🇪🇺 Discussion: The European Union




"When you leave a boat, you can't get back on the same boat," says the man who — with Michel Barnier — led the EU's side of Brexit talks. Never? "In a century or two, yes," he said, eyes sparkling mischievously behind his glasses. He notes that no British political party fighting today's election wants to rejoin the EU (with Labour Party Leader Keir Starmer — who is widely expected to be the U.K.'s next PM — saying the country would not rejoin the EU's single market in his lifetime). Britain is "currently discovering the consequences of its vote, and the consequences correspond exactly to what we told them they'd be," Juncker says.
 
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I mean, Biden is going to do the same thing. And such a move is very popular with the UAW.
 
There's no "far right shock".

The so-called center has been treating the people like absolute garbage, so the people are turning to new alternatives.

That is why voters rejected Sunak, Macron, etc.

It's disgusting how the media is failing to assign accountability. So much blame for voters turning to Le Pen, so little blame for Macron governing like he doesn't give $0.02 about the people of France.

I predict that in four years the people will turn on Keir Starmer as well.

And Germans will soon give a kick in the can to Scholz and Baerbock. Germany is basically committing suicide under an incredibly inept government, but instead of acknowledging that we'll get articles making comparisons to Hitler.

At least in the USA, after 2016, the media had some relatively honest discussions about economic malaise.
 
Reuters - Anger among French conservatives as party chief wants election deal with far right


The leftist parties need to Voltron themselves together.




The counting isn’t over, but the Voltron strategy appears to have prevailed.

 
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There's no "far right shock".

The so-called center has been treating the people like absolute garbage, so the people are turning to new alternatives.

That is why voters rejected Sunak, Macron, etc.

It's disgusting how the media is failing to assign accountability. So much blame for voters turning to Le Pen, so little blame for Macron governing like he doesn't give $0.02 about the people of France.

I predict that in four years the people will turn on Keir Starmer as well.

And Germans will soon give a kick in the can to Scholz and Baerbock. Germany is basically committing suicide under an incredibly inept government, but instead of acknowledging that we'll get articles making comparisons to Hitler.

At least in the USA, after 2016, the media had some relatively honest discussions about economic malaise.

Economic anxiety was bull**** in 2016. In countries with more than 2 viable parties, do explain why the people choose the far right over the more left parties?
 
Economic anxiety was bull**** in 2016. In countries with more than 2 viable parties, do explain why the people choose the far right over the more left parties?
Economic anxiety is real to the people experiencing declining living standards, an opiate epidemic, etc. It's been shown that "OOT counties", as in counties that voted for Obama twice then Trump, were more likely to have had more significant casualties in the phoney wars against Afghanistan and Iraq. Please check your privilege and recognize realities such as declining life expectancy, declining living standards, and rising infant mortality.

As for far right vs far left, historically when it comes down to a choice between the two the people will support both, but the establishment will support the far right, pushing it over the top.

Von Pappen famously said "we hired him!" when the German establishment supported Hitler for Chancellor after he got 32% of the vote. The German elites were ok with Hitler because they preferred him to the communists.

In France, Macron and Attal kept campaigning when they should have encouraged more people to support Jean Luc Melanchon.

And I'll bet that in Germany, if Scholz and Baerbock drag Germany further down in flames, we'll see more establishment support for Alice Weidel than for Sahra Wagenknecht.

PS French voters have been rejecting Le Pen for forty years and gotten nothing to show for it, so let's not be narcissistic by calling them "far right" rather than trying to understand what is happening.
 
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Relief


Good things always come in threes or more. First the UK and now France has avoided right wing rule.

Not to mention the SAME pundits breathlessly pushing the “Le Pen’s party continues to lead” and “Macron’s approval ratings drops two points” are the same ones pushing the “Biden must step down” BS.
 
The incumbents (particularly Macron’s party) lost seats in France and the UK. Translating that here the Rs will lose seats in the House and Democrats will lose seats in the Senate. Biden won’t receive 51% of the vote again like in 2020. Even Obama lost two points from 2008 (53%) to 2012 (51%). If there’s a good news it’s that challengers have been overestimated in opinion polling the world over even when they have the momentum.
 
Reuters - Anger among French conservatives as party chief wants election deal with far right




There were articles before the election that claimed Macron also wanted Le Pen and the far right to win hence the snap election as they had the momentum.
 

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