I like the scene where the Penguin gives his mayor speech and Bruce cuts in and everyone leaves him including Max and Selina. It was almost sad because you know he has a problem with abandonment.
Doesn't happen in the comics though!
Oh, and BB has PLENTY of emotional moments.
It was the most intimate take on the character yet.
The touching moments between father and son?
Young Bruce and Alfred and/or Gordon scenes after his parent's death?
The un-spoken bond of kinship between Lucious and Bruce, when bringing up the memory of his father?
The realization of Bruce that he has inherited his father's great legacy, and voiced through Rachel has the approval that his dead parents would be proud of him?
All more touching moments than that. Easily.
If there wasn't comics, it wouldn't have even been called "Batman" ...fu** the comics, this is a movie.
Yes, because thats where the ACTUAL heart of the original story of Batman comes from. Not from Selina Kyle. The perpetual love for his dead parents, and the amazing legacy of his father he's always trying to live up to, because he knows the way the citizens of Gotham looked up to his father as sort of a hero. Bruce sees himself as being an in adequate comparison to his father ... when in fact he is doing just as much, if not more than his father ever did. And in always striving for more, Bruce has made himself into a legend even his father's legacy can't touch. He will never get the actual approval of his father, so he continues on his mission, always believing he hasn't lived up to his father's image.GoogleMe94 said:The touching moments between father and son?
What's corny and cliched about that father / son interaction? That is the meat of the story, kid. Or more specifically, name exactly what is cliched in ANY of those scenes.GoogleMe94 said:you mean the "corny and clich'ed" moments between father and son"?
No, it wasn't. Maybe you don't understand it, or the message it is giving out ... but that is a heroe's anthem. It has a meaning and an actual purpose. It means to always have hope. Which is a metaphor for what Batman is ... hope, to a fallen city. "Why do we fall?" ... "So we can learn to pick ourselves up." That subplot alone has more heart and character than anything seen in the previous four Batman movies put together. I know this paragraph has confusing terms such as "themes" and "meanings" or "sub plots" to someone who just gets off on style over subtance ... as you are obviously a Tim Burton groupie. Tim Burton groupies usually don't get these things. heheGoogleMe94 said:the whole "why do we fall" thing was stupid.
How was it "whiny" ... the kid lost his parents and cries saying he misses them. That isn't "whiny" at all. Make sense if you're going to try and throw mud on the best Batman film yet.GoogleMe94 said:didnt effect me. the gordon scene was alright but the alfred scene was too whiny for a batman movie.
The hell are you talking about, BatWing6655?GoogleMe94 said:felt like it should have been in superman returns.
Or you're choosing to forget, because you know its awesome and you're dilberetly ignoring it. I mean, you obviously like the movie. You can't ever stop mentioning it.GoogleMe94 said:i dont remember that......guess it just wasnt very good to remmeber.
Then you don't understand and/or like the character of Batman at all. Because at its root cause, that's what it is all about.GoogleMe94 said:the whole taking back his fathers legacy Stuff imo was also corny.
No, but the story is of operatic decent. So the themes, dialogue, characters and message is big and bold ... thus being operatic.GoogleMe94 said:what is this, opera?
I agree. They all seemed forced. It seemed she was playing herself to seriously, in order to match up witht he acting greats surrounding her. She was just sticking out like a sore thumb, the entire movie. But that's unerstandable considering this was easily the best cast ever for a comic book movie.GoogleMe94 said:and it was katie holmes character that ruined most of the movie for me, and all her moments were terrible
If you considered any of that cheesy, then how is the scene in Returns any less cheesy for spouting off the "a misle toe can be deadly" shpeal for a second time as a mean that Bruce and Selina discover their identities. That scene was awesome, just as those emotional scenes in BEGINS were. And yes, there is way more emotion entrapped in the death of one's parents, and the mourning of them as an eight year old child ... then the scene in Returns where Bruce and Selina discover their identities. Not even close. You're saying the foundation for the Batman mythos is corny, by your statements regarding the father/son legacy plot. You do realize this, don't you buddy?GoogleMe94 said:to you perhaps, not to me. they were all corny and cheesy moments, as well as overly emotional and superficial moments.

Just like Batwing6655...?He's just intolerant of other people being intolerant of his opinion. Very self-destructive.
But he's only on the forum to challenge Nolanites. He's never done anything else. People poke holes in his lame arguments over... and over... and over again, but he dodges having to own up to his idiocy by letting the subject go for a day.
Sheer bliss right there.So many great moments. My top two favorite is when Wayne is sitting in the cave then the light comes up, he goes out to fight and my other favorite is when he pulls out the bat-glider and glides over the city.

Doesn't happen in the comics though!
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You know what scene is absolutely perfect and is not here?
Bruce Wayne sitting in the dark and right then the bat-signal enters through the window.