🇮🇷 The Iran Thread II

Will the United States go to war with Iran in either 2012 or 2013?

  • Yes, definitely.

  • Possibly.

  • I dont know.

  • Probably not.

  • Definitely not.


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I highly doubt we do anything but have idle threats. We're great at making threats and doing nothing. That's what I think Obama's foreign policy is: making threats and not doing anything.


If they are doing things, its behind closed doors. US needs (and probably is trying) to bribe/coerce Russia or China (and other Ahmadinejad allies) to support their policy on Iran. If they can get one of the big players, they will be able to take their economic offensive to new heights.
 
According to the AP, Iran has begin the fueling process of its nuclear reactor with help from the Russian Federation.
 
According to the AP, Iran has begin the fueling process of its nuclear reactor with help from the Russian Federation.

Russia has said that they will make sure that the reactor isn't used for Nuclear weapons.

Of course, the last thing Iran wants to do is F with the Russians, especially with Putin in charge. So if Putin says that, he will make sure it's true. Wouldn't want to see a Russian Invasion of Iran if Putin gets upset at Ahmadinejad.
 
Yeah, Russia's involvement seems to be more of a safeguarding measure.
 
A bit clearer understanding.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkIBYGo1iGY
 
Putin wouldn't mind the Iranians getting nuclear material for weapons usage, they can make them an ally. Putin is no friend of the US, especially recent tensions as such. Russia is very much emerging yet again as another potential enemy of the weakened infertile USA.
 
Putin wouldn't mind the Iranians getting nuclear material for weapons usage, they can make them an ally. Putin is no friend of the US, especially recent tensions as such. Russia is very much emerging yet again as another potential enemy of the weakened infertile USA.
Russia is not emerging. Their only hope of emerging once more was oil which isn't going to go back up to the prices of $150/barrel again. Their source of power comes from the fact that they used to be a superpower and nothing else.
 
Russia has reverted back to the time when they wanted to be relevant and important like the countries of Europe, but weren't....
 
^ Or the U.S. is making it sound like it is.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCDkQGEhvEs
 
I teach "what" propaganda is, I don't teach propaganda...

Russia, CAN regain the strength it once had, but not based on oil. AND, the government's distrust of Western Europe and other countries around the world will have to change as well.

They also have to build an actual strong diverse economy, not just what looks like a strong diverse economy...

That is fact, not US opinion....
 
Nothing on this today?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/23/world/middleeast/23iran.html

TEHRAN &#8212; Iran unveiled a long-range unmanned bomber on Sunday, the latest in a series of announcements about new Iranian military advances as tensions rise over Tehran&#8217;s nuclear program.

Iran&#8217;s president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, at a ceremony to mark Iran&#8217;s Defense Industry Day, called the weapon a &#8220;messenger of glory and salvation for humanity&#8221; but an &#8220;ambassador of death&#8221; for Iran&#8217;s enemies.

The new aircraft, called Karrar or destroyer, can carry up to four cruise missiles and has a range of 620 miles, according to reports on state-owned media, not long enough to reach Israel.

The Karrar drone is the third such unmanned military aircraft to be announced this year and the second new weapon that Iran has unveiled in a matter of days. The United States and Israel have said they would not rule out an airstrike to stop Iran from building a nuclear bomb, and while Iran has continued to hold out the possibility of compromise, it has also showed off new long-range missiles, submarines and plans to launch high-altitude satellites.

&#8220;This is just the beginning,&#8221; Mr. Ahmadinejad told military officials. &#8220;Today the defense of Iran is identical with the defense of the existence of humanity.&#8221;

The announcement came just a day after a ribbon-cutting ceremony at Iran&#8217;s first nuclear power plant. Iran has long maintained that its nuclear program is peaceful, but Israel and many Western and Arab nations have voiced deep concerns about the possibility that Iran could use its nuclear fuel to make a bomb. On Friday, Iran&#8217;s defense minister, Brig. Gen. Ahmad Vahidi, announced a successful test launching of the Qiam surface-to-surface missile.

Iran&#8217;s first ever domestically built satellite is featured on Iran&#8217;s 5000 rial banknote, the equivalent of 50 cents, and Mr. Ahmadinejad&#8217;s recent promise to put the first Iranian astronaut into space within 15 years was anticipated in February by the dispatch into outer space of a mouse, two turtles and a box of earthworms.

The unveiling ceremony was held at Malek-Ashtar University of Technology here, thought by many in the American intelligence community to have close links to the Revolutionary Guards. In his comments, Mr. Ahmadinejad used provocative language to call on Western powers to engage Iran in dialogue.

&#8220;They tell us all options are on the table. We also say to them, all options are on the table,&#8221; he said in comments broadcast on state television. &#8220;The first option is for you to come down from your tower of pride and sit like polite children and talk.&#8221;

&#8220;Come down,&#8221; he repeated. &#8220;If you do not, the hands of the peoples of the world will bring you down.&#8221;
 
If things continue on their current course, it will certainly not end well for the parties involved. Iran wants nukes, and Ahmadinnerjacket is stupid enough to use them unless his religious overlords keep their leash on him good and tight (and that's assuming that they're not stupid enough to want a nuclear war with Israel, too). Either they're going to try and build the bomb and someone will step in and kick their asses (most likely Israel, which means the US, UK, and a few others will get dragged into it), or they're going to have a Chernobyl-scale catastrophe where they mishandle something resulting in massive radioactive contamination. Either way, they are meddling with stuff they don't understand. It's like a kid who sees that their uncles have gun collections, so he sneakily borrows one and ends up either shooting one of the neighbors or shooting himself by accident. Either way, the child's irresponsibility is going to end in tears.
 
^ Or the U.S. is making it sound like it is.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCDkQGEhvEs

No it's exactly like Kel says. Russia can be an emerging power like China, but the reality is that Russia is still in decline. Its population is in decline (due to a high death rate, low birth rate, low immigration, a **** load of abortions, low life expectancies, etc.) and is plagued with alcoholism and drug use. It faces a massive AIDS problem. The war in Georgia showed that it has an outdated military. And it has a crappy economy that was hoping to be vibrant again due to high oil prices that would last forever but lasted only a short time.

When your economy, military, and culture is in decline, your entire country is in decline.
 
No it's exactly like Kel says. Russia can be an emerging power like China, but the reality is that Russia is still in decline. Its population is in decline (due to a high death rate, low birth rate, low immigration, a **** load of abortions, low life expectancies, etc.) and is plagued with alcoholism and drug use. It faces a massive AIDS problem. The war in Georgia showed that it has an outdated military. And it has a crappy economy that was hoping to be vibrant again due to high oil prices that would last forever but lasted only a short time.

When your economy, military, and culture is in decline, your entire country is in decline.

I could have sworn the Russians built a new jet fighter (T-50), are sitting on some of the biggest natural gas deposits in the world; expanding pipelines in Eurasia, have virtual control of economies in all the former Soviet republics, and surpass college graduates in all of Europe.

Plus their Prime Minister looks like this:

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No it's exactly like Kel says. Russia can be an emerging power like China, but the reality is that Russia is still in decline. Its population is in decline (due to a high death rate, low birth rate, low immigration, a **** load of abortions, low life expectancies, etc.) and is plagued with alcoholism and drug use. It faces a massive AIDS problem. The war in Georgia showed that it has an outdated military. And it has a crappy economy that was hoping to be vibrant again due to high oil prices that would last forever but lasted only a short time.

When your economy, military, and culture is in decline, your entire country is in decline.

I agree with you that Russia is an emerging power, but it will accidentally and ironically be made into the real military threat that it is not by the foolish actions of a war mongering Federal government by attacking Iran by at least the part of Israel or the United States.

Namely oil trade to the U.S. from the Middle East will be essentially nonexistant and potentially later on in the hands of nations like China and Iran who may ally with the oil states. This would explain the consequences of that a bit more:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvTjAOGLmj8
 
You have a group of countries that Geographers/Economists call the BRIC countries....

Brazil, Russia, India and China

I went through 3 weeks of conferences at Rice University and one of the conferences was on this group. Academic Geographers are debating on whether to drop Russia from this group of countries, and they are looking like it is moving towards dropping Russia.




On another note, there is talk that Putin will be running for a 3rd term as President.
 
You have a group of countries that Geographers/Economists call the BRIC countries....

Brazil, Russia, India and China

I went through 3 weeks of conferences at Rice University and one of the conferences was on this group. Academic Geographers are debating on whether to drop Russia from this group of countries, and they are looking like it is moving towards dropping Russia.




On another note, there is talk that Putin will be running for a 3rd term as President.

That's why I've always thought that Medvedev was nothing more than a figurehead. Those who think Medvedev has actual power in Russia is a bit delusional. It didn't make any sense to me why Obama would try to make nice with Medvedev. French President Sarkozky on the other hand had invited Putin to France and Putin went. To me, its always been as long as Putin is in power somehow, that he's the final authority. He's not allowed to run for three terms in a row, so he becomes Prime Minister.

As for Brazil, I highly doubt that the next President of Brazil will have the popularity as Lula has had during his term in office.
 
They're dropping Russia from BRIC? So it'll just be BIC?
 
lol, yeah.....I thought the same thing when I heard it.

Before Mexico fell to the overwhelming power of the cartels....they were headed the right direction....and could very well have ended up on this list. They are far from it now.
 
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^ Nah, Bic is that disposable pen / pencil / lighter company.

Anyway, this is some pretty important news about Iran's new favorite woman punching bag:

Iran 'stoning woman' to be lashed over photo

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.260c2246a5c77075ff7ab46b021e9239.371&show_article=1

Sakineh Mohammadi-Ashtiani, an Iranian woman sentenced to death by stoning for adultery, has also been sentenced to 99 lashes for a photo published of her without a headscarf, according to her son.

In an interview published on the website of the French magazine La Regle du Jeu and the blog Dentelles et Tchador, Mohammadi-Ashtiani's son Sajjad said they learned of the new punishment from released inmates.

He said that a prison judge confirmed that she was to be lashed for spreading "corruption and indecency" by the publication of a photograph of her without a headscarf that appeared in a British newspaper.

The Times of London published on August 28 a photo of a woman without a headscarf that it said was Mohammadi-Ashtiani, however on September 3 it said the attribution of the photo, which it received from one of her lawyers that has fled Iran, was incorrect.

The photo "... is certainly not that of my mother," said Sajjad.

Mohammadi-Ashtiani, a 43-year-old mother of two, was given the death penalty for an extramarital relationship. Iran has subsequently said she was also convicted of being an accomplice in her husband's death, though she has denied that was the case. Her plight has prompted protests in Europe and an international campaign to spare her. Tehran has provisionally suspended the death sentence.

This whole situation seriously makes me sick, but what makes me even sicker is that this is only one high profile example of Iran's institutionalized misogyny, which has made victims out of untold numbers of women. I wish someone would kidnap the judge who sentenced her, throw him in some slimy dungeon, then flog him with a whip and then pelt him with stones so he can see how he likes it.
 

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