taps out Liv Morgan in a quick squash with an armbar. Asuka is interviewed after the match and says no one is ready for her

* Hideo Itami defeated Lince Dorado in a good match. After the match, Austin Aries comes out of the crowd and attacks Itami, but flees when Itami turns the tables

October 5th Episode:

* The Authors of Pain defeated The Bollywood Boyz in a first round match of the Dusty Classic

* Rich Swann defeated Patrick Clark in a fun match. Patrick has new, very flamboyant gimmick and outfit -- puffy shirt, suit coat, glitter headband, whole nine yards. Swann wins with a cartwheel into a moonsault

* Peyton Royce defeated Danielle Kamella. Peyton has new gear and was accompanied to the ring by Billie Kay, but still does the flower entrance. This was an okay match, but nothing special. Peyton wins with a Perfectplex out of nowhere

* Dan Matha comes out for a match but Samoa Joe comes out and kills him. He cuts a promo -- "tick, tock, who will be the next to get his head rocked?" Refers to Matha as Regal's golden boy blue chipper. Repeats his ultimatum for Regal and tells him he has a week or he'll escalate things

* NXT Tag Team Champions The Revival defeated Cedric Alexander and Andrade "Cien" Almas in a first round Dusty Classic match. Great match. Revival pins Cedric with the Shatter Machine. Andrade attacks Cedric after the match and destroys him

October 12th Episode:

* SAnitY defeated Bobby Roode and Tye Dillinger in a first round Dusty Classic match. Roode walked out on Tye as soon as the beating began. SAnitY is Alexander Wolfe & Sawyer Fulton, accompanied by a masked man/woman. The female attacks Tye and reveals herself as Nikki Storm, and the masked leader is Eric Young

* Billie Kay defeated Liv Morgan after Peyton grabbed Liv's leg for the distraction

* TM-61 defeated Tino Sabbatelli and Riddick Moss in a first round Dusty Classic match. Fun match

* Blake vs. Murphy gets underway and was fun for what it was, then Samoa Joe runs in and murders both guys. He calls for Regal saying time is up. NXT Champion Shinsuke Nakamura's music hits and he comes out in a neck brace. He takes of the brace and charges the ring. A wild brawl ensues that ends with Shinsuke hitting the Kinshasa on a security guy, getting jumped by Joe again, but then brawling back to the ring, where Nakamura hits Joe with a Kinshasa to end the show

http://wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/201...-nxt-tapings-airing-in-september-and-october/

 

[chamber-music]

So "Sanity" is:

Spoiler

a faction of Nikki Storm, Alexander Wolfe, Skylar Fulton and Eric Young

Interesting stable. Nxt hasn't had a stable in a while.

 

[JabarR]

I guess the Impact Zone must love this whole Hardyz 'Broken/Delete/Obsolete' thing

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Gail is ready to hand Maria her ass

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Moose wants to be the freight train that runs Bobby Lashley over

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[Slushy]

The losses at WrestleMania 32 for AJ Styles and Becky now seem like an afterthought.

Paying their dues was the reasoning I guess.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Interesting article on how the Rock's producing partner is also his ex-wife:

http://www.newsweek.com/dwayne-john...woman-behind-hollywoods-highest-earner-497885

It's good for their daughter that they have that cordial relationship. Also, it's a good way of ensuring that your ex-wife doesn't try to **** you over when her career is dependent on yours.

 

[Wheels]

I find it interesting that Smith Hart said on Twitter that only bad wrestlers injure people when his brother put Steve Austin in a situation he wasn't comfortable with, because Owen insisted on landing on his butt rather than his knees, and as a result Austin broke his neck.

 

[Lobo]

https://giphy.com/gifs/batman-v-superman-john-cena-l3V0z3aRzuCWyJdAs

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

How is Moose doing in TNA?

 

[Hunter Rider]

 

[Loki882]

Paying their dues was the reasoning I guess.

I sincerely doubt it (especially AJ, he has no need to "pay his dues" at this stage of is career). Becky losing was about letting Charlotte retain the title while also protecting Sasha at the same time (which is why the storyline was ultimately about Charlotte vs. Sasha and how Sasha got hosed by Ric Flair). Essentially, Becky was the proverbial "sacrificial lamb" on the alter of the Charlotte/Sasha storyline.

And my guess is that AJ losing was before Vince and co realized that he could be a top guy (since apparently they saw him more as a mid-card enhancement talent initially and then change their minds later on). Also maybe they felt like Jericho needed a WM win or something.

Really the Brand Extension has helped both of them immensely. I doubt that they'd have gotten these opportunities if there hadn't been one, or at least not gotten opportunities this quickly anyway.

 

[SuperBatman]

There's some Speculation going around WWE wants to do someething in the vein of the Crusierweight Classic. Only this time involing women I'd be all for that if it happens.

http://wrestlingnews.co/wwe-considering-a-womens-tournament-similar-to-the-cruiserweight-classic/

 

[Pink Ranger]

There's some Speculation going around WWE wants to do someething in the vein of the Crusierweight Classic. Only this time involing women I'd be all for that if it happens.

http://wrestlingnews.co/wwe-considering-a-womens-tournament-similar-to-the-cruiserweight-classic/

I'd be interested in a woman's tag team tournament, with a mix of main roster, NXT and unsigned talent.

 

[SpideyVille]

I sincerely doubt it (especially AJ, he has no need to "pay his dues" at this stage of is career). Becky losing was about letting Charlotte retain the title while also protecting Sasha at the same time (which is why the storyline was ultimately about Charlotte vs. Sasha and how Sasha got hosed by Ric Flair). Essentially, Becky was the proverbial "sacrificial lamb" on the alter of the Charlotte/Sasha storyline.

And my guess is that AJ losing was before Vince and co realized that he could be a top guy (since apparently they saw him more as a mid-card enhancement talent initially and then change their minds later on). Also maybe they felt like Jericho needed a WM win or something.

Really the Brand Extension has helped both of them immensely. I doubt that they'd have gotten these opportunities if there hadn't been one, or at least not gotten opportunities this quickly anyway.

I think in the case of AJ, his lost was meant to be unpredictable. I think everyone expected him to win, so for him to lose, it was a shocker, just like Charlotte retaining was.

But let's not forget, the very next night, AJ won the fatal four way to become the number 1 contender, and he headlined two PPVs back to back with Roman. he got some great exposure, and those matches were some of Roman's best at that time. So to me, it seemed like they didn't want to push him too much too fast. Same reason why I don't see Bayley winning the belt anytime soon.

 

[Loki882]

That could be great. They could mix in some of the NXT talent that needs time to shine (IE not Asuka or Ember Moon as they're already set right now). Bring in some talented indie women (Candice LaRae, Toni Storm, Nixon Newell, Kay Lee Ray, Kimber Lee, etc). Maybe bring in some Japanese talent (Meiko Satomura, Io Shirai, Riho, etc). Heck maybe bring back some of your older talent (Mickie James, Beth Phoenix, Victoria, etc) as "special attractions), and use it to debut Crazy Mary Dobson (since I believe that they've signed her), and so on.

So many possibilities if they end up doing this. Although I also wouldn't use any main roster talent either, unless it's some like Emma who's just coming back and doesn't really have a set place/role yet.

 

[Loki882]

I think in the case of AJ, his lost was meant to be unpredictable. I think everyone expected him to win, so for him to lose, it was a shocker, just like Charlotte retaining was.

But let's not forget, the very next night, AJ won the fatal four way to become the number 1 contender, and he headlined two PPVs back to back with Roman. he got some great exposure, and those matches were some of Roman's best at that time. So to me, it seemed like they didn't want to push him too much too fast. Same reason why I don't see Bayley winning the belt anytime soon.

See in general, be it in pro wrestling or film or TV or whatever, I'm not really fond of the idea of "we're just going to do it to try and shock people, regardless of if it makes logical sense or not). There was no reason why AJ needed to lose his WM debut, which is ALWAYS going on his resume from now on, clean to a 45 year old who frequently takes time off to go tour with his band and who lost to freaking Fandango at a previous WM. That doesn't help AJ in any way.

And Charlotte's title reign went downhill fast post-Mania imo. They had the perfect setup for a title change there, and blew it (again imo).

Also with the state of Raw's women't roster right now, the idea of trying to "slowly build up" Bayley makes little sense to me, especially since she's already super-over with the fans and everyone knows who she is already.

 

[Keyser Soze]

WWE posted up a Youtube video with a little feature on their top 5 future dream opponents for John Cena. The list played out as:

1. Samoa Joe
2. Shinsuke Nakamura
3. Finn Balor
4. Shane McMahon
5. The Undertaker

#1 in particular has been a dream match of mine for years. They even got into the story of them both training together at the start of their respective careers.

 

[Keyser Soze]

I hope TJ Perkins gets a new attire for Raw, His CWC attire is too colorful and random for me but other that that he has a good look, is great in the ring, decent on the mic and I like his theme.

He usually has random and weird attires but these 2 are my favorite

Yeah I get what you mean. I think it'd probably look better if he just wore tights like the second pic rather than the strange pants that look like tights up to about the shins before going all baggy up top.

 

[TX85]

Insane hardcore match!
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