10 reasons why the mcu spider-man is the worst

[Redd5]

Now I want to start by saying I have always wanted Spider-Man to be in the MCU and was initially excited after Civil War despite being kinda shoehorned in. However Homecoming and FFH have been nothing short but complete disappointments and Holland just isn't great in those movies unlike the Avengers movies. But even then his Spider-Man is easily my least favorite of the three. I do put Homecoming and FFH above TASM2 but below every other Spider-Man movie. Simply put here is a few reason why I feel he has been the worst Spider-man

1. The suit- When I first saw the Spider-Man suit I hated it. I hated the web pattern, I hated the piping it just didn't do it for me and I also hated the hexagon spider symbol. What is worse is there was a test suit that looks MUCH better than the final product.
This was also coming off TASM2 suit which is just a masterpiece. As if that wasn't bad enough Marvel decided instead of Peter making his suit it was given to him by Papa Iron Man (that'll be a theme) coming with all these new bells and whistles and then promptly introduced the red and black suit which feel like it'll be his new main suit. Peter is suppose to be a genius yet he can't invent his own tech? Also if that red and black suit isn't leading to Superior Spider-Man I'll be pissed
The Iron Spider in Infinity War and Endgame was good though (I'm a sucker for large bold symbols) but knowing what we could've from the comics gotten pisses me off

2. Isn't relatable- A big part of Spider-man is how he is a regular kid mostly who just happened to get super powers (minus being able to make web but hey stretch your disbelief). Here though he is Iron Man's chosen one and is gifted with all this new stuff. The Raimi and Webb movies nailed this aspect unlike the MCU. He goes to what looks like a higher end public school or private school that can afford trips to DC and Europe, that has chemicals to make spider web, he gets all this tech from Stark and is treated like the chosen one. People complain about Peter having special blood in TASM but this is far more egregious

3. Personal life struggles- Another big facet to Peter Parker and going hand and hand with the previous point is he is essentially a loser plain and simply. He struggles at his jobs, can't pay his rent, has girl problems etc. Here we get none of that. The Raimi movies did it fantastic and Webb did a decent job but here it is thrown out. Aunt May being a struggling single parent? Nah let's have a cool young May who can take care of peter and pay off living in a decently sized apartment in NYC. Having problem paying rent? Nope not an issue and apparently can pay the electricity to charge the Iron Spider. Peter school life hurting because of his duty as Spider-Man? What a joke he can skip out on detention or decathlon club and not get any meaningful consequence. Why should've I care about this Spider-man now?

4. Peter Parker and Spider-Man- A lot of people say Andrew Garfield's Peter Parker was bad but one thing you can't deny is how different Peter Parker and Spider-Man was. Peter is shown to be quiet, polite and nervous around girls. In the MCU Peter and Spider-man are basically the same character. I really can't tell any difference between Peter Parker and Spider-man

5. Lack of consequence- This focuses more on Homecoming but it does a little but for FFH however Peter just doesn't suffer any consequences. FFH was a little better but it would've been better if it didn't come from Peter making stupid decisions and if one of his classmates or teachers died. As I mentioned before he doesn't get kicked off the decathlon team or anything like that. I guess he lost his suit but it was of course the message of you're more than a suit that Iron Man went through in Iron Man 3 but it doesn't work here because unlike Iron Man Peter has super powers and even made his own webs unlike Stark who is a regular person without his suit. The closest we get it Liz having to move which should be heartbreaking but A. she was underdeveloped and B. MJ is just there to take her place and for her to never be mentioned again. That moves onto

6. Worst love interests- Gwen Stacy was amazing in TASM movies and while MJ was a bit dull in the Raimi trilogy they are still way better than Liz or MJ in the MCU. Liz simply isn't given any time to be developed and is just Peter's high school crush. He likes her because she is smart and hot and popular but we learn barely anything of her interests or ambitions and then is promptly written out at the end killing any chance for her to be developed later especially knowing her father was Vulture. Now Michelle "MJ" Jones is a little better but still incredibly underdeveloped and having her take Mary Jane Watson's role is just insult to injury

7. Action and movement- The action and the movement of Spider-Man in the mcu is incredibly underwhelming which I can't understand why given what we got in TASM2 which had the best web slinging and crawling (I always loved how Spider-Man crawled like an actual spider). The action is also incredibly bland compared to the Raimi trilogy or TASM and on top of that Spider-Man pretty much always gets his assed kicked in these movies. It makes me wonder what Iron Man saw in Peter

8. Weak supporting cast- Even though this is probably the largest supporting cast it is also the weakest. None of the decathlon kids have any personality or gets developed outside of just being Peter's vague friends. Ned was OK but nothing special and again Aunt May is just terrible. In the Raimi trilogy basically everyone has their quirks like JJJ or even Betty. Harry though is way better than Ned and could've had an interesting payoff in Spider-man 3 and although his arc was rushed in TASM2 Harry is still a lot better than Ned and Dane DeHaan was actually pretty good as Harry but just needed a better script. I even question why Peter needed to have a clique

9. Missed potential. Maybe it was just the fact the Sony-Marvel deal came so late but it is honestly such wasted potential that we will never see Spider-Man be a full on Avenger with the classic Avengers. On top of that the snap was also a wasted opportunity. They basically play it off as a joke and as an excuse to introduce Brad (who is just the worst). How convenient that literally all the supporting cast including May, Ned and MJ were snapped away so they can all come back in this movie. Remember how when Scott Lang came back he found his daughter grown up? It would've been awesome seeing these kids adapting to a new world and how half the people they grew up with are now older than them. FFH barely feels like a movie set in a recovery earth after the apocalypse and the only hints we get at were the opening and them briefly mentioning how Brad is a cool hunk now. They also wasted the opportunity to have FFH be about Peter taking up the responsibility of Iron Man and losing his father figure. It is barely a part of the movie

10. Too much Iron Man focus- I really get what they were going for but Iron Man just comes off as borderline replacing Uncle Ben. They just made Iron Man way too much of a focus or focus on the wrong elements. Like I said FFH should've been about Peter coping with losing another father figure in a span of a few years. But instead they decide to focus on Iron Man's technology, Happy Hogan banging Aunt May and how Peter wants to be like Iron Man

I've seen a lot of people mention how Miles should've been Spider-Man given the similarities and maybe it would've been better but all I known is what we got has been disappointing. I just don't understand the love this Spider-man gets over Tobey or even Andrew. I see people praise Holland for looking like an actual teenager or more of a focus on high school but I feel like the core of Spider-Man has been left out. It almost feels like Marvel has focused on the superficial of Spider-Man. As an example I saw a video playing Peter Parker and Peter B Parker's monologues from Spiderverse side by side and someone commented the PP is what casual fans think Spider-Man is like and PBP is what Spider-Man is actual like in the comics and I have to say I feel like sony, marvel, disney, Jon Watts or whoever views Spider-Man like a casual fan. They focus on the heroic and fun elements of Spider-man which isn't entirely wrong but leaving out his personal life takes out some of the most interesting aspects of the character. I also get there is a need to make this Spider-Man different from the previous two but I just feel the changes haven't been good changes. I don't mind change but it has to be good

TL;DR: MCU Spider-man just lacks the main essence of Spider-Man and couple that with an uninteresting supporting cast, terrible suits, mediocre action and too much Iron Man focus it just makes a character who looks and acts like Spider-Man but never really feel like him

 

[Detective Conan]

MCU Spider-Man is the first live-action cinematic incarnation of the character to have his final battle against a bad guy in his solo movie take place in the day as opposed to at night time.

Just a useless observation I made. Carry on, y’all.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Wow... And there are posters that think I get too long winded.


This has a very written in a shack in the woods quality.

 

[fan4stic]

I wouldn't call it the "worst". That's a more intense preference than I'd prefer to take.

For the most part, I have similar thoughts in regards to the MCU Spider-Man.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I actually think MCU Peter’s school looked more like an actual NYC high school than the past incarnations. I gave them points for that.

And my school had trips to Africa, South America, and we were a public school, so MCU Peter doing that Europe trip isn’t uncommon.

The reliance on Iron Man is a lot though.

 

[Redd5]

Wow... And there are posters that think I get too long winded.


This has a very written in a shack in the woods quality.

Thank you

 

[Redd5]

I actually think MCU Peter’s school looked more like an actual NYC high school than the past incarnations. I gave them points for that.

And my school had trips to Africa, South America, and we were a public school, so MCU Peter doing that Europe trip isn’t uncommon.

The reliance on Iron Man is a lot though.

Not to get too personal but was your high school an upper class school or a specialized school?

ive just never heard or seen schools taking field trips to other countries besides maybe bordering countries or the Caribbean. I know one of the clubs at my school went to Puerto Rico to rebuild houses after a hurricane but I also went to a private school in Florida, it was for charity and of course PR is part of the US

even then I’m not fond of Peter going to an upper class school (which it seems like it is) or taking him out of NY. I know it could be explained he won a lottery like Miles but Peter shouldn’t be Miles. We barely saw anything of high school in Spider Man 1 but TASM felt more in line like the high school from most of the comics being a somewhat lower middle class underfunded high school. On top of that it Homecoming uses a ton of high school movie cliches and tropes that I hate especially as someone who just graduated from high school. I’m not expecting an ultra realistic depiction of high school but it’d be nice to evolve from Ferris Bueler or breakfast club. Tbh I really think it was a mistake to focus so much on high school with Spiderman since it’s never been a primary focus and more of a backdrop and no version really ever got the high school setting right. Ditko based Spider-Man off his teenaged years which would’ve been in the 40s during the Great Depression so even for the 60s it wasn’t contemporary and BMB based Peter’s high school off a high school his wife worked at

but like I said my biggest issue was the fact FFH didn’t feel like a recovery world. Like shouldn’t Peter and the other kids not even have summer vacation and be catching up on school? Given in the opening scene we see the marching band “blip” back in existence during a basketball game that means it’d be from December to March given that is when HS Basketball is played in NY that would mean at best the school year is half over when these high schoolers get blipped back into existence and at worst almost over (I’m leaning more toward March since I’m Endgames it doesn’t look particularly cold for upstate NY meaning it may be spring time). Like I said outside of the opening and briefly mentioning Brad I wouldn’t think this world had suffered a catastrophic even where half the population is snapped from existence and been absent for 5 years

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Thank you

 

[Batmannerism]

Now I want to start by saying I have always wanted Spider-Man to be in the MCU and was initially excited after Civil War despite being kinda shoehorned in. However Homecoming and FFH have been nothing short but complete disappointments and Holland just isn't great in those movies unlike the Avengers movies. But even then his Spider-Man is easily my least favorite of the three. I do put Homecoming and FFH above TASM2 but below every other Spider-Man movie. Simply put here is a few reason why I feel he has been the worst Spider-man

1. The suit- When I first saw the Spider-Man suit I hated it. I hated the web pattern, I hated the piping it just didn't do it for me and I also hated the hexagon spider symbol. What is worse is there was a test suit that looks MUCH better than the final product.
This was also coming off TASM2 suit which is just a masterpiece. As if that wasn't bad enough Marvel decided instead of Peter making his suit it was given to him by Papa Iron Man (that'll be a theme) coming with all these new bells and whistles and then promptly introduced the red and black suit which feel like it'll be his new main suit. Peter is suppose to be a genius yet he can't invent his own tech? Also if that red and black suit isn't leading to Superior Spider-Man I'll be pissed
The Iron Spider in Infinity War and Endgame was good though (I'm a sucker for large bold symbols) but knowing what we could've from the comics gotten pisses me off

2. Isn't relatable- A big part of Spider-man is how he is a regular kid mostly who just happened to get super powers (minus being able to make web but hey stretch your disbelief). Here though he is Iron Man's chosen one and is gifted with all this new stuff. The Raimi and Webb movies nailed this aspect unlike the MCU. He goes to what looks like a higher end public school or private school that can afford trips to DC and Europe, that has chemicals to make spider web, he gets all this tech from Stark and is treated like the chosen one. People complain about Peter having special blood in TASM but this is far more egregious

3. Personal life struggles- Another big facet to Peter Parker and going hand and hand with the previous point is he is essentially a loser plain and simply. He struggles at his jobs, can't pay his rent, has girl problems etc. Here we get none of that. The Raimi movies did it fantastic and Webb did a decent job but here it is thrown out. Aunt May being a struggling single parent? Nah let's have a cool young May who can take care of peter and pay off living in a decently sized apartment in NYC. Having problem paying rent? Nope not an issue and apparently can pay the electricity to charge the Iron Spider. Peter school life hurting because of his duty as Spider-Man? What a joke he can skip out on detention or decathlon club and not get any meaningful consequence. Why should've I care about this Spider-man now?

4. Peter Parker and Spider-Man- A lot of people say Andrew Garfield's Peter Parker was bad but one thing you can't deny is how different Peter Parker and Spider-Man was. Peter is shown to be quiet, polite and nervous around girls. In the MCU Peter and Spider-man are basically the same character. I really can't tell any difference between Peter Parker and Spider-man

5. Lack of consequence- This focuses more on Homecoming but it does a little but for FFH however Peter just doesn't suffer any consequences. FFH was a little better but it would've been better if it didn't come from Peter making stupid decisions and if one of his classmates or teachers died. As I mentioned before he doesn't get kicked off the decathlon team or anything like that. I guess he lost his suit but it was of course the message of you're more than a suit that Iron Man went through in Iron Man 3 but it doesn't work here because unlike Iron Man Peter has super powers and even made his own webs unlike Stark who is a regular person without his suit. The closest we get it Liz having to move which should be heartbreaking but A. she was underdeveloped and B. MJ is just there to take her place and for her to never be mentioned again. That moves onto

6. Worst love interests- Gwen Stacy was amazing in TASM movies and while MJ was a bit dull in the Raimi trilogy they are still way better than Liz or MJ in the MCU. Liz simply isn't given any time to be developed and is just Peter's high school crush. He likes her because she is smart and hot and popular but we learn barely anything of her interests or ambitions and then is promptly written out at the end killing any chance for her to be developed later especially knowing her father was Vulture. Now Michelle "MJ" Jones is a little better but still incredibly underdeveloped and having her take Mary Jane Watson's role is just insult to injury

7. Action and movement- The action and the movement of Spider-Man in the mcu is incredibly underwhelming which I can't understand why given what we got in TASM2 which had the best web slinging and crawling (I always loved how Spider-Man crawled like an actual spider). The action is also incredibly bland compared to the Raimi trilogy or TASM and on top of that Spider-Man pretty much always gets his assed kicked in these movies. It makes me wonder what Iron Man saw in Peter

8. Weak supporting cast- Even though this is probably the largest supporting cast it is also the weakest. None of the decathlon kids have any personality or gets developed outside of just being Peter's vague friends. Ned was OK but nothing special and again Aunt May is just terrible. In the Raimi trilogy basically everyone has their quirks like JJJ or even Betty. Harry though is way better than Ned and could've had an interesting payoff in Spider-man 3 and although his arc was rushed in TASM2 Harry is still a lot better than Ned and Dane DeHaan was actually pretty good as Harry but just needed a better script. I even question why Peter needed to have a clique

9. Missed potential. Maybe it was just the fact the Sony-Marvel deal came so late but it is honestly such wasted potential that we will never see Spider-Man be a full on Avenger with the classic Avengers. On top of that the snap was also a wasted opportunity. They basically play it off as a joke and as an excuse to introduce Brad (who is just the worst). How convenient that literally all the supporting cast including May, Ned and MJ were snapped away so they can all come back in this movie. Remember how when Scott Lang came back he found his daughter grown up? It would've been awesome seeing these kids adapting to a new world and how half the people they grew up with are now older than them. FFH barely feels like a movie set in a recovery earth after the apocalypse and the only hints we get at were the opening and them briefly mentioning how Brad is a cool hunk now. They also wasted the opportunity to have FFH be about Peter taking up the responsibility of Iron Man and losing his father figure. It is barely a part of the movie

10. Too much Iron Man focus- I really get what they were going for but Iron Man just comes off as borderline replacing Uncle Ben. They just made Iron Man way too much of a focus or focus on the wrong elements. Like I said FFH should've been about Peter coping with losing another father figure in a span of a few years. But instead they decide to focus on Iron Man's technology, Happy Hogan banging Aunt May and how Peter wants to be like Iron Man

I've seen a lot of people mention how Miles should've been Spider-Man given the similarities and maybe it would've been better but all I known is what we got has been disappointing. I just don't understand the love this Spider-man gets over Tobey or even Andrew. I see people praise Holland for looking like an actual teenager or more of a focus on high school but I feel like the core of Spider-Man has been left out. It almost feels like Marvel has focused on the superficial of Spider-Man. As an example I saw a video playing Peter Parker and Peter B Parker's monologues from Spiderverse side by side and someone commented the PP is what casual fans think Spider-Man is like and PBP is what Spider-Man is actual like in the comics and I have to say I feel like sony, marvel, disney, Jon Watts or whoever views Spider-Man like a casual fan. They focus on the heroic and fun elements of Spider-man which isn't entirely wrong but leaving out his personal life takes out some of the most interesting aspects of the character. I also get there is a need to make this Spider-Man different from the previous two but I just feel the changes haven't been good changes. I don't mind change but it has to be good

TL;DR: MCU Spider-man just lacks the main essence of Spider-Man and couple that with an uninteresting supporting cast, terrible suits, mediocre action and too much Iron Man focus it just makes a character who looks and acts like Spider-Man but never really feel like him

I disagree with pretty much all of that. To me this Spidey feels like a somewhat geeky teenager who gets more wrong than right.

Anyway, agree to disagree I guess. I know @Spider-Aziz , my friend,is not a fan of the current Spider Man, he might agree with some of what you've said.

Cheers.

 

[Herofan]

I also dislike this version of the character. I'm indifferent to the look of the suit but don't like that it's an technology/computer system suit. Him generally be a beneficiary and protege and follower of Tony and not have to work are big changes for the worse, that felt like Marvel just wanting to promote more Tony and the Avengers and not being interested in photography (or financial struggles) just because that was already done.

As I mentioned before he doesn't get kicked off the decathlon team or anything like that.

What is even worse for me, the film doesn't make you care about that he's on the team or could get kicked off, you get the sense he doesn't care about it, doesn't real care about his academics in general (in fact, he wants to quit high school, doesn't want to have a career or life aside from being Spider-Man).

I guess he lost his suit but it was of course the message of you're more than a suit that Iron Man went through in Iron Man 3 but it doesn't work here because unlike Iron Man Peter has super powers and even made his own webs unlike Stark who is a regular person without his suit.

That message and story were worthless. Peter "realizes" he doesn't need the tech in his super-tech suit (which yes should be pretty obvious), turns down a super-duper-tech suit, and gets and uses his super-tech suit back anyway.

Worst love interests- Gwen Stacy was amazing in TASM movies and while MJ was a bit dull in the Raimi trilogy they are still way better than Liz or MJ in the MCU. Liz simply isn't given any time to be developed and is just Peter's high school crush. He likes her because she is smart and hot and popular but we learn barely anything of her interests or ambitions and then is promptly written out at the end killing any chance for her to be developed later especially knowing her father was Vulture.

I did like Liz (she and the relationship felt pretty true to the comics while also modernized) even though she didn't have a lot of depth, that's OK, a supporting character and crush/brief relationship doesn't have to have a lot of depth.

Now Michelle "MJ" Jones is a little better but still incredibly underdeveloped and having her take Mary Jane Watson's role is just insult to injury

Ned was OK but nothing special and again Aunt May is just terrible.

I haven't seen FFH but from Homecoming both Michelle and Ned thought they were likeable and appealing, the characters and film acted as if they were loveable, but I didn't think they were, I thought they were actually very annoying. I thought Aunt May was fine (like Liz, her and her relationship with Peter were close to the comics while also modernized), though I don't like the idea of her getting with Happy Hogan.

I have always wanted Spider-Man to be in the MCU and was initially excited after Civil War despite being kinda shoehorned in.

I thought it was a bad start for him to side with Iron Man seemingly just because Iron Man got to him first, for the film to show him as fighting without knowing or caring about why Captain America was rogue or what the issues of the conflict were.

 

[Zarex]

There are certain aspects of MCU Spidey I don't care for, including the fact that Sony and Marvel appear to have randomly assigned character names from the comics to his supporting cast. But overall I think they did an excellent job with the reboot.

The Home films have been less weighty than the Raimi trilogy, but I'm glad they didn't just repeat what Sam had already done. I can always rewatch those. This Peter is less of a Debbie Downer than Toby's version and not as big of a d-bag than Andrew's Spidey and I'm ok with that. And I LOVE MCU Peter's relationships with Tony Stark, his cool Aunt May and Ned/Ganke.

As for the kids easy adjustment to the Blip? Well, that's kids for you! They've gotten used to school shootings and Covid. Worrying about stupid stuff like class assignments after a five year time loss seems on point.

Overall it's a strong series and hopefully rumors of us getting the Amazing Friends for the next film prove to be correct.

 

[Redd5]

There are certain aspects of MCU Spidey I don't care for, including the fact that Sony and Marvel appear to have randomly assigned character names from the comics to his supporting cast. But overall I think they did an excellent job with the reboot.

The Home films have been less weighty than the Raimi trilogy, but I'm glad they didn't just repeat what Sam had already done. I can always rewatch those. This Peter is less of a Debbie Downer than Toby's version and not as big of a d-bag than Andrew's Spidey and I'm ok with that. And I LOVE MCU Peter's relationships with Tony Stark, his cool Aunt May and Ned/Ganke.

As for the kids easy adjustment to the Blip? Well, that's kids for you! They've gotten used to school shootings and Covid. Worrying about stupid stuff like class assignments after a five year time loss seems on point.

Overall it's a strong series and hopefully rumors of us getting the Amazing Friends for the next film prove to be correct.

I’m sorry but that is just insulting. First off FFH was released before COVID and is set in like 2025 so even if we assume the COVID breakout still happened in the mcu they weren’t around for it. Even if you make the argument they’re kids they’ll get over it (which I’d say would be the opposite) that doesn’t make for interesting story. For example it’d be pretty easy to say the world could theoretically get use to Superman in Man or Steel because hey we’ve had mythology of gods and aliens but it wouldn’t make an interesting story. I mean these kids straight up died. They didn’t just vanish to some alternate dimension for five years sitting around until Hulk brought them back they straight up died. Remember how horrifying the snap was in infinity war? Well it’s now a joke. On top of that the supply and demand would be completely skewed meaning there are probably shortages of housing, food etc. this just doesn’t feel like a recovery world. Side note assuming Aunt May was snapped away how did she keep their apartment? That place would’ve been rented out within 5 years

also how was Peter a d bag in TASM? Was it because he broke George Stacy’s promise?

 

[Zarex]

I’m sorry but that is just insulting. First off FFH was released before COVID and is set in like 2025 so even if we assume the COVID breakout still happened in the mcu they weren’t around for it. Even if you make the argument they’re kids they’ll get over it (which I’d say would be the opposite) that doesn’t make for interesting story. For example it’d be pretty easy to say the world could theoretically get use to Superman in Man or Steel because hey we’ve had mythology of gods and aliens but it wouldn’t make an interesting story. I mean these kids straight up died. They didn’t just vanish to some alternate dimension for five years sitting around until Hulk brought them back they straight up died. Remember how horrifying the snap was in infinity war? Well it’s now a joke. On top of that the supply and demand would be completely skewed meaning there are probably shortages of housing, food etc. this just doesn’t feel like a recovery world. Side note assuming Aunt May was snapped away how did she keep their apartment? That place would’ve been rented out within 5 years

If I knew you were so easily offended I never would have responded.

Anyhoo, what Covid and school shootings have shown is that young folks are often sufficiently pliable to handle great awfulness that would crush their elders. Even giving the dusting a cute name like The Blip is evidence of that. And a 50% population reduction would have led to an oversupply of housing.

The Sony/MCU Spidey films are designed as John Hughes style teen comedies, and I would say they succeed at that mission. They are clearly lightweight flicks, akin to 70s era Marvel Team Up mags. Those looking for a different interpretation still have the Raimi films.

also how was Peter a d bag in TASM? Was it because he broke George Stacy’s promise?

That, along with bullying Flash and common criminals.

 

[Redd5]

If I knew you were so easily offended I never would have responded.

Anyhoo, what Covid and school shootings have shown is that young folks are often sufficiently pliable to handle great awfulness that would crush their elders. Even giving the dusting a cute name like The Blip is evidence of that. And a 50% population reduction would have led to an oversupply of housing.

The Sony/MCU Spidey films are designed as John Hughes style teen comedies, and I would say they succeed at that mission. They are clearly lightweight flicks, akin to 70s era Marvel Team Up mags. Those looking for a different interpretation still have the Raimi films.

That, along with bullying Flash and common criminals.

Im not offended

No these things have not proved younger people can handle them and is quite the opposite. Regardless like I said from a thematic point of view it isn't interesting. You can write that off for plenty of movies but then it wouldn't be interesting. There is an interesting story of how these kids are essentially displaced. Take Young Justice and when the real Roy Harper was found. He was furious and distraught over the fact he lost 5 years of his life and his arm and had a hard time adjusting to how things were now. That would've been amazing but no just have a teen romcom roadtrip movie. Imagine if Ant Man acted like everything was fine after coming out from the quantum realm. Also the philosophy of resources is that people will always consume more than they need hence why Thanos halved the universe instead of doubling the resources. A surplus just means people will consume even more and eventually it will dry up and return to the status quo and five years is plenty of time for the surplus to dry up. it also doesn't help that Thanos also halved the animal population which can be considered a resource. I mean look at how NY was in Endgame how it looked somehow more crowded. The point is the world should be recovering but it isn't in FFH

And I feel that is why the MCU Spidey movies haven't been great. Spider-Man rarely focused on high school and still relies on tropes and cliche that are 30 years old. Maybe if they made his high school life interesting but they don't. He doesn't care about school so why should the audience care? We don't see his grades struggle or losing friends or anything with his double life. Liz simply wasn't a good love interest and it became transparent MJ would just take her place. FFH should've been an evolution for Peter instead of remaining the same as he was in Homecoming

Flash deserved it he was an *******. Even then what about Maguire humiliating Flash and punching him across the hall? Even then at least Ben scolded Peter for humiliating Flash. And Spider-Man toying with the criminal was funny and classic Spidey. He has always been kinda cocky and lighthearted when dealing with petty crooks who again are criminals so I personally think it is ok to be a little bit of a d-bag to criminals and bullies

 

[Venom 1988]

TC's account was created on a Friday and his first posts are tiresome and long winded rants. Nothing weird about that...

 

[Marvel united]

I think the issue I have with these films (Far From Home in particular), is the lack of dramatic weight. The movies don't seem to want to commit to/follow through with it's ideas in a satisfying dramatic payoff.

It seems like the writers go out of their way to avoid the more weighty elements of the Spider-Man franchise (See Aunt May)

 

[Darkprime]

I will admit at the beginning I was disappointed with Holland's casting but his spider-man grew on me especially after Infinity War like how could you not like him after that performance? Initially I thought that Andrew Garfield would have done really well along side the other the Avengers as a more equal spider-man to the other Avengers. But that didn't end up being the direction Feige and Pascal wanted to go in.

I do hope Holland sticks around for the long game. I believe Feige once referred to the Harry Potter franchise as inspiration for the MCU Spider-Man so hopefully Holland continues to grow into the role and we get that more mature standalone spider-man a lot of people want. And maybe a little less Tony Stark influence on the character. As much as we all love Tony Stark his influence on Spidey is a little overpowering. Obviously it will always be there but can we just move away from it a tiny bit? And please give us more Spidey in NYC. That was a great tease in FFH.

I've often wondered if Marvel not owning the full rights is a reason why this spider-man feels a bit disjointed for some people? Marvel didn't want to go all in on the best possible version they could offer in case they ever get the rights back down the road.

 

[Redd5]

I will admit at the beginning I was disappointed with Holland's casting but his spider-man grew on me especially after Infinity War like how could you not like him after that performance? Initially I thought that Andrew Garfield would have done really well along side the other the Avengers as a more equal spider-man to the other Avengers. But that didn't end up being the direction Feige and Pascal wanted to go in.

I do hope Holland sticks around for the long game. I believe Feige once referred to the Harry Potter franchise as inspiration for the MCU Spider-Man so hopefully Holland continues to grow into the role and we get that more mature standalone spider-man a lot of people want. And maybe a little less Tony Stark influence on the character. As much as we all love Tony Stark his influence on Spidey is a little overpowering. Obviously it will always be there but can we just move away from it a tiny bit? And please give us more Spidey in NYC. That was a great tease in FFH.

I've often wondered if Marvel not owning the full rights is a reason why this spider-man feels a bit disjointed for some people? Marvel didn't want to go all in on the best possible version they could offer in case they ever get the rights back down the road.

That is a bit of the dilemma I have. I liked him in the Russo movies but his solo movies have been disappointing. The only way I’d be excited for Spiderman HOM3 is if the Russos direct or write it. They seem to be basically the only people at marvel who understand Spider-Man

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Marvel Studios didn't want to repeat the Raimi and Garfield films. They wanted something original yet true to the spirit of Spider-man comics and I think they've achieved that.

Iron Man standing in as Uncle Ben, Ned being the best friend instead of Harry, hi tech suit instead of low tech, believable high school setting instead of 27 year old Peter, young hottie Aunt May instead of elderly Aunt May, etc all these changes are used effectively and I enjoyed them all.

Yes the films lack the universal praise of SM2 but people forget there have been 9 Spider-man movies. You can't just have MJ get kidnapped again with Harry seeking revenge on Spidey for a 3rd or fourth time. That stuff gets stale.

In fact the Spider-man movies have declined at the box office since Spider-man 1 that is until Spider-man Homecoming which reversed the trend and Far From Home which continued the upward trend. Also critics and fans enjoy the films which is not easy after 9 films later.

And for the few of us that never liked the earlier Spider-man movies, the new films are a godsend. The low points are rare and when the films aim for the fences they hit home runs (trapped Peter and scary Keaton in Homecoming, Mysterio's illusion and the twist in Far From Home).

Overall they are very solid Spidey films that keep things fresh and loyal to the comics at the same time.

 

[Zant]

 

[Web-Head]

Marvel Studios didn't want to repeat the Raimi and Garfield films. They wanted something original yet true to the spirit of Spider-man comics and I think they've achieved that.

Iron Man standing in as Uncle Ben, Ned being the best friend instead of Harry, hi tech suit instead of low tech, believable high school setting instead of 27 year old Peter, young hottie Aunt May instead of elderly Aunt May, etc all these changes are used effectively and I enjoyed them all.

Yes the films lack the universal praise of SM2 but people forget there have been 9 Spider-man movies. You can't just have MJ get kidnapped again with Harry seeking revenge on Spidey for a 3rd or fourth time. That stuff gets stale.

In fact the Spider-man movies have declined at the box office since Spider-man 1 that is until Spider-man Homecoming which reversed the trend and Far From Home which continued the upward trend. Also critics and fans enjoy the films which is not easy after 9 films later.

And for the few of us that never liked the earlier Spider-man movies, the new films are a godsend. The low points are rare and when the films aim for the fences they hit home runs (trapped Peter and scary Keaton in Homecoming, Mysterio's illusion and the twist in Far From Home).

Overall they are very solid Spidey films that keep things fresh and loyal to the comics at the same time.

I'm not sure how you can say "loyal to the comics" when you mention all the unnecessary changes they made. Nothing about Spider-Man worshipping the Avengers and being more upset about Tony's death than his own uncle who raised him screams "loyal to the comics" to me

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I'm not sure how you can say "loyal to the comics" when you mention all the unnecessary changes they made. Nothing about Spider-Man worshipping the Avengers and being more upset about Tony's death than his own uncle who raised him screams "loyal to the comics" to me

Would a 15 year old Peter Parker be star struck by the Avengers? I think so.

Any kid would. It's like a 15 year old basketball player meeting Michael Jordan or Kobe. OF COURSE they would be star struck.

So that's just Marvel Studios using the chance to crossover franchises to explore how a teenage superhero would react to being mentored by Tony Stark and joining the Avengers. It would be like a teenager going on tour with the biggest rockband. A dream come true.

The lessons Peter learns from Tony are very loyal to the comics though it's new material. Parker learns that he can't rely on a hi tech suit. That his own ingenuity and courage is more important. That's classic Spider-man imo. Not because it's canon but because it easily could be canon.

Lastly the reason Tony is a mentor is because we saw Uncle Ben's origin story fully explored twice already. Audiences are tired of Peter crying over Uncle Ben. It starts to become self parody at some point where audiences roll their eyes. Marvel and Into the Spider-verse were wise to vaguely reference Uncle Ben in heart felt yet brief moments.

Marvel is exploring new territory while staying true to the spirit of the comics. There's nothing that occurs in the MCU Spidey appearances that would feel out of place in the comics. That's good adaptation.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

Tom Holland’s Spidey is ok. He’s definitely got the personality traits but I don’t like the fact that he’s basically an Iron Man Jr.

Don’t care for his friends either. Ned sucks. I find him annoying and they could have easily put Harry in Ned’s place.

 

[Web-Head]

Would a 15 year old Peter Parker be star struck by the Avengers? I think so.

Any kid would. It's like a 15 year old basketball player meeting Michael Jordan or Kobe. OF COURSE they would be star struck.

So that's just Marvel Studios using the chance to crossover franchises to explore how a teenage superhero would react to being mentored by Tony Stark and joining the Avengers. It would be like a teenager going on tour with the biggest rockband. A dream come true.

The lessons Peter learns from Tony are very loyal to the comics though it's new material. Parker learns that he can't rely on a hi tech suit. That his own ingenuity and courage is more important. That's classic Spider-man imo. Not because it's canon but because it easily could be canon.

Lastly the reason Tony is a mentor is because we saw Uncle Ben's origin story fully explored twice already. Audiences are tired of Peter crying over Uncle Ben. It starts to become self parody at some point where audiences roll their eyes. Marvel and Into the Spider-verse were wise to vaguely reference Uncle Ben in heart felt yet brief moments.

Marvel is exploring new territory while staying true to the spirit of the comics. There's nothing that occurs in the MCU Spidey appearances that would feel out of place in the comics. That's good adaptation.

Peter isn't just "any kid" and never was. Being star struck by the Avengers is one thing, but Peter Parker never worshipped them or cared all that much about the Avengers.

Nope. Nobody is asking to see Uncle Ben die again, but maybe at least acknowledge the fact that he's the reason he became Spider-Man? Sure, you have that line in Civil War and when he took his suitcase with him in FFH, but at the end of the movie Peter and May just laugh off the fact that it blew up? Okay... All I wanted in FFH was one little line. You're telling me when Peter and Happy are having their heart to heart on the private jet that Peter couldn't have added one quick line about first losing his Uncle Ben and now Tony? That wouldn't have been so hard. Spiderverse did do a great job because they actually acknowledged the fact that Uncle Ben is the reason (most) of the Spider-Men in it became Spider-Man.

You simply cannot do Spider-Man without acknowledging Uncle Ben. That's like doing Batman without his parents getting murdered or Superman without the Kent's.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Peter isn't just "any kid" and never was. Being star struck by the Avengers is one thing, but Peter Parker never worshipped them or cared all that much about the Avengers.

Nope. Nobody is asking to see Uncle Ben die again, but maybe at least acknowledge the fact that he's the reason he became Spider-Man? Sure, you have that line in Civil War and when he took his suitcase with him in FFH, but at the end of the movie Peter and May just laugh off the fact that it blew up? Okay... All I wanted in FFH was one little line. You're telling me when Peter and Happy are having their heart to heart on the private jet that Peter couldn't have added one quick line about first losing his Uncle Ben and now Tony? That wouldn't have been so hard. Spiderverse did do a great job because they actually acknowledged the fact that Uncle Ben is the reason (most) of the Spider-Men in it became Spider-Man.

You simply cannot do Spider-Man without acknowledging Uncle Ben. That's like doing Batman without his parents getting murdered or Superman without the Kent's.

Peter Parker always had mentor issues with scientist he looked up to. And Tony Stark was his mentor in the comics. That's were Iron Spidey came from, the comics.

Did they emphasize how much Peter's humble roots conflicted with the legend of Tony Stark? No but this is a perfect example of Parker's blue collar problems and should be explored. Parker was always a prodigy with relatable problems (girls, money, father figures).

The thing is Holland isn't Iron Man Jr. That's the whole theme of Far From Home. Happy even tells Peter he'll never live up to Tony Starks legend, to embrace his own gifts. But just like the conics, Peter turns his back on a responsibility and gives EDITH (Even Dead I'm The Hero) to Mysterio and learns again with great power comes responsibility.

Should Uncle Ben been central to this message? Audiences don't currently have a close connection to Uncle Ben and doing the origin story again was not an option. You want Marvel to reference Uncle Ben once? They did.

A sad Parker tells Tony, "When you can do the things that I can, but you don't, and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you."

If you reference Uncle Ben by name it starts to feel forced. They way Marvel handled it was clever.

And just because every Batman movie shows his parents getting shot doesn't mean it's necessary or impactful. Also it's normal for Batman to sulk over his dead parents endlessly, not for Peter Parker. The Kent's are typically living characters Clark still talks to. It's not the same as Uncle Ben who died before Parker became Spider-man.

Into the Spider-verse did something brilliant and essential. They pointed out Uncle Ben is a universal character. Everyone has a mentor, friend, hero they will lose and are then forced to grow. That is true to the spirit of Spider-man whether you use Dr. Connor, Norman Osborne, or Tony Stark.