🇷🇺🇺🇦 Discussion: Relations with Russia and the war in Ukraine

[Iceman]

US approves sending F-16s to Ukraine from Denmark and Netherlands

 

[squeekness]

Too bad they won't arrive until next year according to CNN.

 

[Iceman]

Ukraine war: Chernihiv missile strike leaves seven dead, 117 wounded - BBC News

 

[squeekness]

It's never going to end.

 

[:eek:]

The Ghost Fleet Helping Russia Evade Sanctions and Pursue Its War in Ukraine - WSJ

 

[:eek:]

Russian women fear return of murderers freed to fight for Wagner | Russia | The Guardian

 

[Hobgoblin]

The Ukraine war is going badly and the Russian moon explorer crashed into the surface. Putin must be ranting and raving in humiliation. Hopefully it won’t make him over react.

 

[InCali]

The Ukraine war is going badly and the Russian moon explorer crashed into the surface. Putin must be ranting and raving in humiliation. Hopefully it won’t make him over react.

Well, it DID land......just kinda hard.

 

[squeekness]

Russian women fear return of murderers freed to fight for Wagner | Russia | The Guardian

They can blame Putin for that one, lol.

 

[:eek:]

Inside the Russian effort to build 6,000 attack drones with Iran’s help - The Washington Post

 

[squeekness]

This stupid war is never going to end.

 

[Iceman]

Ukrainian drone destroys Russian supersonic bomber

 

[squeekness]

Ukrainian drone destroys Russian supersonic bomber

Awesome.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

The New Yorker - Elon Musk’s Shadow Rule

Musk wasn’t immediately convinced. “My inference was that he was getting nervous that Starlink’s involvement was increasingly seen in Russia as enabling the Ukrainian war effort, and was looking for a way to placate Russian concerns,” Kahl told me. To the dismay of Pentagon officials, Musk volunteered that he had spoken with Putin personally. Another individual told me that Musk had made the same assertion in the weeks before he tweeted his pro-Russia peace plan, and had said that his consultations with the Kremlin were regular. (Musk later denied having spoken with Putin about Ukraine.) On the phone, Musk said that he was looking at his laptop and could see “the entire war unfolding” through a map of Starlink activity. “This was, like, three minutes before he said, ‘Well, I had this great conversation with Putin,’ ” the senior defense official told me. “And we were, like, ‘Oh, dear, this is not good.’ ” Musk told Kahl that the vivid illustration of how technology he had designed for peaceful ends was being used to wage war gave him pause.

Musk was also growing increasingly uneasy with the fact that his technology was being used for warfare. That month, at a conference in Aspen attended by business and political figures, Musk even appeared to express support for Vladimir Putin. “He was onstage, and he said, ‘We should be negotiating. Putin wants peace—we should be negotiating peace with Putin,’ ” Reid Hoffman, who helped start PayPal with Musk, recalled. Musk seemed, he said, to have “bought what Putin was selling, hook, line, and sinker.” A week later, Musk tweeted a proposal for his own peace plan, which called for new referendums to redraw the borders of Ukraine, and granted Russia control of Crimea, the semi-autonomous peninsula recognized by most nations, including the United States, as Ukrainian territory. In later tweets, Musk portrayed as inevitable an outcome favoring Russia and attached maps highlighting eastern Ukrainian territories, some of which, he argued, “prefer Russia.” Musk also polled his Twitter followers about the plan. Millions responded, with about sixty per cent rejecting the proposal. (Volodymyr Zelensky, Ukraine’s President, tweeted his own poll, asking users whether they preferred the Elon Musk who supported Ukraine or the one who now seemed to back Russia. The former won, though Zelensky’s poll had a smaller turnout: Musk has more than twenty times as many followers.)

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

[CIA Director] BURNS: I think [Prigozhin]'s been in Minsk lately. I'm not sure he has any plans to retire in the suburbs of Minsk. But he's - but he spent time in Russia as well. And I think, you know, what we're seeing is a very complicated dance between Prigozhin and Putin. I think Putin is someone who generally thinks that revenge is a dish best served cold. So he's going to try to settle the situation to the extent he can. But again, in my experience, Putin is the ultimate apostle of payback. So I would be surprised if Prigozhin escapes further retribution for this. So in that sense, the president's right. If I were Prigozhin, I wouldn't fire my food taster.

Last month, both SoS Blinken and President Biden warned the Russians were likely to kill him. It's the world's biggest open secret that Putin offs people (using poisons, 'accidents', and deliberate) for decades that screw up or challenge him with plausible deniability.

See also: Yevgeny Prigozhin - Wikipedia

 

[InCali]

Last month, both SoS Blinken and President Biden warned the Russians were likely to kill him. It's the world's biggest open secret that Putin offs people (using poisons, 'accidents', and deliberate) for decades that screw up or challenge him with plausible deniability.

See also: Yevgeny Prigozhin - Wikipedia

I guess they ran out of open windows.

 

[Hobgoblin]

This is certainly going to make things interesting.

 

[Frodo]

I guess they ran out of open windows.

Well, Nato has an open door policy,
Russia has an open windows policy.

And in Prigozhin's case, he literally flew too close to the sun.

 

[Sithborg]

Yeah, Putin was never going to let him live. Shoot down his plane is a bit new, at least.

 

[squeekness]

I figured sabotage, not shooting. Holy crap!

 

[squeekness]

Yeah, Putin was never going to let him live. Shoot down his plane is a bit new, at least.

I had considered the idea he had already been murdered because it seemed like no one knew where he was.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Faytuks News: “BREAKING: A western official says they have been told that Prigozhin's jet was brought down by a Russian anti-aircraft missile system - Financial times”

 

[DJ Kornphlake]

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

 

[InCali]

Pass the Excedrin please.....I'll take the extra strength.