12 killed in Colorado shooting at Dark Knight Rises premiere - Part 1

[Kelly]

You beat me to it. I was going to say "Wait!" Let's see what CD's he has and games he's been playing!"

What? I didn't say that.....

 

[mrvlknight21]

What do they hunt, and what is left of what they hunt? I come from a family of hunters, and NONE of them would even think of using an AR15 or anything like it...that's stupid.

Wow. Pretty judgmental about people choosing to purchase/use certain firearms. Why is it stupid exactly? Just because your family of hunters wouldnt think of using an AR15 to hunt doesnt mean its not a viable firearm for that task.
Perhaps a person is a former or current military/police and are comfortable using that platform. Maybe they decided start hunting and already have that rifle available to use. Why would they purchase another rifle just to start a new hobby? That would seem stupid to me.

I personally dont hunt, but I do own an Ar15. What do you mean by "what is left of what they hunt?" The .223 and 5.56 are pretty small rounds compared to a lot of typical hunting rounds (like the .308). So, Im not sure where you are going with that comment.

Finally, yes, I do personally know people that hunt deer with AR15s and AR10s. Again, I dont, but if I ever decided to or needed to, I would certainly be comfortable taking my Ar15 to hunt.

Also, I mentioned a few other activities that one could use the AR15 for, not just hunting and I also never said it was a prime firearm for self protection, although your reaction to my first post seemed to make me think that was all that I said.

 

[Ilayda]

I still cant believe this. He thinks he is the joker...And this man supposed to be a grown up. There are some kids, they jump from the building cause they think they are pokemon. What about this one? 12 people died exactly for nothing and thats too sad...
There is nothing to blame to the movies or other shows when things happen like this. The court needs to sentence him forever in a small room. Then the other freaks wont dare to do something like that crazy!!

 

[Kelly]

Wow. Pretty judgmental about people choosing to purchase/use certain firearms. Why is it stupid exactly? Just because your family of hunters wouldnt think of using an AR15 to hunt doesnt mean its not a viable firearm for that task.
Perhaps a person is a former or current military/police and are comfortable using that platform. Maybe they decided start hunting and already have that rifle available to use. Why would they purchase another rifle just to start a new hobby? That would seem stupid to me.

I personally dont hunt, but I do own an Ar15. What do you mean by "what is left of what they hunt?" The .223 and 5.56 are pretty small rounds compared to a lot of typical hunting rounds (like the .308). So, Im not sure where you are going with that comment.

Finally, yes, I do personally know people that hunt deer with AR15s and AR10s. Again, I dont, but if I ever decided to or needed to, I would certainly be comfortable taking my Ar15 to hunt.

Also, I mentioned a few other activities that one could use the AR15 for, not just hunting and I also never said it was a prime firearm for self protection, although your reaction to my first post seemed to make me think that was all that I said.

I'm not judging anyone....there are firearms to hunt, firearms for competition.....the AR15 were developed for NEITHER OF THOSE THINGS they were developed to kill people in war.....that is not judgment that is fact.....

 

[mrvlknight21]

I'm not judging anyone....there are firearms to hunt, firearms for competition.....the AR15 were developed for NEITHER OF THOSE THINGS they were developed to kill people in war.....that is not judgment that is fact.....

So....because it was "developed to kill people in war" it would be stupid to hunt with it?
You straight up said that
I come from a family of hunters, and NONE of them would even think of using an AR15 or anything like it...that's stupid.


So you either think that the idea of using the AR15 to hunt is stupid or the person using the Ar15 to hunt is stupid. Your comment that "that's stupid" is judgmental.

I gave some examples of why/how the AR15 might be used as a hunting firearm. You didnt comment on that and simply said it was made for war. Your comments also make me think that you disagree with using the AR15 for competitions is not a good idea because it was made for war. I dont get it.

Skateboards were originally made for recreation, not transportation or to win a medal at the X-games, so if you purchase/use a skateboard for something other than recreation, is that stupid too?

 

[Kelly]

So....because it was "developed to kill people in war" it would be stupid to hunt with it?
You straight up said that
I come from a family of hunters, and NONE of them would even think of using an AR15 or anything like it...that's stupid.


So you either think that the idea of using the AR15 to hunt is stupid or the person using the Ar15 to hunt is stupid. Your comment that "that's stupid" is judgmental.

I gave some examples of why/how the AR15 might be used as a hunting firearm. You didnt comment on that and simply said it was made for war. Your comments also make me think that you disagree with using the AR15 for competitions is not a good idea because it was made for war. I dont get it.

Skateboards were originally made for recreation, not transportation or to win a medal at the X-games, so if you purchase/use a skateboard for something other than recreation, is that stupid too?

Is it my opinion that it is stupid to hunt with an AR 15....yes. Skateboards are not used in mass killings....so I really don't have an opinion on them. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings, but that is how I feel.

 

[Cobblepot]

You bought an Ar15 for one reason, 'cause you thinks it's cool and it makes you feel badass.
Same reason a lot of minors start drinking and smoking. It's dumb and should be banned.

 

[mrvlknight21]

Is it my opinion that it is stupid to hunt with an AR 15....yes. Skateboards are not used in mass killings....so I really don't have an opinion on them. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings, but that is how I feel.

LOL. You didnt hurt my feelings. You just disregarded some of the things I said, which are also facts (some people hunt with AR15s, etc).
Again, I dont hunt at all, but if I did, I would use mine, as I have nothing else that could take down a deer (assuming that is what I am hunting of course).
Oh and I know NOTHING about skateboarding, that was just the first thing that came to mind.

You bought an Ar15 for one reason, 'cause you thinks it's cool and it makes you feel badass.
Same reason a lot of minors start drinking and smoking. It's dumb and should be banned.

Are you talking to me?
If so, STRONG assumption on your part.
If not, disregard.
If you want to know why I purchased an AR15, just ask.
(pssst....Im in law enforcement).

 

[Kelly]

LOL. You didnt hurt my feelings. You just disregarded some of the things I said, which are also facts (some people hunt with AR15s, etc).
Again, I dont hunt at all, but if I did, I would use mine, as I have nothing else that could take down a deer (assuming that is what I am hunting of course).
Oh and I know NOTHING about skateboarding, that was just the first thing that came to mind.

I didn't disregard what you said, it just didn't change my opinion...

 

[Cobblepot]

As (was) I, I used to be a member of the dutch Military Police and Immigration.

Why would you have the need for an AR15 as a civilian, other than the fact it makes you feel tough in the shooting range?

 

[Hotwire]

In this debate over the AR-15...

This is nothing more than a civilian version on the M16 assault rifle. The only real difference is that the M16 could originally fire full auto, while the AR-15 could not. Since then, the M16 has lost it's full auto mode in favor of a 3 round burst. Now, here's the kicker. A simple Google search will lead you to results that will walk you through converting your AR-15 from single shot, to full auto!!

Personally, having spent a lot of time with the M16 from my days in the army, and knowing it was designed for combat, I can really not think of any good reason why a civilian would need something like it. Hunting? There are way better options out there than the AR-15. And, for home defense, you would be much better off with a pistol or shotgun due to the closed quarters.

 

[mrvlknight21]

In this debate over the AR-15...

This is nothing more than a civilian version on the M16 assault rifle. The only real difference is that the M16 could originally fire full auto, while the AR-15 could not. Since then, the M16 has lost it's full auto mode in favor of a 3 round burst. Now, here's the kicker. A simple Google search will lead you to results that will walk you through converting your AR-15 from single shot, to full auto!!

Personally, having spent a lot of time with the M16 from my days in the army, and knowing it was designed for combat, I can really not think of any good reason why a civilian would need something like it. Hunting? There are way better options out there than the AR-15. And, for home defense, you would be much better off with a pistol or shotgun due to the closed quarters.

I agree with most of this. I mentioned why someone might "choose" the Ar15 to hunt and other uses for it as well.

That said, I am armed 24/7(handgun).... partly for work and partly because my work and personal life have shown me how crazy and evil people can be and you never know when/where/how something could happen. Not saying that simply having a gun within reach will prevent a tragedy, but it may give me the opportunity to protect myself and/or others.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Someone on TDKR Facebook Page proposed the idea of Christian Bale dressed as Batman for visit all the kids ho have been injured during the event. To let them know that bad guys will not get away with it.

And that would be a terrible idea. Christian Bale showing up in costume would be totally insulting, not to mention patronizing to all involved. Besides, I'm sure the folks at DC and Warner Bros. camp want to distance their property as far as possible from the misery and insanity of this crime. The box office intake last weekend was already dented by the news; they don't want that trend to continue.

As for Holmes? I want to see this guy fried.

 

[mrvlknight21]

As (was) I, I used to be a member of the dutch Military Police and Immigration.

Why would you have the need for an AR15 as a civilian, other than the fact it makes you feel tough in the shooting range?

You keep using "you".....I assume at this point you mean why would a civilian have the need for an AR15?

I cant speak for anyone else really. But I have multiple civilain friends that own AR15s, among other firearms.

Some are simply gun collectors....they never even shoot them. I personally think that is a little strange, but I guess a person can collect what they choose. Heck I know a guy who has a dozen AR15s and a dozen AK47s....and thats just the beginning of his collection.

I have a friend that competes in 3 gun competitions several times a year. One of those guns is supposed to be a semi-auto rifle chambered in .223.

I have a few friends (as mentioned earlier) that hunt deer with their Ar15s (well, one of them has an Ar10, essentially the same rifle in a different caliber).

I have a friend that is ex-military that told me he wanted one because he carried it in Afghanistan and trained with it for years and just feels like he should own one.

I know a few people who truly think we will have a zombie apocalypse or hostile takeover and want the most firepower they can get.

And yes, I know a few guys who simply think they are cool and wanted one to show off at the range.

 

[danoyse]

And that would be a terrible idea. Christian Bale showing up in costume would be totally insulting, not to mention patronizing to all involved. Besides, I'm sure the folks at DC and Warner Bros. camp want to distance their property as far as possible from the misery and insanity of this crime. The box office intake last weekend was already dented by the news; they don't want that trend to continue.

As for Holmes? I want to see this guy fried.

I agree. I heard about that idea on Friday just after it happened, but I'm glad it really hasn't picked up any traction...it's a terrible idea. It's just really inappropriate.

The little girl who was killed is around the same age as Christian Bale's daughter, I'm sure knowing that isn't making any of this any easier from his own point of view.

 

[Hotwire]

You keep using "you".....I assume at this point you mean why would a civilian have the need for an AR15?

I cant speak for anyone else really. But I have multiple civilain friends that own AR15s, among other firearms.

Some are simply gun collectors....they never even shoot them. I personally think that is a little strange, but I guess a person can collect what they choose. Heck I know a guy who has a dozen AR15s and a dozen AK47s....and thats just the beginning of his collection.

I have a friend that competes in 3 gun competitions several times a year. One of those guns is supposed to be a semi-auto rifle chambered in .223.

I have a few friends (as mentioned earlier) that hunt deer with their Ar15s (well, one of them has an Ar10, essentially the same rifle in a different caliber).

I have a friend that is ex-military that told me he wanted one because he carried it in Afghanistan and trained with it for years and just feels like he should own one.

I know a few people who truly think we will have a zombie apocalypse or hostile takeover and want the most firepower they can get.

And yes, I know a few guys who simply think they are cool and wanted one to show off at the range.

Even with the reasons you've listed, I'm not seeing any of them as being real good justification for a civilian needing to own these. Especially with the ability to convert them to full auto.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I agree. I heard about that idea on Friday just after it happened, but I'm glad it really hasn't picked up any traction...it's a terrible idea. It's just really inappropriate.

The little girl who was killed is around the same age as Christian Bale's daughter, I'm sure knowing that isn't making any of this any easier from his own point of view.

Aye.

If I were in the shoes of the TDKR executives, I'd just steer clear of the whole thing. I thought it was classy of them to cancel their Paris premiere and other promotional plans. Undoubtedly they lost a lot of invested money by doing it, but it shows they have a deep respect for what is going on.

 

[mrvlknight21]

Even with the reasons you've listed, I'm not seeing any of them as being real good justification for a civilian needing to own these. Especially with the ability to convert them to full auto.

I understand.
Thats your opinion and apparently these people I listed have theirs as well.
Obviously, most of them are not "needed."


It seems everyone keeps bringing up the full auto conversion stuff. I read that Holmes (back on topic) didnt have his converted for full auto, but did have a large capacity magazine. Is that correct?

 

[Kelly]

Well, no questions anymore on the color of his hair....they are showing his first court appearance live right now....

 

[Spider-Man Luvr28]

Well, no questions anymore on the color of his hair....they are showing his first court appearance live right now....

Yup. Was just about to post this.

 

[Spider-Who?]

You bought an Ar15 for one reason, 'cause you thinks it's cool and it makes you feel badass.
Same reason a lot of minors start drinking and smoking. It's dumb and should be banned.

I'm glad (more) people like you don't run the government - can you imagine the world we'd live in if something "being dumb" was enough of a reason to ban or make laws against in general? Paging George Orwell...

Let me preface this post by saying that I have had a gun pointed at my head and know someone who was killed for being in the wrong place in the wrong time during a gang shoot out. I'm not some nut who lives in a bubble and ignores the reality of things. I've experienced what guns can do first hand. That being said...

Unlike you, I won’t make blanket statements about people’s reasons, but I can speak for my own. As an avid weapons collector, I enjoy the craftsmanship, historical context, and aesthetics of many weapons, be it guns, knives, swords, arrows, battle axes, etc. With that admiration for the thing itself comes great respect and acknowledgement for what these things were designed to do, which is to kill or maim. My appreciation and love of the hobby has nothing to do with “feeling like a bad ass” because that completely contradicts that respect. Weapons collection, like cars, coins, postage notes, etc, is a hobby that I don’t think should require a verifiable “need” to validate one’s right to enjoy that hobby. Yes, you can make the argument that coins and postage notes don’t kill, but that (while true) misses the point: honest collectors and hobbyists and those that respect the weapon and practice the 2nd amendment aren’t the ones running around killing people. It’s a sad and terrible thing that this stuff happens – no one would try and deny that – but it is something that has been happening since the dawn of time, and will continue to happen no matter what restrictions are put on society. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try and limit these terrible things, for instance, I am not against tightening gun laws, but there is a fine line between strengthening them and stepping on the toes of the Rights of the Individual. That isn’t what this country was founded on and the current state of the government infringes our our rights enough as it is.

Secondly, speaking on the availability on assault rifles in particular… I think what this hatred for civilian owning “assault” rifles is mostly physiological – the word “assault” has a far heavier connotation than “hunting”. The type of “assault rifle” that is available to the public is comparable to a hunting rifle – and even most hunting rifles have larger calibers, better accuracy, and longer range, so basically, hunting rifles are more deadly. So, in essence, what people are saying is, they want to ban one weapon, but not one that is deadlier, all because “KILLER USES ASSUALT RIFLE” is a much more dramatic headline than “KILLER USES HUNTING RIFLE”. Now THAT is TRUELY dumb.

 

[Kelly]

They are doing the video and audio feed through a cellphone in the courtroom.

 

[Marx]

...seeing how this jerk is acting in court is infuriating. He is either putting on an act or he's so doped up that he doesn't know who he is. You do not plan the worst mass shooting in US history for months and booby-trap your apartment to kill even more people while being insane. This man knows exactly what he is doing.

 

[Spider-Who?]

I understand.
Thats your opinion and apparently these people I listed have theirs as well.
Obviously, most of them are not "needed."


It seems everyone keeps bringing up the full auto conversion stuff. I read that Holmes (back on topic) didnt have his converted for full auto, but did have a large capacity magazine. Is that correct?

That is correct, he did not convert it. Which only drives my point about the connotation of the words "assualt rifle" even further home. People read that word and automatically imagine a gun shooting hundreds of rounds a second.

Another point, unless you have a Class 3 license, even having the COMPONENTS to turn a semi-autio weapon into full auto in the same house is HIGHLY illegal. And that Class 3 is EXTREMELY hard to get, and the cops quite literally own you for the duration of that license's existance.

 

[mongoose-mania]

I can only think that it's an act. Unless something horrible happened in his mind, and he did totally snap. But it has to be an act.