Smallville 11.1 - Guardian - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[SpideyVille]

The thing that I was hoping for was that the Lex that die ended up being an early clone, and that the real Lex was still healing somewhere. But they were very confident in saying the real Lex died and I just don't like the idea of knowing Lex is now a clone who lost most of his memory.

I also didn't understand how the clones knew about Clark and his relationship with Lois.

 

[Brainiac 8]

To be honest, who cares of the Lex is a clone. Mentally he's still the Lex we love to hate.

In the comics, Lex has used clones to cheat death on many occasions. The current Lex in the comics is just one of many clones he has used and had his memories/mind transfered into.

 

[Webhead2006]

Oh I know we where told it was lex in the show. But at the time of the event before we had total word it was for sure him. Many had other theories or that that like was a clone or what not.

 

[Doc Ock]

Personally I still don't think the Lex is a clone but the original Lex with clone parts. But thats just me and I guess I'm in the minority.

Its good to have Lex either way!

 

[Johnny]

I would really like to know what Triplet thinks of the comic. I miss her awesome reviews. Doesn't she post here anymore?

 

[Webhead2006]

Haven't seen her around in ages. I am sure she can be contacted through email/facebook or something.

 

[O'Haire]

Cat Staggs original untouched art.

Should of left the pic of Superman alone and just digitally fixed the background.
Untouched version looks a lot more like Tom.

 

[Johnny]

The "touched" version looks just like Tom, too. I'm glad she did it. This looks awesome too.

 

[Young Superman]

Cat Staggs original untouched art.

Should of left the pic of Superman alone and just digitally fixed the background.
Untouched version looks a lot more like Tom.

Cool

 

[BritishChap007]

Woah...I think the touched one looks way more like Tom. Not sure who the guy on the unaltered one is...

 

[Rockstar]

Are you sure the "nasty" explosion reduced him to ashes?

How else would it have turned out?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZJkXCDw5y5Y#t=277s


He got burned to a crisp.

 

[Odneyson]

He got burned to a crisp.

Crisp = pile of ash?

 

[Johnny]

The burned hand says it all. It is the original Lex "repaired" with different body parts of the clones and Lionel's heart. Whether it makes sense or not, considering the explosion, it doesn't matter. It is the original Lex. Again, wouldn't matter to me if it was a clone, I'm just glad he's here.

 

[Webhead2006]

Ya cats covers are dead on. Its frank who did lousy covers in my opinion.

 

[Rockstar]

The burned hand says it all. It is the original Lex "repaired" with different body parts of the clones and Lionel's heart. Whether it makes sense or not, considering the explosion, it doesn't matter. It is the original Lex. Again, wouldn't matter to me if it was a clone, I'm just glad he's here.

How can they repair a burned corpse with living body parts?


Zombie Lex?

 

[Johnny]

Go ask the writers. Maybe they took a page out of Blackest Night or something. I don't really think this is a big deal at all. Smallville had much worse retcons/inconsistencies/plotholes.

 

[Rockstar]

It's not a retcon, inconsistency or plothole.

The finale never outright stated that it was the real Lex. They just said this Lex was made from the best parts of the clones.

 

[Indy Flash]

Cat Staggs original untouched art.

Should of left the pic of Superman alone and just digitally fixed the background.
Untouched version looks a lot more like Tom.

Awesome.

 

[Johnny]

It's not a retcon, inconsistency or plothole.

The finale never outright stated that it was the real Lex. They just said this Lex was made from the best parts of the clones.

And this is such a big deal why? Someone pointed out already, Lex had more than one clone in the comics. He transferred his brain in new bodies and all sorts of crazy stuff. Why is this so important to you? Clone or not, this is totally something Lex Luthor would do.

 

[Rockstar]

The brain of the real Lex wouldn't have survived that explosion intact.

The Lex in the finale is a clone.

It's not a big deal to me, it was addressing a question someone initially asked.


The big deal to me is Lex getting mindwiped in the finale with such a lame deus ex machina. Way to ruin his character.

 

[KalKai]

Best chapter yet.

The exploding baby got a mention.

Who or what came down?

 

[SpideyVille]

The brain of the real Lex wouldn't have survived that explosion intact.

The Lex in the finale is a clone.

It's not a big deal to me, it was addressing a question someone initially asked.


The big deal to me is Lex getting mindwiped in the finale with such a lame deus ex machina. Way to ruin his character.

You see, that's what bothers me even more about the whole Lex thing. It's basically like the Lex we end up with at the end is not the same Lex we learned to love to hate for the whole series. It was seven seasons of character build up that was erased in 30 seconds.

 

[Dangerman]

This is good but I am starting to see this series is more like Superman: For Tomorrow where it is good all by itself but will be much better when collected altogether.

 

[Rockstar]

You see, that's what bothers me even more about the whole Lex thing. It's basically like the Lex we end up with at the end is not the same Lex we learned to love to hate for the whole series. It was seven seasons of character build up that was erased in 30 seconds.

Smallville is infamous for its fake-outs.

 

[Johnny]

The brain of the real Lex wouldn't have survived that explosion intact.

The Lex in the finale is a clone.

It's not a big deal to me, it was addressing a question someone initially asked.


The big deal to me is Lex getting mindwiped in the finale with such a lame deus ex machina. Way to ruin his character.

This didn't bother me that much. I didn't like it but the scene was so good that it didn't leave such a bad taste in my mouth. Lex always used to blame someone else for turning into who he was in the end. He blamed his dad or Clark or whoever else, and could never admit even to himself that he was the one who chose to take that path. And in that final scene where Tess put the toxin on him and told him she won't become like him cuz Clark already saved her, it was kinda the moment of realization for Lex. The look on his face said that he finally realized he was the only one to blame for who he became. And the fact that this was his last realization before his memories got wiped out, make this even more melancholic. At least to me.

So even though I disagree with this as a creative decision by the producers, the way it was played out was great. That's why when I remember it, it doesn't bother me this very much.