🇷🇺🇺🇦 Discussion: Relations with Russia and the war in Ukraine

[MessiahDecoy123]

If you want to find out more I encourage you to read media from non-Western sources.

I looked up NATO conflicts. They mostly go up against dictators, terrorists and the Taliban for the last 20+ years.

There's no logical reason to oppose them unless you belong to one of those three groups.

 

[blueharvest]

Naftogaz: Energy facilities in western Ukraine suffer damage during Russia's overnight attack

A number of energy facilities in western Ukraine had suffered damage during Russia's major overnight strike targeting critical infrastructure, state oil and gas monopoly's CEO Oleksiy Chernyshov said on March 24.

kyivindependent.com

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Strong possibility Russia will veto resolution on North Korea sanctions, UN diplomat says​

https://www.reuters.com/world/strong-possibility-russia-will-veto-resolution-north-korea-sanctions-un-diplomat-2024-03-22/

Canadian Idiots Who Fled To Russia Because Of 'Woke' Now Getting Kicked Out Of Russia, Because Russia

They did not do the research.

www.wonkette.com

 

[DA_Champion]

I looked up NATO conflicts. They mostly go up against dictators, terrorists and the Taliban for the last 20+ years.

There's no logical reason to oppose them unless you belong to one of those three groups.

The intervention in Afghanistan, for one, was a colossal failure. They didn't merely "fight the Taliban", which is an Israeli-style talking point, they undermined the country, bombed weddings, etc. The Taliban is now in charge there. 200,000 dead, and $2 trillion out the toilet.

You might be referring to the genocide of Libya as "fighting dictators" since Colonel Ghaddafi was there. Libya has since lost close to half a million lives. The civil war there is ongoing. Every Libyan I've spoken to has decried the NATO-led assault on the country. Even Obama has referred to Libya as the greatest mistake of his Presidency.

You might also be referring to Syria, which again involves some NATO countries. They've lost 300,000 lives, and they're stealing Syrian oil.

Here's an article (one of many) from Tarik Cyril Amar, he's German-Palestinian and is a historian living in Turkiye.

How NATO Brainwashes Western Society with its Anti-Russia Wargames

Steadfast Defender 2024, the bloc’s largest exercise in decades, is not only about military cohesion – it’s about selling war to the people

tarikcyrilamar.substack.com

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

The intervention in Afghanistan, for one, was a colossal failure. They didn't merely "fight the Taliban", which is an Israeli-style talking point, they undermined the country, bombed weddings, etc. The Taliban is now in charge there. 200,000 dead, and $2 trillion out the toilet.

You might be referring to the genocide of Libya as "fighting dictators" since Colonel Ghaddafi was there. Libya has since lost close to half a million lives. The civil war there is ongoing. Every Libyan I've spoken to has decried the NATO-led assault on the country. Even Obama has referred to Libya as the greatest mistake of his Presidency.

You might also be referring to Syria, which again involves some NATO countries. They've lost 300,000 lives, and they're stealing Syrian oil.

Here's an article (one of many) from Tarik Cyril Amar, he's German-Palestinian and is a historian living in Turkiye.

How NATO Brainwashes Western Society with its Anti-Russia Wargames

Steadfast Defender 2024, the bloc’s largest exercise in decades, is not only about military cohesion – it’s about selling war to the people

tarikcyrilamar.substack.com

NATO generally protect democratic institutions globally from tyrants. You can't achieve that always with diplomacy.

Looking at the conflicts since 2001 it's clear that NATO opposed tyranny. Putin is obviously no exception and HIS narrative is that NATO is evil and he's the victim or good guy.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I do agree with Obama that overthrowing and assassinating Gaddafi was the worst act of his presidency.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Obama was talking about the aftermath in Libya.

March 2011: UN Security Council authorises a no-fly zone over Libya and air strikes to protect civilians

Chris Wallace: Worst mistake?
Obama: Probably failing to plan for the day after, what I think was the right thing to do, in intervening in Libya.

“It is not the first time President Obama has expressed regret over Libya. He told the Atlantic magazine last month the operation went as well as he had hoped, but Libya was now ‘a mess’.”

Taking down brutal dictators who kill their own citizens is usually the easier part than what happens afterwards.

 

[InCali]

NATO generally protect democratic institutions globally from tyrants. You can't achieve that always with diplomacy.

Looking at the conflicts since 2001 it's clear that NATO opposed tyranny. Putin is obviously no exception and HIS narrative is that NATO is evil and he's the victim or good guy.

I don't have stats on this, but I can recall NATO resolutions getting vetoed for a variety of reasons. Sometimes a country thinks they go too far and want to introduce a scaled back version.

 

[DA_Champion]

Obama was talking about the aftermath in Libya.

The aftermath was inevitable given the action.

 

[Hobgoblin]

Winning the war is one thing. Winning the peace is something else.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Moscow concert hall attack: death toll raised to 137 as White House says Ukraine had ‘no involvement whatsoever’– as it happened

Russians lay flowers and light candles outside Crocus concert hall on day of mourning

www.theguardian.com

ISIS attacked the U.S. evacuation from Afghanistan.

2021 Kabul airport attack - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[squeekness]

Winning the war is one thing. Winning the peace is something else.

Been like that in too many wars now.

 

[blueharvest]

Ukraine war latest: Ukraine confirms striking 2 large Russian landing ships; Russia launches major attack on energy system

Key developments on March 24: * Ukraine confirms striking 2 large Russian landing ships in occupied Crimea * Russia launches major attack across Ukraine targeting critical infrastructure * ISW: Russia makes limited advances along eastern front * Ministry: Situation at Zaporizhzhia's Dnipro...

kyivindependent.com

 

[:eek:]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/france-raises-terror-alert-warning-highest-level-2024-03-24/

 

[blueharvest]

Ukraine aid back on US agenda – but still at mercy of unruly Republicans

Speaker Mike Johnson averted government shutdown but faces far-right threat of removal over $60bn national security package

www.theguardian.com

 

[InCali]

Ukraine aid back on US agenda – but still at mercy of unruly Republicans

Speaker Mike Johnson averted government shutdown but faces far-right threat of removal over $60bn national security package

www.theguardian.com

I tell him to put the senate bill on the floor for a vote and I won't let him lose his job. Take it or leave it.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Russian intelligence controls warlord's disinformation empire with AI

Russian intelligence services subsumed the late Yevgeny Prigozhin's network and Artificial Intelligence is amplifying their reach, sources tell us.

scrippsnews.com

 

[blueharvest]

Ukraine aid in limbo as Congress begins two-week recess

Speaker Mike Johnson is expected to turn the House's attention to addressing supplemental funding for U.S. allies, including Ukraine, when the chamber returns. But the path forward for the speaker is treacherous.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[blueharvest]

 

[Iceman]

Alexander Lukashenko says Moscow concert attackers ‘tried to flee to Belarus’ - Yahoo News UK

The Crocus City Hall terrorist attackers tried to flee to Belarus, Alexander Lukashenko said in a statement undermining Vladimir Putin.

uk.yahoo.com

Alexander Lukashenko says Moscow concert attackers ‘tried to flee to Belarus’​

"The Crocus City Hall terrorist attackers tried to flee to Belarus, Alexander Lukashenko said in a statement undermining Vladimir Putin.

The Belarusian dictator’s remarks contradict claims by the Kremlin and top Russian security officials that the attackers were backed by Ukraine and tried to escape there as part of a pre-arranged plan."

 

[:eek:]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13241019/More-1-600-planes-hit-mysterious-GPS-jamming-Europe-Russia-feared-responsible.html

 

[blueharvest]

Russia supplies oil directly to North Korea in exchange for weapons

Russia began providing direct oil supplies to North Korea, defying UN sanctions. In exchange for oil, Russia receives weapons.

www.pravda.com.ua

 

[squeekness]

Russia supplies oil directly to North Korea in exchange for weapons

Russia began providing direct oil supplies to North Korea, defying UN sanctions. In exchange for oil, Russia receives weapons.

www.pravda.com.ua

Nice.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Denying Russia’s Only Strategy for Success

The notion that the war is unwinnable because of Russia’s dominance is a Russian information operation, which gives us a glimpse of the Kremlin’s real strategy and only real hope of success. The Kremlin must get the United States to the sidelines, allowing Russia to fight Ukraine in isolation...

www.understandingwar.org

Bombs, missiles, and ammunition: France announces plans to produce weapons

The French Ministry of Defense reported on the pace of arms production and plans to provide military assistance to Ukraine

mil.in.ua

 

[blueharvest]

In One Massive Attack, Ukrainian Missiles Hit Four Russian Ships

The missile raid on the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol didn’t hit two Russian warships. No, according Ukrainian authorities, the Sunday raid struck four ships.

www.forbes.com