🇷🇺🇺🇦 Discussion: Relations with Russia and the war in Ukraine

[Holy Slapper]

To be fair, there wasn't a whole lot the US could have done to prevent Stalin's invasion of Finland. At that time the US had the 14th biggest army in the world (smaller than Romania's!).

We asked for equipment, weapons. Nope, you're on your own. I mean even Christopher Lee volunteered...

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

Doubing the credibility of a country that has a long and well documented history of lying about these things makes you a Russian puppet!!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Doubing the credibility of a country that has a long and well documented history of lying about these things makes you a Russian puppet!!

The US and UK have never, not once, lied us into an armed conflict. Nor has either government tried to punish journalists for doing their job and exposing those lies.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

In 2014 Russia state media ran bogus stories that Ukrainians were literally crucifying little boys as justification for their invasion.

The Daily Beast - There’s No Evidence the Ukrainian Army Crucified a Child in Slovyansk (2014)

Crucified Boy - Wikipedia

Russian-backed Ukrainian rebels/separatists shot down an airplane in 2014 and Russia/state media blamed Ukraine's government.

Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 - Wikipedia

U.S. Department of State - GEC Special Report: Kremlin-Funded Media: RT and Sputnik's Role in Russia's Disinformation and Propaganda Ecosystem (January 2022)

Reuters - Hacking team tied to Russia targeted 'western government entity' in Ukraine -researchers




Reuters - Russia, China agree 30-year gas deal via new pipeline, to settle in euros

 

[Holy Slapper]

The US and UK have never, not once, lied us into an armed conflict. Nor has either government tried to punish journalists for doing their job and exposing those lies.

Meanwhile Russia have actually started a war based on a false flag: Shelling of Mainila - Wikipedia

 

[Holy Slapper]

 

[Fosterson]

Meanwhile Russia have actually started a war based on a false flag: Shelling of Mainila - Wikipedia

According to a certain section of the Western left, only the US and its allies are capable of behaving aggressively or in an imperialist manner.

 

[Fosterson]

In 2014 Russia state media ran bogus stories that Ukrainians were literally crucifying little boys as justification for their invasion.

The Daily Beast - There’s No Evidence the Ukrainian Army Crucified a Child in Slovyansk (2014)

Crucified Boy - Wikipedia

Russian-backed Ukrainian rebels/separatists shot down an airplane in 2014 and Russia/state media blamed Ukraine's government.

Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 - Wikipedia

And don't forget the conspiracy theories that Russia has propagated about the Syrian Civil War too.

Such as claiming that the White Helmets rescue group are actually an Al-Qaeda affiliate:

How Syria's White Helmets became victims of an online propaganda machine

And that their client Assad's chemical massacres were actually staged by the White Helmets:

Chemical Weapons and Absurdity: The Disinformation Campaign Against the White Helmets - bellingcat

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Belarus seeks to amend its constitution to host Russian nuclear weapons
In December, Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko went on Russian state television to offer to host Russian nuclear weapons on Belarus’s territory. This will be made possible by a little-noticed change to Belarus’s constitution set to come into effect on 27 February.

They are also doing this so the Russian army will have a pretext to crush uprisings against the Putin dictatorship in Belarus.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

The dictator of Belarus confirms by his own stupidity the Russian fake reason to invade Ukraine that western intelligence services have warned about.



CNN - Russia accelerates movement of military hardware towards Ukraine, satellite images show

Reuters - Biden, Germany's Scholz stress unity against Russia on Ukraine

NY Times - After a meeting with the German chancellor, Biden promises a ‘united’ response to Russia.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

 

[Holy Slapper]

In just over a month, support for NATO membership among Finns has increased almost weekly. In a poll published toady, 45% of Finns would support a NATO membership if the top government people (prime minister and president) think it benefits us.

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

We must do everything possible to avoid an enormously destructive war in Ukraine | Bernie Sanders

 

[:eek:]

Former general Leonid Ivashov attacks Putin for ‘provoking war’ | World | The Times

This guy probably needs to stay away from any window...

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Ukraine crisis: MPs hold up flags to thank countries for their support

 

[Holy Slapper]

We must do everything possible to avoid an enormously destructive war in Ukraine | Bernie Sanders

Sanders doesn't understand at all how to deal with Putin.

 

[Holy Slapper]

That guy gets it.

 

[Marvolo]

Ukraine crisis: MPs hold up flags to thank countries for their support

Russia doesn't care about violating the security and democracy of sovereign nations so why should NATO care about Russia's security concerns?

 

[Fosterson]

Russia doesn't care about violating the security and democracy of sovereign nations so why should NATO care about Russia's security concerns?

I would also point out that Russia's revanchist behaviour began before any NATO expansion took place. In 1992, Russia contrived the secession of Transnistria from Moldova, and then in 1994 Russia invaded Chechnya in order to prevent it breaking away, starting a horrific war in which tens of thousands of Chechen civilians were killed.

Its also worth noting that these actions were carried out by Boris Yeltsin, Bill Clinton's buddy who was feted in the West as Russia's new hero of democracy even though he had literally brought tanks onto the streets of Moscow in 1993 and shelled the Russian parliament.

These actions by Russia unquestionably contributed to the desire of former Eastern Bloc countries (especially the likes of Hungary, Czech Rep. and Slovakia, where the memory of the invasions of 1956 and 1968 were still fresh) to join NATO asap.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Reuters - Russian teen skater Valieva trains after reports of failed drug test

Russia's 15-year-old figure skating sensation Kamila Valieva giggled with her coaches but turned serious for her own routine as she practiced on Thursday at the Winter Olympics despite reports of testing positive for a banned substance.

The teenager was part of the Russian Olympic Committee (ROC) team that won the figure skating team event on Monday, ahead of the United States and Japan. But their medal ceremony was delayed for unexplained "legal reasons".

Russian athletes are already competing without their flag and anthem because of sanctions for past doping violations.

 

[Holy Slapper]

Ukraine tensions: Russia accused of sea blockade

Warmongering Americans at it again.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

As usual, many Americans there will not listen. They've been warned for a while now. Whether it's an asteroid, a hurricane, the Taliban, or the Russian military, there are those that refuse to heed warnings to move their butts someplace else and then blame somebody else (the warners) for their own slow reaction stupidity while at the airport in a warzone at the last possible second if ever.

One can hope for the worst case scenario not coming true, but better safe than sorry and late.

 

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Russian teenager jailed over ‘Minecraft plot to blow up virtual spy HQ’ | Russia | The Guardian

 

[MagnarTheGreat]