🇮🇷 The Iran Thread II

Will the United States go to war with Iran in either 2012 or 2013?

  • Yes, definitely.

  • Possibly.

  • I dont know.

  • Probably not.

  • Definitely not.


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This whole Wikileaks thing is going to lead to another World War if they keep pushing this stuff. There is a very clear difference between being a whistle blower and being completely irresponsible with what you know.
 
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The guy that runs this thing is a psycho plain and simple.

They need to SHUT HIM DOWN, and take care of the legal crap later.
 
The guy that runs this thing is a psycho plain and simple.

They need to SHUT HIM DOWN, and take care of the legal crap later.

Why? Is publishing bad behavior by the US and/or Iraqi militaries a threat to national security?

More than 15,000 civilians died in previously unknown incidents. US and UK officials have insisted that no official record of civilian casualties exists but the logs record 66,081 non-combatant deaths out of a total of 109,000 fatalities.

This seems like the kind of information that the public has the right to know.
 
Nah, I think the right thing is finally being done. First that awesome computer virus and now "they" are getting to the root of the problem.

In other news, Iran used the Red Crescent to smuggle weapons: http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News/Article.aspx?id=197124

And people wonder why Israel is always on the offensive. Americans have no ****ing clue. They're biggest worries are four year old "suspects" in airports.
 
Doesn't AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee) have some connections to Wikileaks?

Word on the street is this was all released as a pressure tactic on the US to push us into finally attacking Iran along with NK. Especially as our government has been trying to get Israel to attack Iran and we'd provide help, that isn't really sitting with them though. Conflict of interest I believe is what it's called.

Its just way to convenient for all of this to be released during an ongoing crisis in the Korean peninsula.

Way to suspect.
 
I agree that Assange is a nutjob anarchist with a naive and simplistic view of the world. And I think the latest leaks don't even have anything to do with human rights violations, but an attempt to discredit the US and hurt her interests abroad.

With that said, the news out of Tehran this morning....anybody seen Munich? It is sickening to see assassinations, but I think Israel just sent a very clear message that hopefully will be considered. Though I doubt it, as violence usually begets more violence. But now Iran and North Korea are heating up and we're in a crappy spot with both countries, I am afraid.
 
The thing is nuclear weapons is the best deterrant for invasion. It's the reason why Israel, Pakistan, and India have them. All these threats for regime change, assassinations, US-sponsored terrorist attacks by Kurdish and Awaz Arabs, would only accelerate the need for them.
 
I agree that Assange is a nutjob anarchist with a naive and simplistic view of the world. And I think the latest leaks don't even have anything to do with human rights violations, but an attempt to discredit the US and hurt her interests abroad.

With that said, the news out of Tehran this morning....anybody seen Munich? It is sickening to see assassinations, but I think Israel just sent a very clear message that hopefully will be considered. Though I doubt it, as violence usually begets more violence. But now Iran and North Korea are heating up and we're in a crappy spot with both countries, I am afraid.

Yup


The thing is nuclear weapons is the best deterrant for invasion. It's the reason why Israel, Pakistan, and India have them. All these threats for regime change, assassinations, US-sponsored terrorist attacks by Kurdish and Awaz Arabs, would only accelerate the need for them.

Exactly.
 
With that said, the news out of Tehran this morning....anybody seen Munich? It is sickening to see assassinations,

Why?

Seriously, I want to know why it's sickening to see evil uprooted from the world?
 
I'm willing to bet my life savings on that bomb blast being spear headed by the Iranian Government itself. During the 1979 Revolution, the Islamic Revolutionaries would dress their highest ups in Royal Guard uniforms and open fire on their OWN protesters to incite support amongst the people for the Revolutionary Regime.

What seems to be happening here is that this regime is doing this again, only now instead of gaining power, it's to try and maintain power. They want global sympathy from the neutral countries, and nationalism from the Iranian people - the majority of which don't even want a nuclear program to begin with.


And in response to Israel, Saudi Arabi and Qatar urging the United States to attack Iran I have but one this to say:

Why the hell would you bomb a country with an internal conflict at hand and whose military is made up of 18 year old conscripts?! If the nations of the world really wanted to see the Islamic Regime topple they would simply need to support the revolution that is happening there.
 
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Why?

Seriously, I want to know why it's sickening to see evil uprooted from the world?
So some random guy who has to work for an evil regime is evil, de facto? The Islamic Regime isn't like the United States... scientists aren't free to work wherever they want. Their education is provided for free, but then they have to work for the government for a certain amount of time. Also, for long term projects, they get assigned in their first few years of work, and are forced to sign contracts or pay a huge lump sum fee for their tuition. It's essentially like debt-slavery.
 
Why the hell would you bomb a country with an internal conflict at hand and whose military is made up of 18 year old conscripts?! If the nations of the world really wanted to see the Islamic Regime topple they would simply need to support the revolution that is happening there.

In my opinion, Saudi Arabia wants Iran to become a very geopolitically weak kingdom and/or dictatorship that can't affect Arab affairs. Also, I'm sure the Sunni religious clergy would not mind the weakening of the "Shia" power base in Iran. After all, to Wahabbi's, Shia'ism is equated with 'devil worship.'
 
In my opinion, Saudi Arabia wants Iran to become a very geopolitically weak kingdom and/or dictatorship that can't affect Arab affairs. Also, I'm sure the Sunni religious clergy would not mind the weakening of the "Shia" power base in Iran. After all, to Wahabbi's, Shia'ism is equated with 'devil worship.'

Exactly.

Iran has really being painted as this country hellbent on causing nuclear harm to the United States.

That's not the case at all but a shrewd misconception.

As much as I love my country I have to say every nation at some point will willingly do things that would be perceived as evil. For nations like the USA, China, Iran its far more transparent due to their size and standing in the world.

The C.I.A along with other US government agencies have done terrible, terrible things just to put Operation Northwoods as an example which is unspeakably awful and was shot down but made it as close to the presidents office and was taken into deep consideration. It also bears a striking resemblance to events that happened not to long ago which I won't name.

The real victims and causers of all these acts of massive good/evil deeds are the civilians who for the most part rather stay ignorant and fed by government and remain blissfully compliant of all acts of government to sustain the status quo (only for us though).
 
The issue isn't even a religious one or a nuclear one, it's an economic one. Iran is the deciding country in the middle east. Their power and resources out weighs that of any other country in the area (besides maybe Saudi and Dubai but their success is built off of international dealings). The issue with Iran is now and has always been an economic one. Dating back to Mosadegh, Reza Shah and even the Islamic Regime. He who controls Iran, controls the economic flow of the Middle East.

If they really wanted to topple the theocratic, Shiah Islamic Regime or even bring an end to the nuclear program they could. There are protests and rebellions going on in Iran - starting strong in summer of 2009 and has been thinning out. Why? Because after Michael Jackson died, the coverage on the Iranian protests stopped. Not one world leader came out and commented on the protests.

In a cable from August of 2009, a Saudi ambassador mentioned how Mousavi would be just as bad, if not worse - even though it is very well known within Iran and to the surrounding countries (including Saudi) that the Green Movement was only using Mousavi as a public figure to rally behind. None of them actually wanted Mousavi to take charge, they just used his platform as a statement against Ahmadinejad. When the Saudi government told the USA to not take part in supporting the Green Movement, they were just trying to manipulate the United States.

A democratic Iran is not economically beneficial to the world super powers. It's easier to manipulate one autocratic dictator, than an entire population of absolutely free people.
 
According to the AP, an IranAir passenger jet carrying 100 people crashed during an emergency landing today. 70 people were killed and dozens more have been injured.
 
Iran has successfully enriched uranium for the first time, a landmark in its quest to develop nuclear fuel, hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Tuesday, although he insisted his country does not aim to develop atomic weapons.

In a nationally televised speech, Ahmadinejad called on the West "not to cause an everlasting hatred in the hearts of Iranians" by trying to force Iran to abandon uranium enrichment.
The announcement came ahead of a visit to Tehran this week by Mohamed ElBaradei, the head of the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency, who is trying to resolve the West's standoff with Iran. The U.N. Security Council has demanded Iran stop all enrichment activity by April 28. Iran has rejected this, saying it has a right to the process.
"At this historic moment, with the blessings of God almighty and the efforts made by our scientists, I declare here that the laboratory-scale nuclear fuel cycle has been completed and young scientists produced enriched uranium needed to the degree for nuclear power plants Sunday," Ahmadinejad said.
"I formally declare that Iran has joined the club of nuclear countries," he told an audience that included top military commanders and clerics in the northwestern holy city of Mashhad. The crowd broke into cheers of "Allahu akbar!" or "God is great!" Some stood and thrust their fists in the air.

The White House denounced the latest comments by Iranian officials, with spokesman Scott McClellan saying they "continue to show that Iran is moving in the wrong direction."
Ahmadinejad said Iran "relies on the sublime beliefs that lie within the Iranian and Islamic culture. Our nation does not get its strength from nuclear arsenals."
He said Iran wanted to operate its nuclear program under supervision by the International Atomic Energy Agency and within its rights and regulations under the regulations of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
The announcement does not mean Iran is immediately capable of producing enough fuel to run or a reactor or develop the material needed for a nuclear warhead. Uranium enrichment can produce either, but it must be carried out on a much larger scale, using thousands of centrifuges.
Iran succeeded in enriching uranium to a level needed for fuel on a research scale — using 164 centrifuges, officials said.
But the breakthrough underlined how difficult it will be for the West to convince Iran to give up enrichment.
Ahmadinejad made the announcement in a richly appointed hall of one of Iran's holiest cities in a ceremony clearly aimed at proclaiming the country's nuclear success.
Speaking before Ahmadinejad, Vice President Gholamreza Aghazadeh — the nuclear chief — said Iran has produced 110 tons of uranium gas, the feedstock that is pumped into centrifuges for enrichment. The amount is nearly twice the 60 tons of uranium hexaflouride, or UF-6, gas that Iran said last year that it had produced.
Aghazadeh said Iran plans to expand its enrichment program to be able to use 3,000 centrifuges by the end of the year.
The United States and some European countries accuse Iran of seeking to develop nuclear weapons, an accusation Tehran denies, saying it intends only to generate electricity.


The IAEA is due to report to the U.N. Security Council on April 28 whether Iran has met its demand for a full halt to uranium enrichment. If Tehran has not complied, the council will consider the next step. The U.S. and Europe are pressing for sanctions against Iran, a step Russia and China have so far opposed.
McClellan told reporters traveling on Air Force One with President Bush that Iran's enrichment claims "only further isolate" Tehran and underscore why the international community must continue to raise concerns about its suspected ambition to develop nuclear weapons.
McClellan noted the Security Council clock now running on Iran.
"This is a regime that needs to be building confidence with the international community," McClellan said. "Instead, they're moving in the wrong direction."
U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton said the Iranians' announcement "shows that they're not paying any attention to what the Security Council has said."
"And it shows why we feel a sense of urgency here that we have to have Iran realize the mistaken course it's pursuing," he told The Associated Press.
In Vienna, officials of the IAEA, whose inspectors are now in Iran, declined to comment.
A diplomat familiar with Tehran's enrichment program said the announcement appeared to be accurate. He demanded anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss information restricted to the agency.
The reported breakthrough came only two months after Iran resumed research on enrichment at its facility in the central town of Natanz in February. The resumption of work there prompted the IAEA to report Iran to the U.N. Security Council — escalating the standoff.
The enrichment process is one of the most difficult steps in developing a nuclear program. It requires a complicated plumbing network of pipes connecting centrifuges that can operate flawless for months or years.
The process aims to produce a gas high with an increased percentage of uranium-235, the isotope needed for nuclear fission, which is much rarer than the more prevalent isotope uranium 238.
A gas made from raw uranium is pumped into a centrifuge, which spins, causing a small portion of the heavier uranium-238 to drop away. The gas then proceeds to other centrifuges — perhaps thousands of them — where the process is repeated, increasing the proportion of uranium-235.


The enrichment process can take years to produce a gas rich enough in uranium-235 that it can be used to power a nuclear reactor or produce a bomb.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060411/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_nuclear
 
Why?

Seriously, I want to know why it's sickening to see evil uprooted from the world?

and who decides who is evil and should be killed. US government has done a lot of bad and evil stuff themselves. financing terrorists just to bring down governments down that US doesn't like.
lets not forget torturing of people. and so on
same goes for israel, killing, torturing, invading...
 
For the the very negative information put out about Iran, I never hear any praise of a great move for being one of the first Middle Eastern countries for embracing more green technology. That in itself is proof of being more sophisticated than America and concerned about the shape of the planet.
 
For the the very negative information put out about Iran, I never hear any praise of a great move for being one of the first Middle Eastern countries for embracing more green technology. That in itself is proof of being more sophisticated than America and concerned about the shape of the planet.

Yeah, thank God they'll save the planet.... after they exterminate the Jews and America.

Way to ignore how America is working on getting more energy efficient all the time, by the way. That had to have taken quite a lot of effort.
 
Yeah, thank God they'll save the planet.... after they exterminate the Jews and America.

Way to ignore how America is working on getting more energy efficient all the time, by the way. That had to have taken quite a lot of effort.

Iran is really only hostile to Israel because of its own humanitarian record and its support of America's imperialist Middle East policies. The American addiction to fossil fuels or some sort of related war or Global Warming will probably destroy America in the Jews before Iran acts aggressively. Its been 200 years since they helped invade another nation.

I didn't say America was not increasing in energy inefficiency at all, but its microscopic compared to most nations. The amount of money to build a high speed rail line in California costs something like four months of US occupation in Afghanistan or Iraq. More coal burning plants and more vehicles using oil are made than clean energy plants.

America's biased and negative US media attention over Iran's increase in weapons production and threats causing petrol prices to rise, is too microscopic compared to the U.S. war and humanitarian record.

The act of opening of one nuclear power plant (which the US energy and military-industrial complex loves to hack) has been more beneficial for the environment by a nation that of America's, especially when compared to the massive negative impact in the past few decades. In fact, this has taken a lot of effort in itself.
 
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